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[TobiTobsen]

LPPrince wrote...

1. The Mountain must be played by Conan Stevens again

Aye. Whoever played Gregor in the second season simply lacked Conans girth.

He didn't looked like the Mountain That Rides... more like the tall, lanky dude that rides.

[LTD]

^^ That is actually a very good photoshop, not the real deal from latest eppy.
...That or some outtake. Terrible pic and terrible scene, in very good way.

[KingRoxas]

LTD wrote...

^^ That is actually a very good photoshop, not the real deal from latest eppy.
...That or some outtake. Terrible pic and terrible scene, in very good way.

indeed.

[Degs29]

simfamSP wrote...
Davos and Mel on either side with Stannis in the middle. Symbolism = awesome in that regard.

Reminds me of Catelyn and Maester Luwin over Ned's shoulders back in season 1 when he was deciding whether or not to be Hand. 

I agree with most of what you said.  I actually liked that Arya finally got her first "kill".  It was overdue, considering she killed the Harrenhall guard in the second book, rather than having Jaqen do it like in the show.

I DO have issues with this episode though.  There are too many deviations from the books for my liking.  I don't mind that Yara (Asha) is going questing for Theon's life.  To be honest, it makes his story more interesting (and existent).  But why the hell would they have Jaime arrive already?  The books had perfect timing for this, so I feel they're being premature for apparently no reason (maybe we'll find out). 

And where the hell is Coldhands?

[LPPrince]

TobiTobsen wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

1. The Mountain must be played by Conan Stevens again

Aye. Whoever played Gregor in the second season simply lacked Conans girth.

He didn't looked like the Mountain That Rides... more like the tall, lanky dude that rides.

Conan couldn't do it in Season 2, and The Mountain wasn't necessary in Season 3.

But The Mountain will be VITAL in Season 4, so hopefully Conan Stevens will be free.

[LPPrince]

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[MisterJB]

Right now, I'm frigthened they don't intend to show the idiocy of Daenerys attempting to change the entire socio-economic structure of a continent from night to day because they need someone to be the clear cut "hero".
If they don't explain how Astapor became an hellhole after she left...

Oh and thank you Tywin for giving me the perfect answer to all this barrage of "The North Remembers".

Modifié par MisterJB, 10 juin 2013 - 04:21 .

[Cainhurst Crow]

MisterJB wrote...

Right now, I'm frigthened they don't intend to show the idiocy of Daenerys attempting to change the entire socio-economic structure of a continent from night to day because they need someone to be the clear cut "hero".
If they don't explain how Astapor became an hellhole after she left...

Oh and thank you Tywin for giving me the perfect answer to all this barrage of "The North Remembers".

I bet next season we'll get an entire scene showing the destruction that daenerys has caused and it's aftermath.

[chcknwng]

LTD wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

I'm more concerned how they will tackle Feast of crows and Dance with dragons as both books are happening at the same time.

Do what GRRM most assuredly should have as well; turn it into one season. Old gods and the new know there is approx one fukload of completely useless flufffff in both of those books.  On the other hand, what imo is most tasty part in both Feast and Dance has much to do with sampling flavors of consequences and aftermath.. which is prolly difficult to turn into good TV. So yeahb scrap scrap scrap.

Somewhere around 185th page of Aeron Greyjoy...slowly...  walking towards some damp castle in order to get a horse so he can reutnr to okhdxsasa*  it's pretty easy to start wondering if GRRM has a publisher at all. I'm certainly not some well accustomed book critic with credentials from planet of awesome..but it's easy to identify  one heavily bloated corpse when you see one.

*And yes yes it is all about getting to know the Ironmen. STILL! That is very much not what readers are dying to..read about.

Who's particularly fond of reading The Beauty's inner thought or watching Tyrion pondering where ****s go. raies your hand.

DukeOfNukes wrote...

They've also been screwing up John, by turning him from introspective, into a whiney little ****.

First season of the series has successfully changed Jon from one of my favorite character in the books, to my least favorite. 

simfamSP wrote...
Forgive me, it's been a year since I've read them. But what significance did Sam's meeting with Cold Hands have later on? I still think it happened, but it will be mentioned by Coldhands himself or by Sam in a flashback.

