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Addai67 wrote...

Drake Sigar wrote...

I really didn’t understand why five minutes was wasted on this sequence between Renly and Loras. The first book doesn’t have their perspectives at all. Perhaps they feature in the second book and this is a head start on their character development? Or the show’s creators are hammering out an entirely new sub-plot even though they’ll be struggling to fit in the essentials as it is? Or it’s just a completely pointless one-off scene? No, that can’t be right.

It's not a waste.  Before the end of book one, Renly becomes a major player, so this is setup for events soon to come in season one.  Same for Theon Greyjoy.

Neither Renly or Loras are ever POV characters in the books, which I suppose is also why their relationship is only hinted at.  The only ones we might hear about it from are the POV characters and from their perspective, a nobleman would need to marry and produce heirs regardless, so it doesn't matter who he's fellating on the side.

Indeed, it was foreshadowing - needless, IMO - for events that occur later in the book, and more prominently in Book 2.

Re: Ned and Jaime - as noted, they are about the same age, Ned being a few years older.  Ned and Robert are the same age, and Jaime and Cersei are twins.  Ned is, I would think, at most 6-7 years older, and in his mid-late 30's, at worst.

Also, Ned fought most recently during the Greyjoy rebellion (which I don't think has been mentioned much in the show so far) which was 9 years earlier.  Jaime fought then as well, as he mentioned to Jory during a scene in Ep. 2 or 3.

[Addai]

Shirosaki17 wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Who is that?

Prince Charming from Shrek 2. I can't believe you haven't seen Shrek 2. Unforgivable.

Guilty as charged. 

[Gvaz]

I'm still stuck in A Clash of Kings on the audiobook. It's moving so slowly. Can't wait for next sunday, two episodes!

[TMZuk]

It's a great show so far. My only complaint is that acting is a bit wooden, especially in the first three episodes. Perhaps the actors needed to "find" the characters they portray, at least in episode four and five they all seem a bit more natural.

IMO, Rome is still HBO's best show ever, but this is a very, very good as well. This is how fantasy should be. )

Modifié par TMZuk, 20 mai 2011 - 06:25 .

[Addai]

Rome was indeed a great show. I have a ceremonial little rage every once in awhile about it being cancelled. But if we get James Purefoy and Kevin McKidd into the GoT cast, it'll be like old times!

[HoonDing]

Were they planning on showing Augustus' reign? I don't know whether that'd be any exciting, really... the only noteworthy event of his reign is him banishing his wife and daughter.

[TMZuk]

Rome wasn't really cancelled.

The purpose of the show was to show the final transformation of the Republic into the Empire. After a hundred years of bloody civil wars, the Romans were sick of war. They wanted peace and prosperity, and Octavian Augustus Caesar gave them that.

To move on to Augustus' reign would have been stretching it; who wants to see sixty years of peace and prosperity? Aside from the disaster in Teutoburgerwald, nothing bad happens, and Bad Things is what make great shows.

They could pick up at his death, but that could mean a whole new cast, and it has already been done: I, Claudius.

That aside, I would love James Purefoy, Kevin McKidd, and also Ray Stevenson and Polly Walker to appear in GoT. Especially Polly Walker!

Modifié par TMZuk, 20 mai 2011 - 06:31 .

[Addai]

I thought of Polly Walker for Melisandre, but she'd be too old I think.

Rome was about the two friends' relationship- and that was such a unique and great dynamic.

[LTD]

TMZuk wrote...

Rome wasn't really cancelled.

The purpose of the show was to show the final transformation of the Republic into the Empire.

Mmm, I recall reading they planned for - at least - three seasons and more if gods be good. Plan was to look into birth of Christianity, among other things. Would have helped covering story of Augustus with little smaller degree of haste I'm sure. I remember season two being a bit too OohlookslikeI'llbeEmperortimetodieMarkAntonytheend! for it's own good.

Modifié par LTD, 21 mai 2011 - 04:49 .

[Addai]

LTD wrote...

Mmm, I recall reading they planned for - at least - three seasons and more if gods be good. Plan was to look into birth of Christianity, among other things. Would have helped covering story of Augustus with little smaller degree of haste I'm sure. I remember season two being a bit too OohlookslikeI'llbeEmperortimetodieMarkAntonytheend! for it's own good.

Did they know they were getting canned?  That's usually what happens when the beancounters pull the plug.

[Catspaw]

Addai67 wrote...

LTD wrote...

Mmm, I recall reading they planned for - at least - three seasons and more if gods be good. Plan was to look into birth of Christianity, among other things. Would have helped covering story of Augustus with little smaller degree of haste I'm sure. I remember season two being a bit too OohlookslikeI'llbeEmperortimetodieMarkAntonytheend! for it's own good.

Did they know they were getting canned?  That's usually what happens when the beancounters pull the plug.

According to wikipedia, HBO was working in conjunction with BBC on Rome. When the BBC pulled out due to budgetary constraints, HBO decided to cancel the show. There was a quote from one of the writers saying they were a couple of episodes into the second season and then had to fast forward writing to wrap up the time line in a few episodes. That's why the second half of the second season seems so strange. So, yes, the bean counters got them. Apparently it had nothing to do with ratings.

[Addai]

I thought that's what I remembered hearing, that BBC was the culprit. At least this time around they are producing it on their own, so maybe have better control over such things. They partner with Sky but only for distribution, I believe. The sets are gorgeous, but also seem more economical than Rome's, where they built whole districts. They're using Maltese locations without remaking them completely- which is why some people were disappointed at King's Landing.

[Catspaw]

Orbit in Bahrain has also bought rights to the series along with Sky (that's why I don't get it until Wednesday). HBO still has full control over the production. Sky, Orbit and whatever other network only pay to air it. I hope you're right and that helps keep the show going.

