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[TheBlackBaron]

I don't know what you guys are going on about, this felt like it had more page-to-screen moments than the average episode (they both certainly make it quite obvious that Stannis is going North - that's why they disappear for half the damn book). The only thing I can quibble about is Gilly naming the kid at this point, which as we know is a big no for the wildlings.

I can't even imagine complaining about the timeline until their intentions with it become clearer next season. For all we know it's a way of incorporating more content from AFFC/ADWD than would otherwise be possible in adapting them into two seasons. Specifically it most likely means that the Lady Stoneheart reveal will come sometime in the middle of Season 4. And the only really major change to begin with is having Jaime be back in King's Landing already.

All that said, Dany's scene was underwhelming, honestly, which is a shame after the last two seasons ended their last scenes on such high notes (and cliffhangers).

EDIT: I'm also glad they had Bran tell the story of the Rat Cook, and that they worked it in exactly where they should have and took care to emphasize the breach of sacred hospitality aspect. That bodes well for the future. 

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 10 juin 2013 - 05:50 .

[GodWood]

Homebound wrote...
tried GoT. Didnt like it. sry. Its like watching softcore porn with a plot..I just dont..

Yanks are such prudes.

I'm not a fan of the unnecessary and contextually inappropriate titillation but there's hardly as much as people like to make out.

[chcknwng]

Addai67 wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

For most northern noble families, having a Stark in the north would legitimate them. Hence Stannis offering the name to Jon (who´s also Robb´s heir if that goes anywhere), Tyrion marrying Sansa, or fArya, or the Maderlays´ condition to help Stannis. What some people seem to miss is that the Starks inspired such loyalty on most subjects that they would indeed rise under one even if s/he appeared out of nowhere. After that, it´s all about defending  the North.

In a way it´s the status in Dune after the Emperor-Harkonnen coup. The North are the Fremen.

So why was it not enough that there might be a Targaryen heir who was a Stark, when Rhaegar and Lyanna ran off?  Forcing a girl to marry your heir while you're cutting down the cream of the Northern crop is not the way to win friends and influence people.  And, the North remembers.

First of all, whether they "ran off" or Rhaegar kidnapped Lyanna is stil not clear. also, when they ran off Lyanna was already promised to Robert, so the kid would not be legit.

No way the North is going to acknowledge Tyrion and Sansa's kid once the Manderlys tell them the story. But if they never learn that, Sansa's and Tyrion's kid would be the model prince if you consider the alternative, Ramsay's.

"There must always be a Stark in Winterfell."

Honestly I found Stark's story boring. To rule, you need ruthlessness, like the Lannisters, or at least the Tyrells. Honor has no business here. The old man lost his life on this, and the young one never learned.

DukeOfNukes wrote...

Just finished it...yeah...that was...disappointing.

Ygritte randomly catching John but where are the other Wildlings? Why not just have her shoot him last episode? Having Robb Stark dying and that being proof enough to Stannis that Melisandre's spell will work? The blatant "oh yeah, we're going north now"!?!? Sam making it back to Castle Black before John? WHERE WAS THE BLACK GATE? Jaime making it back to Kings Landing way too early? Why the **** isn't Asha Greyjoy (or Yara or whatever her name is in the show) at Deepwood Motte?

I almost thought they were going to jump the gun with Arya's story as well, and have her part end where the 3rd book ends. They also screwed up the scene with Dany. I mean, what were they doing, posing on the rock for a sculpture? And then she goes crowd surfing? For that matter, why were they outside the gates of the city that they had just conquered waiting for people to come to them?

Also, CASTLE BLACK DOESNT HAVE A MANNED GATE! Let alone a wall.

LOL. This is pretty much why I stopped watching the series. It's the world and events in the books that got me hooked, not the producer's version of it. I really don't care to waste my time watching them showing what they think happened.

Homebound wrote...

tried GoT. Didnt like it. sry. Its like watching softcore porn with a plot..I just dont..

Those are kinda necessary background info. In the books it's easy to put in perspectives and backgrounds but thinking is very difficult to present, let alone being understanded correctly.