Coldhands was a guide to Bran when they party went looking for the Three Eyed Crow beyond the wall. Or I guess that's the significance.

Also if Sam didn't meet CH, how did he know how to let Bran to the north of the wall using the secret passage? Or would he even knew that Bran was alive?

Forgive me but is the purple wedding the one where someone wore a purple hairpin to?

Modifié par wngmv, 10 juin 2013 - 05:38 .

[chcknwng]

MisterJB wrote...

Right now, I'm frigthened they don't intend to show the idiocy of Daenerys attempting to change the entire socio-economic structure of a continent from night to day because they need someone to be the clear cut "hero".
If they don't explain how Astapor became an hellhole after she left...

Oh and thank you Tywin for giving me the perfect answer to all this barrage of "The North Remembers".

If they don't show that there's no way to explain why she was staying in Salver's Bay for as long as she did. Since half the characters are converging there I guess they kinda have to.

[KOM_95]

I have a question
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Modifié par KOM_95, 10 juin 2013 - 06:19 .

[CronoDragoon]

wngmv wrote...


They've also been screwing up John, by turning him from introspective, into a whiney little ****.

That is not the impression I've gotten from the show. He's not as good as book Jon but he's done very little whining, or at least not much more whining than book Jon.

[chcknwng]

CronoDragoon wrote...

wngmv wrote...


They've also been screwing up John, by turning him from introspective, into a whiney little ****.

That is not the impression I've gotten from the show. He's not as good as book Jon but he's done very little whining, or at least not much more whining than book Jon.

For me he's not whining literally, but the whole bitter attitude, and the self-pity I saw from the character is just too much. Jon is way past that.

[CronoDragoon]

wngmv wrote...

For me he's not whining literally, but the whole bitter attitude, and the self-pity I saw from the character is just too much. Jon is way past that.

Jon is extremely bitter in aDwD. As for self-pity, I haven't watched last night's episode but what moments stand out for you?

[legion999]

^He's bitter? When?

[CronoDragoon]

legion999 wrote...

^He's bitter? When?

Are you responding to me about aDwD? I don't want to talk spoilery specifics, but whenever he is pondering the difficulty of his current situation trying to reconcile the groups that exist at the Wall he is bitter about it. That's why Ygritte's saying keeps popping up again and again in his head. What else would you call it?

[legion999]

^Maybe it's just me, but bitter doesn't really describe what he's feeling. Conflicted maybe? But I'll say no more. This thread is dark and full of spoilers, as it is.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

I'm just waiting for some purple wedding goodness.

Gonna be a long wait.

[The Hierophant]

wngmv wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

*spoiler* was outplayed by Varys who's arguably, and currently the greatest spy master in Westeros. Mind you Vary's only effective method of attack against *spoiler* during the past 20 years was the latter's relationship with *spoiler*. Varys even had a hand in *spoiler's* predicament at the time, and subtlely goaded *spoiler* into killing *spoiler* It's amazing that it took Varys nearly 20+ years to get rid of *spoiler* since the former entered Aerys II's court.

Which is the pertinent point. Someone who is arbitrarily cruel doesn't survive and ascend to a position of power for long in Westeros. As Joffrey and Aerys II proved. 

Tywin is dangerous because he's as intelligent and almost as manipulative as Varys, has the political and social standing, financial power and military might to back it up. It's a nasty combination when one looks at how ruthless he can be. Saying he's cruel so he got what was coming to him, ignores the fact it took nearly 30 years, before he died.

Exactly. If Tywin's fall was soley due to his supposed cruelty he would have died by dagger, or poison a long time ago as drawing the ire of everyone around you is bad for one's health.

So far i have my doubts Petyr Baelish is capable of achieving, and surviving as long as Tywin did under Varys' gaze.

Tywin is totally different from Littlefinger. Not saying Tywin is not careful, but his death can be totally attributed to himself. Tyrion was a pressure cooker, Having a similar background to Varys, I would say LF would be more successful than Tywin. He had already out played Varys by starting the War of Five Kings, kidnapped Sansa right under Varys' nose, and are right now manipulating the whole East. Remember the East is the only part untouched by the war. Even the tyrells are in wars now.

I don't give a dime about Sansa. Seriously GRRM fails at writing full-fledged female character. I found both Sansa and Dany really boring. Arya can't be seen as a girl.