[Brockololly]

Yeah, I remember about Rome getting cancelled. As I recall it was just too expensive like its been said, and they had to condense the events of the second season.

Thats the worrying thing with bigger budget HBO shows- they rarely seem to last more than maybe 2-3 seasons. Rome was expensive and lasted 2 seasons, Deadwood was pricey and lasted 3- those 2 stick in my mind. Their other big budget things are most often mini series like Band of Brothers or The Pacific or John Adams, where they don't need to worry about multiple seasons.

It'll be interesting to see how the show keeps doing as if anything it would seem they'll need even bigger budgets possibly if the show keeps going through the seasons.

[Seagloom]

What do you all think would be a good ending point for the series? I was discussing this with a friend the other day, and we both agreed a total conversion was unlikely. Personally, I cannot see GoT lasting five seasons without its ratings breaking records.

[Nerevar-as]

There´s no good ending point, I´m afraid. Little closure to anything or anyone save dead characters. And it´ll be at least 7 seasons, as ASoS will need 2 seasons or an extended one.

[TJPags]

There's really no good ending point for the series as of aFfC (A Feast for Crows). I agree that SoS may well need more than 1 season. However, there are indications season 1 may include some parts of CoK, so if that holds, Season 2 may have some SoS material, which could end in early season 4. After all, FfC is not exactly chocked full of action.

However, action wise, the series certainly picks up from this point on - and CoK and SoS have a lot of exciting parts. So hopefully, that can help hold and improve ratings.

That said, I hate to be "that guy" and bring this up, but I really think the biggest problem this series will have as far as completion goes is GRRM himself. I'm frankly not optimistic he can conclude this series in 2 more books (after DwD), and I really have no confidence at all that those books will be published in time for the series to be shot.

[DragonRageGT]

Loved Rome, have all eps here and rewatch now and then. Love GoT but can hardly watch... maybe 10-15 mins at a time, when I'm eating, on the intervals of TW2 sessions! Woot! =)

[Nerevar-as]

TJPags wrote...

That said, I hate to be "that guy" and bring this up, but I really think the biggest problem this series will have as far as completion goes is GRRM himself. I'm frankly not optimistic he can conclude this series in 2 more books (after DwD), and I really have no confidence at all that those books will be published in time for the series to be shot.

DwD will say. AFoC felt a bit as when Jordan lost control in Wheel of Time, but FoC lacked most main characters (if Jon, Tyrion, and Dany can be called that). If DwD feels like FoC then we´re into trouble.

[Seagloom]

Other than budgetary concerns, GRRM will probably be the greatest barrier to the program finishing its run properly. Not that I am not optimistic GoT will reach ADwD. My friend suggested SoS as an ending point to the show, and I am inclined to agree if only because some closure is better than none. If need be the showrunners could plan a deviation from the books to end it there satisfactorily or at some later point.

I would love GoT to last 7+ seasons, but only HBO's most successful programs to date have lasted so long. None of those were shot on location and cost a small fortune either. Yes, pessimistic I realize.

Modifié par Seagloom, 21 mai 2011 - 10:12 .

[Nerevar-as]

Seagloom wrote...

Other than budgetary concerns, GRRM will probably be the greatest barrier to the program finishing its run properly. Not that I am not optimistic GoT will reach ADwD. My friend suggested SoS as an ending point to the show, and I am inclined to agree if only because some closure is better than none. If need be the showrunners could plan a deviation from the books to end it there satisfactorily or at some later point.

I would love GoT to last 7+ seasons, but only HBO's most successful programs to date have lasted so long. None of those were shot on location and cost a small fortune either. Yes, pessimistic I realize.

Considering SoS endings, that would just start a campaign to get the series back.

[TJPags]

Nerevar-as wrote...

TJPags wrote...

That said, I hate to be "that guy" and bring this up, but I really think the biggest problem this series will have as far as completion goes is GRRM himself. I'm frankly not optimistic he can conclude this series in 2 more books (after DwD), and I really have no confidence at all that those books will be published in time for the series to be shot.

DwD will say. AFoC felt a bit as when Jordan lost control in Wheel of Time, but FoC lacked most main characters (if Jon, Tyrion, and Dany can be called that). If DwD feels like FoC then we´re into trouble.

Those characters were actually intentionally left out.

As the story goes, the manuscript for FFC grew too long, and needed to be cut into two books.  GRRM decided to split certain characters out of FFC to conclude the story arcs for other characters in that book.  DWD should be heavy on Jon, Tyrion, and Dany as a result.

Of course, that was all 5-6 years ago or so, and as I understand, he has all but rewritten what he originally had written for DWD, so who knows what we'll get.  Might be the other half of the book, might be something else entirely.

Note - from what I understand, DWD's manuscript is so large it can barely be printed in one volume as it is.

[Seagloom]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Considering SoS endings, that would just start a campaign to get the series back.

I don't disagree. Trouble is continuing on to AFfC would leave viewers in limbo too. It's a lesser of two evils situation as I see it. Whatever happens, I foresee disappointment in our collective futures. Guess I'll have to dry my tears with ADwD this summer.

[Addai]

GRRM said that Jon would be one of the characters who "benefitted most" from him ending Feast of Crows as he did, so I think we will see a lot of him in A Dance with Dragons. And as for Daenerys, well.... given the title...

I'm curious to see a scene he's referred to with Tyrion. He said he took it out and put it back in dozens of times, made it a dream sequence at one point, then scrapped that.  Whatever could it be?!

I imagine he just reached a saturation point where he needed to put the series aside. It's possible that he's got his groove back and will get some motivation from the reception of the HBO series.

Modifié par Addai67, 21 mai 2011 - 10:44 .

[dreamextractor]

A CROWN FOR A KING.