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[Maria13]

Oh gods! A whole bag of goodness awaits this girly tonight...

[Maria13]

The sky cells were awesome...

The horse Hound v Mountain

Little Finger v Varys...

[TJPags]

Brockololly wrote...

I feel like they're almost getting ahead of themselves at times, like how they were showing Renly and Loras. And some of the mystery that you have in the books (like Varys and Illyrio talking in the books where it wasn't obvious who was talking since it was from Arya's POV or the constant foreshadowing with the dragon eggs) has all the subtlety of a sledgehammer to the face.

I mean, I was talking with one of my friends who hasn't read the book and he just nonchalantly called how Dany's story ends in GoT. I just wonder if some of the sort of "Oh ****!" moments you have in the books will still be there or whether the show will basically telegraph most of the big twists too early on.

Good episode though- the Mountain/Hound stuff is great, Arya is wonderful and I liked how they had more shots of the Red Keep from a distance and the Eyrie to give a better sense of scale to the world. I do miss the part where they have to get up to the Eyrie as I thought that sounded crazy in the book, especially if you're not a fan of heights.

Agree totally here.  It's really my only complaint with the series.  So much subtlety is lost in the way they're doing things.  I understand that film is a different medium than the written word, and alterations need to be made to accomodate that.  I'm also fine with them trying to "sex" things up, or turn the action meter up now and again.

But it seems they're taking too much mystery and too much suspense away.  I worry that the surprises, as you say, won't be there.

To those wondering whether to read the books now, or wait until the end of the season:  While it's a personal choice, of course, I'd suggest reading the books now, particularly if you have the time to finish Game of Thrones (Book 1 of the series) before the end of the season.  You may spoil the series, in a sense, but there's more suspense in the books, and you'll lose those "oh holy crap!!!" moments if you watch the series first.  I'd suggest reading Book 2 (Clash of Kings) as well, since they seem to be including at least some foreshadowing of that in this series.

Keep in mind, though, the series is not finished, and GRRM is notoriously slow in producing books.

[Addai]

This is an interesting article on the visual effects (via westeros.org).  There's a wee Dany spoiler at the end, if you haven't finished book one.

Originally the Eyrie was going to be based on the Zhiangiajie mountains in China, which is also where Avatar was based visually.



However they decided to use Meteora in Greece.

Modifié par Addai67, 17 mai 2011 - 12:37 .

[Brockololly]

So many cool little moments in the last episode, like how the Mountain just misses the Hound, who goes down on one knee at just the right time:


And Tyrion's "WTF?" face in the Eyrie is perfect:

Modifié par Brockololly, 17 mai 2011 - 02:02 .

[dreamextractor]

Jeez, people seriously didn't pick up on the fact that Renly and Loras were gay? Where is your reading comprehension people???

It's kind of disappointing the amount of homophobia that's going on in the fandom right now...not here, of course, but some of the main forums.

Modifié par dreamextractor, 17 mai 2011 - 02:56 .

[WeRtheBrox]

Just because you have bad gaydar doesn't mean you're homophobic.  Long ago, I was on the crew of a 70's tribute musical - one of the other female crew members had a crush on me and I had NO CLUE.  My ex-roommate (who also directed the show) told me after we'd wrapped and I felt like a big, flattered idiot.

[dreamextractor]

Um...no, the bad gaydar is NOT the homophobia that I speak of.

It's the reactions that I'm seeing on some sites to Renly and Loras being gay, and those that missed it in the books that are now reacting negatively to it that are disappointing me. Winteriscoming, for one.

[Addai]

dreamextractor wrote...

Jeez, people seriously didn't pick up on the fact that Renly and Loras were gay? Where is your reading comprehension people???

It's kind of disappointing the amount of homophobia that's going on in the fandom right now...not here, of course, but some of the main forums.

  I take it you're not trying to be insulting.

I did not pick up on it in the books, and I think my reading comprehension is about normal.  It is very subtle.  I only knew about it from reading the fan websites.

Modifié par Addai67, 17 mai 2011 - 05:08 .

[naughty99]

Addai67 wrote...

dreamextractor wrote...

Jeez, people seriously didn't pick up on the fact that Renly and Loras were gay? Where is your reading comprehension people???

It's kind of disappointing the amount of homophobia that's going on in the fandom right now...not here, of course, but some of the main forums.

  I take it you're not trying to be insulting.

I did not pick up on it in the books, and I think my reading comprehension is about normal.  It is very subtle.  I only knew about it from reading the fan websites.

Same here

[Catspaw]

naughty99 wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

dreamextractor wrote...

Jeez, people seriously didn't pick up on the fact that Renly and Loras were gay? Where is your reading comprehension people???

It's kind of disappointing the amount of homophobia that's going on in the fandom right now...not here, of course, but some of the main forums.

  I take it you're not trying to be insulting.

