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[Master Warder Z_]

Sure Tywin was a brilliant political tactician but a deeply cruel man also, I shed no tears when I found out his fate. Plus working with those gross Frey's to help practically wipe out my favourite house didn't help endear me to him either. Tyrion lived his whole life being treated like sh*t by his family and his only crime was being born a dwarf, and despite everything people have thrown at him he still has a brilliant and positive outlook on life. He saved them against Stannis at the Blackwater and he gets no thanks for it. I love that dwarf.

 

Cruel? He didn't do much to overtly taunt any one, he refused his "son" something he had no right to. The Starks were rebelling Idiots, Nedd, Robb, The guy who repeats " I don't know" every other breath, Brann...They really just had it coming, If we are lucky Martin will kill them all. And oh yes, he was treated so horribly, he lived in luxury, wine, women and brothels aplenty but OH HE SUFFERED! And his father footed the bill, oh my, but never oh never did anything to support his name or house and he magically expects to be handed Casterly Rock.

 

And Stannis should have taken King's Landing, So...That doesn't win him any points either.

[MisterJB]

I'm a huge Tywin fan but the way he treated Tyrion was just plain stupid; snobbing the smartest of his sons while favoring the two who either have interest in or no capacity to play the game just because they are more pleasing to the eye and because their birth was easier.

It's a flaw of his character, not something to be defended. Tyrion, by every law in Westeros, is the rightful heir to Casterly Rock. Or was before he killed his kin.

[Engineer LV-223]

"Maybe I'll pick my teeth with it."

[Master Warder Z_]

I'm a huge Tywin fan but the way he treated Tyrion was just plain stupid; snobbing the smartest of his sons while favoring the two who either have interest in or no capacity to play the game just because they are more pleasing to the eye and because their birth was easier.

It's a flaw of his character, not something to be defended. Tyrion, by every law in Westeros, is the rightful heir to Casterly Rock. Or was before he killed his kin.

 

He only became that when Jamie was wrote out, Until that?

 

I don't care what Tryion has to say on the issue, Tywin still had an Heir.

[MisterJB]

He became that when Jaime joined the Kingsguard and Cersei married the king.

[Han Shot First]

For the book fans...

 

A chapter from the upcoming Winds of Winter (Theon POV), with the rightful king of Westeros, Stannis Baratheon, being his usual epically bad@ss self.

 

(It was originally posted on George RR Martin's blog)

[Kel Riever]

GoT, the book, was pretty much 600 pages of awesome, followed by 200 pages of pandering trype. That killed the rest of George RR Martin for me for good. The man can write. He just has no ability to conceptualize a story, is what I'd say.

 

Having said that, and also noting I haven't touched one thing of GoT since, I think I would be willing to watch it as a series. If it makes any sense, it probably makes a better audio/visual experience than a book. Basically, HBO can fill in what GRRM doesn't do in his books.

 

Now, I probably hold some grudge because some fool friends of mine described GoT to me as the best thing ever in fantasy lit, even better than LotR. Which might be true if we were talking pertinence of language or a modern point of view. But to say it had the same impact or better? Yeah, those friends made a mistake. I deride them to this day and they hate when I bring it up. Which is my revenge.

 

The stuff belongs right alongside anything else you'd find in the fantasy section. I mean Anne McCaffrey is still there for crying out loud! But that's a long way from the quality of what the book was said to be.

 

At some point, I will nab the HBO series for exactly $0 and that is when I will watch it. Maybe one of those friends might lend it to me, but they are probably too scared to now

[Han Shot First]

I'd agree with your friends that A Song of Ice and Fire is better than Lord of the Rings. Because he is the grandfather of the fantasy genre, Tolkien ends up a bit overrated. He was the Bethesda of fantasy writers. He is a fantastic world-builder, perhaps unmatched, but characters and dialogue were not his strong suit. He also sometimes didn't know when to stop writing, or when to edit. Tom Bombadil? A pointless character that never should have made a final draft. The scouring of the Shire was also anti-climactic. 