True about LF being the catalyst for the WotFK, but i think Varys actually benefits more from the conflict as a destabilized Westeros is vunerable to conquest by Aegon or Daenerys. With Tywin, and Kevan out of the way Varys is free to concentrate all his efforts on destabilizing any house he believes is a threat to Aegon's or Dany's future rule.

With Tywin gone it's anyone's game between Varys and Baelish, but i have a suspicion about Baelish's interactions with Sansa as it opens up the potential for her to backstab him for x15 critical damage.:innocent:

[Addai]

MisterJB wrote...
Oh and thank you Tywin for giving me the perfect answer to all this barrage of "The North Remembers".

A load of BS justifications.

But no matter, Ty Ty.  You just keep on keepin on with those rays of sunshine. 

Modifié par Addai67, 11 juin 2013 - 03:16 .

[Addai]

wngmv wrote...

First of all, whether they "ran off" or Rhaegar kidnapped Lyanna is stil not clear. also, when they ran off Lyanna was already promised to Robert, so the kid would not be legit.

Yes, I know this, and the kid would be legit if Aerys the Mad King's son claimed it and Lyanna told the truth about leaving with Rhaegar.

Honestly I found Stark's story boring. To rule, you need ruthlessness, like the Lannisters, or at least the Tyrells. Honor has no business here. The old man lost his life on this, and the young one never learned.

Honor matters, too, but stupid inflexible principle is more the downfall of Ned and Robb.  The Starks inspire loyalty and that got them a long way, but they didn't know when to play the dirty game.

Also, watch it with the spoilers.  People really need to show some consideration to the TV viewers who haven't read the books.

[PB06]

The Hierophant wrote...
True about LF being the catalyst for the WotFK, but i think Varys actually benefits more from the conflict as a destabilized Westeros is vunerable to conquest by Aegon or Daenerys. With Tywin, and Kevan out of the way Varys is free to concentrate all his efforts on destabilizing any house he believes is a threat to Aegon's or Dany's future rule.

With Tywin gone it's anyone's game between Varys and Baelish, but i have a suspicion about Baelish's interactions with Sansa as it opens up the potential for her to backstab him for x15 critical damage.[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/angel.png[/smilie]

If you remember in GoT, Varys and Lord Cheesemonger were arguing "The Realm is not ready for that." Cheesemonger and Varys didn't want the WotFK to happen that fast, but LF was able to make that happen anyway. :innocent:

I really don't care what LF did to the Starks, For me the Starks are so boring and "honorable", so cliche, doesn't matter how they turn out. Sansa is the prime example anyway.

[chunkyman]

Hehehe, made me laugh.

[PB06]

Addai67 wrote...
Yes, I know this, and the kid would be legit if Aerys the Mad King's son claimed it and Lyanna told the truth about leaving with Rhaegar.

No the kid wouldn't be legit. Unless Rhaegar divorced Elia, and Lyanna broke up with Robert and they two marry, the kid would be a Bastard. Westeros had learned their lesson in the Blackfyre uprising. 

Addai67 wrote...
Honor matters, too, but stupid inflexible principle is more the downfall of Ned and Robb.  The Starks inspire loyalty and that got them a long way, but they didn't know when to play the dirty game.

Also, watch it with the spoilers.  People really need to show some consideration to the TV viewers who haven't read the books.

I think you put it much better than I ever could. But I found the Stark a little typical of your good guy type. I enjoyed the full fledged characters in the books too miuch, so that after book 3 I no longer have a thing for them. 

Being a girl more like Arya, I don't like girls of Sansa's type in real life. I guess that is part of the reason I dispise Sansa. 

About spoilers, I personally hate being spoiled. But I can't get the color function to work right, nor could I see how other people did it by quote and check the BBC code. I apologize. 

[CronoDragoon]

Addai67 wrote...
Honor matters, too, but stupid inflexible principle is more the downfall of Ned and Robb.  The Starks inspire loyalty and that got them a long way, but they didn't know when to play the dirty game.

I think the downfall of Robb was 1/2 bad luck, 1/2 bad decisions. He was inflexible when he needed to be flexible and selfish when he needed to do what was right for his side in the war. Not helping matters were Cat letting Jaime go and Stannis giftwrapping the Tyrells for the Lannisters.