I did not pick up on it in the books, and I think my reading comprehension is about normal.  It is very subtle.  I only knew about it from reading the fan websites.

Same here

I'm insulted. Those comments were unnecessary.

[Maria13]

dreamextractor wrote...

Jeez, people seriously didn't pick up on the fact that Renly and Loras were gay? Where is your reading comprehension people???

It's kind of disappointing the amount of homophobia that's going on in the fandom right now...not here, of course, but some of the main forums.

I didn't pick it up either and IRL I think I have a pretty good gaydar... Perhaps the fact that you pick it up from hints in a novel means you are used to stereotypical portrayals of gay people... Just a thought.

[Maria13]

Brockololly wrote...


And Tyrion's "WTF?" face in the Eyrie is perfect:

Yes, that was great, the way he slightly rolled his eyes and then Catelyn very slightly rolled her eyes back at him...

[LTD]

dreamextractor wrote...

Jeez, people seriously didn't pick up on the fact that Renly and Loras were gay? Where is your reading comprehension people???

It's kind of disappointing the amount of homophobia that's going on in the fandom right now...not here, of course, but some of the main forums.

Three stags says you had no idea about  Loras and only got snob about "totally getting it all along geez lul" after some combination of Westeros.org visits and last Sunday's episode:D

Following prolly contains Spoilers about seasons 2/3 for those who haven't read the books.


People finding slurrrpeeee effect-enrichened  blowjobs between Renly and Loras a slight turnoff often doesn't have much to do with Homophobia. What bothers is the amount of exclamation marks and underlining present. GRRM chose to be so subtle about this particular (Westeros-)taboo that it even opened window for this here  "I got it all along im so amazing:D" tripping. I'm sure you agree it is rewarding to be able to pick stuff up by yourself and go " aaaaaaaaaaa!..."
HBO doesn't offer the audience a slightest change for this, but rather deepthroats the glistening, stiffened fact in without any foreplay or  preparation It is very easu to understand it causes some gagging at first.

A far more significant pain in the  ass this brings has to do with TVRenly's apparent weakness and meekness. In books he was never presented as a guy who could be easily controlled and steered about with blowjobs. I remember a vain, extremely stong willed guy ever so sure of himself doing stupid decision after another.  It is all too easy to imagine Clash of Kings feat.TVRenly being a setting where Loras' blowjobs steer this weak, confused and insecure buffoon about. Martin's Renly makes a much more clashable king,I liked him so much better:l  Er, I didn't like him in - that- way tho. Not that there is anything wrong with it... Yeah. No. I'm not gay. Really I'm not. Nope.
 
P.S Seriously I'm not tho


...Other than that, Sunday's eppy was SO awesome<3 I'm glad they finally slowed the phase time flows.

Modifié par LTD, 17 mai 2011 - 01:06 .

[Maria13]

Hmmm on the Renly Loras thing through the books we have no idea what they might get up to in private and it is highly likely that since Ren's dead, we never will unless we get a Loras POV chapter that dwells on exactly that.

Having said that GRR is a producer on the series and one would have imagined that at least they would have run the essence of the scene by him for a yay or nay...

And again, we can't say whether it was like that or not, L top, R bottom, just from their public personas... IRL quite often people in positions of power behave somewhat differently in the bedchamber. I would say it was not beyond the bounds of possibility. Or perhaps a little roleplay was involved, "Me timid heir, you big brave chunky knight..." Who knows? Each to their own, I say.

Modifié par Maria13, 17 mai 2011 - 01:28 .

[dreamextractor]

"Loras can't be gay, he's a warrior."
"Maybe not everyone is as quick to pick up on all the “subtle” gay comments because we are NOT GAY. and we choose to invision characters more similar to oursleves. Loras is the most badass knight in the kingdoms and they jsut showed him shaving another man’s chest like no big deal…." (> implying that only gay people can identify with gay characters)
"They should have never made Renly and Loras gay, wtf that's disgusting!"
"Disappointed with last episode! Whose idea was it to make 2 perfectly straight characters from the book into raving homosexuals on the show?"

These comments, and more like those, are the ones that are homophobic. Nothing about being turned off from the scene or bad gaydar. The hints were subtle but they were there, and I picked up on them fine. I read the book before the shows release, they were two of my favorite characters.

"Margaery is still a maid."
"In your bed she's like to die that way."

“Loras is valiant and handsome and we all love him dearly...but your Imp will make a better husband.”

“Now sheathe your bloody sword, or I’ll take it from you and shove it up some place even Renly never found.”

Some of the comments could be taken as trolling (Stannis' comment, but I think the last two should have definitely raised some eyebrows. There's more subtext though. Nothing to do with stereotyping them.

Apologies to those that I offended.

I am not trying to boast about "having got it", as you seem to be implying. That wasn't my intention. I am annoyed with the people that didn't pick up that the two were gay, and are now reacting negatively to it in a homophobic way.