[Mr.House]

Missed the episode, did they show the aftermath of the red wedding including Robbs body with Grey Winds head stitched to it or did they half ass it? Or worse ignore it...

[chcknwng]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

All that said, Dany's scene was underwhelming, honestly, which is a shame after the last two seasons ended their last scenes on such high notes (and cliffhangers).

EDIT: I'm also glad they had Bran tell the story of the Rat Cook, and that they worked it in exactly where they should have and took care to emphasize the breach of sacred hospitality aspect. That bodes well for the future. 

I lost interest in Dany's storyline after the House of Undying. For me that was the high point. Book 5 was an endless drag about a girl having a crush on a handsome man. 

I'm glad they included Rat Cook. For the reason you mentioned.

[RobRam10]

Mr.House wrote...

Missed the episode, did they show the aftermath of the red wedding including Robbs body with Grey Winds head stitched to it or did they half ass it? Or worse ignore it...

Yes they did show it. King in the north! King in the north! Poor Arya.

[chcknwng]

The Hierophant wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

*spoiler* was outplayed by Varys who's arguably, and currently the greatest spy master in Westeros. Mind you Vary's only effective method of attack against *spoiler* during the past 20 years was the latter's relationship with *spoiler*. Varys even had a hand in *spoiler's* predicament at the time, and subtlely goaded *spoiler* into killing *spoiler* It's amazing that it took Varys nearly 20+ years to get rid of *spoiler* since the former entered Aerys II's court.

Which is the pertinent point. Someone who is arbitrarily cruel doesn't survive and ascend to a position of power for long in Westeros. As Joffrey and Aerys II proved. 

Tywin is dangerous because he's as intelligent and almost as manipulative as Varys, has the political and social standing, financial power and military might to back it up. It's a nasty combination when one looks at how ruthless he can be. Saying he's cruel so he got what was coming to him, ignores the fact it took nearly 30 years, before he died.

Exactly. If Tywin's fall was soley due to his supposed cruelty he would have died by dagger, or poison a long time ago as drawing the ire of everyone around you is bad for one's health.

So far i have my doubts Petyr Baelish is capable of achieving, and surviving as long as Tywin did under Varys' gaze.

Tywin is totally different from Littlefinger. Not saying Tywin is not careful, but his death can be totally attributed to himself. Tyrion was a pressure cooker, Having a similar background to Varys, I would say LF would be more successful than Tywin. He had already out played Varys by starting the War of Five Kings, kidnapped Sansa right under Varys' nose, and are right now manipulating the whole East. Remember the East is the only part untouched by the war. Even the tyrells are in wars now.

I don't give a dime about Sansa. Seriously GRRM fails at writing full-fledged female character. I found both Sansa and Dany really boring. Arya can't be seen as a girl.

[DukeOfNukes]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

I don't know what you guys are going on about, this felt like it had more page-to-screen moments than the average episode (they both certainly make it quite obvious that Stannis is going North - that's why they disappear for half the damn book).

The scene in question happens on page 867, and he reappears on 1021, 10 chapters later. Considering it's 82 chapters long, it's hardly half the book...and several characters have already disappeared for longer. That said, it's not made obvious that they're headed north, or that Stannis even spared Davos. Personally, I didn't know what to make of it, and I think either that or Sam meeting Coldhands would have been the perfect cliffhanger to match what we've had the past 2 seasons.

It's not that the stuff that happened didn't happen in the books, it's that it was either done completely wrong or more stuff needed to happen before it should have happened. You wouldn't have killed Ned Stark before King Robert was dead.

Jaimie coming back when he did was important to his story, and his development as a character. Him having a happy homecoming is problematic for the further development of his character. It would be like changing Star Wars so that Greedo shoots first!

I'm willing to accept that maybe I'd appreciate it more if I hadn't read the book first, and I'm very interested to see what people who haven't, thought about the episode...but I honestly felt it was severely lacking, which is something I haven't felt about the season as a whole.

[Savber100]

It was a weak ending for a spectacular season.

I kinda wished they hinted more of the upcoming season rather than acting as a wrapup.

[Mr.House]

Wait, did it end with the purple wedding?

[LPPrince]

No Purple Wedding. Thats next season.

[Savber100]

Does anyone think that the Purple Wedding will be done as the big climatic point of the midseason similar to Dany's taking of Astapor with the Mountain v Red Viper as the penultimate episode?

It's hard to figure out what exactly they will do now that they're splitting the third book.

[Milan92]

The episode was interesting, not the best one in the season but not the worst one either.

Lol poor Edmure apperantly didn't got laid, and yay at Blackfish for escaping!

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

So Roose and Walder really should get their own sitcom. They solve all their problems via wedding feast murder and/or flaying.

I'd watch it.

[Nerevar-as]

wngmv wrote.

First of all, whether they "ran off" or Rhaegar kidnapped Lyanna is stil not clear. also, when they ran off Lyanna was already promised to Robert, so the kid would not be legit.

For all we know Rhaegar married Lyanna, Targaryens had no problem with poligamy (or incest for that matter (or both at the same time)). And Lyanna had no love for Robert, she wasn´t looking forward to having the biggest horns in the kingdom. I doubt things would have escalated to full war hadn´t Aerys been such a bastard.

[Mr.House]

I'm more concerned how they will tackle Feast of crows and Dance with dragons as both books are happening at the same time.

[Nerevar-as]

I guess they have a timeline. And here it will probably benefit the series having all characters at once instead of half a book of Cersei´s idiot balls and the rest of non-interesting characters.

[LTD]

Mr.House wrote...

I'm more concerned how they will tackle Feast of crows and Dance with dragons as both books are happening at the same time.

Do what GRRM most assuredly should have as well; turn it into one season. Old gods and the new know there is approx one fukload of completely useless flufffff in both of those books.  On the other hand, what imo is most tasty part in both Feast and Dance has much to do with sampling flavors of consequences and aftermath.. which is prolly difficult to turn into good TV. So yeahb scrap scrap scrap.

Somewhere around 185th page of Aeron Greyjoy...slowly...  walking towards some damp castle in order to get a horse so he can reutnr to okhdxsasa*  it's pretty easy to start wondering if GRRM has a publisher at all. I'm certainly not some well accustomed book critic with credentials from planet of awesome..but it's easy to identify  one heavily bloated corpse when you see one.

*And yes yes it is all about getting to know the Ironmen. STILL! That is very much not what readers are dying to..read about.

Modifié par LTD, 10 juin 2013 - 02:00 .

[LPPrince]

simfamSP wrote...

If the Mountain vs The Viper is not longer than five minutes I will be disappointed. I expect lots of shouting and awesome bear-hugs of death.

1. The Mountain must be played by Conan Stevens again

2. For now, lets settle with this

[DukeOfNukes]

simfamSP wrote...

Sam actually giving orders! I love his story arc, I swear Martin said "**** it, I'm writing my own Sam from LOTR."

Really? That's been an ongoing problem with the season for me...from the first scene of the first episode. I really like Sam in the books, but the tv series seems to be trying their hardest to undermine him. First he didn't send the crows (which, btw, would have been a great way to bring the end of the season in line with the beggining,) then he doesn't become Sam The Slayer, or at least not in a proper point for Mormont to "inspire" him, then we completely forget the peril of the mutineers, who promised to track him down in the show, skip over him meeting Cold Hands...all so we can have it end on a happy note.

They've also been screwing up John, by turning him from introspective, into a whiney little ****.

Stannis letting Davos live only by Mel's counsel. Did that happen in the books? I'm sure its left as a cliffhanger.

It is. The chapter ends with Stannis pannicing as he reads the letter under the light of Lightbringer pressed against the back of his neck.

Doesn't bother me as much as DukeofNukes, but yeah, there should be no gate, and I worry they're just going to retcon that decision later on.

I actually don't think they will, and will incorporate it into the siege. Which is actually what bugs me. It's an unneeded change, which drastically changes the dynamic of the upcoming siege.

[KingRoxas]

KOM_95 wrote...

SPOILERS DONT CLICK UNLESS YOU WANT TO BE TRAUMATISED OR HAVENT READ THE BOOKS
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God, that scene  (Have read the books). The music choice was perfect.

Modifié par Kingroxas, 10 juin 2013 - 02:56 .