Modifié par dreamextractor, 17 mai 2011 - 04:34 .

[Catspaw]

[quote]dreamextractor wrote...

Jeez, people seriously didn't pick up on the fact that Renly and Loras were gay? Where is your reading comprehension people???


This comment was offensive.

There was no reason to be degrading. You picked it up on the first read. Bravo for you. Perhaps there were other details you missed, yet others noticed. Would you like it if someone talked down to you for it?

edit - I saw your mea culpa after I typed my response. Apology accepted.

Their sexual orientation wasn't important to me in terms of the story, just an interesting detail. I thought the scene in the film would have been better in Season 2. My chief complaint was that Renly was portrayed as wimpy and weak and I didn't read him that way in the books.

Modifié par Catspaw, 17 mai 2011 - 04:16 .

[dreamextractor]

Again, sorry to those that I offended.

True about Renly. Both Renly and Loras were pretty capable and strong figures in the book, kind of annoyed with how they're portraying Renly. I agree that it might have been a better surprise saved for a later episode after we've gotten to know them, though I guess now is as good a time as any.

Modifié par dreamextractor, 17 mai 2011 - 04:39 .

[Addai]

For me it was one of those things where when I saw commentary and that GRRM had confirmed they were a couple, I thought "oh right, that makes sense." But at the time I read the novels, the fact that Renly wasn't into Margaery or that Loras was distraught when... y'know... or that Stannis was an ass didn't strike me as out of the ordinary or to be flashing arrows. Maybe they should have been, but I wasn't that interested in Renly or Loras as characters so wasn't paying attention, I guess. Too worried about Jon and Tyrion and Arya.

[Catspaw]

I'm looking forward to seeing it again on Wednesday. My satellite provider doesn't air it until then. My first viewing is on the computer and it doesn't look as good. I'm interested if an Arabic satellite company is actually going to air that most heavily commented scene. The creepy scene with Lysa will probably be even creepier on a big screen, too.

I don't mind that Loras seems to be the one putting ideas in Renly's head about ruling, but again, I wish it had happened in a later episode.

Book Spoiler Alert:






They really shouldn't be discussing this takeover until Robert is dead and Nedd spills the beans on Cersei's children and their true parentage. The series seems to be taking the idea that everybody knows the children aren't Robert's, except Robert. Yet, Nedd hasn't even completely figured it out yet.

[Addai]

I think it's ok to be discussing the game of thrones already. It underscores Robert's dialogue about how unstable his reign is. That was a good convo (him and Cersei), BTW. I guess they are trying to give Cersei some redeeming qualities by saying she was into Robert at first.

What I keep scanning for are clues as to what GRRM thinks is important for the books yet to come. It might be wishful thinking, but it seems to me he's telegraphing Jon's parentage... also wonder why they had Ser Jorah talk about the grass overtaking the world.

[Maria13]

And Theon has been given a much greater role in the series thus far than in GoT so I guess he's clearly going to be one of next season's baddies...

[Addai]

Ratings are out- good news- they continue to climb.  Ep 5 was a season high with 2.6 million viewers.  After this week's, I bet next week's will climb again even with the NBA playoffs in the US.  The commentary at the link says:

Intensely serialized shows like Thrones rarely climb like this, and when they do they tend to become major players.

Theon is definitely being brought center stage for his star turn.  Next week's episode is "A Golden Crown."  Methinks that Viserys is on deck for this one... 

[LTD]

Addai67 wrote...

Ratings are out- good news- they continue to climb.  Ep 5 was a season high with 2.6 million viewers.  After this week's, I bet next week's will climb again even with the NBA playoffs in the US.  The commentary at the link says:

Intensely serialized shows like Thrones rarely climb like this, and when they do they tend to become major players.

Theon is definitely being brought center stage for his star turn.  Next week's episode is "A Golden Crown."  Methinks that Viserys is on deck for this one... 

Wooo! That IS great. And mildly surprising, I wouldn't have guessed large® crowds find this so appealing. 3-4 episodes of setting the game board up couldn't be easy to digest for someone who hasn't read the books. I haven't been this proud of masses since they went and bought  Radiohead's Kid A:p Go masses!

I overheard somebody saying HBO will release Episode 7 one week in advance via their site. Does this mean there would otherwise be a no-show week a-coming or are we getting 2 episodes in one week?Or did my ears betray me?

I'm wagering Golden Crown will have sufficient quantities of not only Viserys but Rob as well. I would have liked to see lord of Winterfell a little more by now.

Modifié par LTD, 17 mai 2011 - 07:39 .

[Addai]

Ep 6 will air as usual next week, and right afterward ep 7 will also be available on HBO GO. I think they're trying to promote that since it's a new feature. Ep 7 will air on the normal HBO the following Sunday, as usual.

Modifié par Addai67, 17 mai 2011 - 08:11 .