[Cainhurst Crow]

Cruel? He didn't do much to overtly taunt any one, he refused his "son" something he had no right to. The Starks were rebelling Idiots, Nedd, Robb, The guy who repeats " I don't know" every other breath, Brann...They really just had it coming, If we are lucky Martin will kill them all. And oh yes, he was treated so horribly, he lived in luxury, wine, women and brothels aplenty but OH HE SUFFERED! And his father footed the bill, oh my, but never oh never did anything to support his name or house and he magically expects to be handed Casterly Rock.

 

And Stannis should have taken King's Landing, So...That doesn't win him any points either.

 

Sometimes I really wish there was a dislike button on these forums.

[Kel Riever]

@Han, well I'd argue that there are actually main characters in GoT that are pointless and never should have made the final draft.  At least Tom wasn't a main character.  And while I agree the scouring of the shire was pointless, I would also say so was the Red Wedding from what I heard.

 

Oh, I went there.

 

And main characters that never should have made the final draft?  Eddard Stark.

 

Oh no, I went there too!

 

  What it is.  Anyway, you enjoy your GoT.  I have much more fun picking on the ending of ME3 which was atrociously written, than GoT, which at least was not a technical disaster.  That is unless GRRM actually doesn't finish his books and HBO does it for him.  Like GoT or not, I think that is the greatest debate of them all!

[CrimsonN7]

Cruel? He didn't do much to overtly taunt any one, he refused his "son" something he had no right to. The Starks were rebelling Idiots, Nedd, Robb, The guy who repeats " I don't know" every other breath, Brann...They really just had it coming, If we are lucky Martin will kill them all. And oh yes, he was treated so horribly, he lived in luxury, wine, women and brothels aplenty but OH HE SUFFERED! And his father footed the bill, oh my, but never oh never did anything to support his name or house and he magically expects to be handed Casterly Rock.

 

And Stannis should have taken King's Landing, So...That doesn't win him any points either.

Come now Tyrion is the intelligent one and he casts him aside just cos he's a dwarf. Like Tywin's  sister Lady Genna once told Jaime,

 

"I have known you since you were a babe at Joanna's breast. You smile like Gerion and fight like Tyg, and there's some of Kevan in you, else you would not wear that cloak... but Tyrion is Tywin's son, not you. I said so once to your father's face, and he would not speak to me for half a year. Men are such thundering great fools. Even the sort who come along once in a thousand years."

 

All dwarfs are b*stards in their fathers eyes and Tyrion is proof of that, its easy to understand why he acts like he does when most of his family treat him with contempt. Jaime unlike Cersei desires no power, he just wants to fight, Tyrion would have been a fine Lord of Casterly Rock, lord knows he is the brains of the children.

 

The Starks only rose up in rebellion after what happened to Ned and they were right to do it. The Lannisters cast the first blow, a reckoning is coming, justice I hope will be served. We will just have to agree to disagree.

[CrimsonN7]

That was a good episode.

 

GRRM can write really good episodes.

Yup, season 2's Battle of the Blackwater was another he wrote I think, the highlight of that season.

[Steelcan]

For the book fans...

 

A chapter from the upcoming Winds of Winter (Theon POV), with the rightful king of Westeros, Stannis Baratheon, being his usual epically bad@ss self.

 

 

Spoiler

I am wondering why Theon doesn't tell Stannis what actually happened with Bran and Rickon

[Cainhurst Crow]

Spoiler

I am wondering why Theon doesn't tell Stannis what actually happened with Bran and Rickon

 

Spoiler

didn't read the whole chapter. Could it be that he doesn't remember what actually happened? His mind being so fucked up and all.

[Steelcan]

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didn't read the whole chapter. Could it be that he doesn't remember what actually happened? His mind being so fucked up and all.

Spoiler

I mean its possible, but I'm inclined to believe that he just wants to die even though he didn't kill them...

 

though he really should so Stannis can go find a Stark that can be Warden of the North, assuming Davos hasn't gotten Rickon yet

[Cainhurst Crow]

Spoiler

I mean its possible, but I'm inclined to believe that he just wants to die even though he didn't kill them...

 

though he really should so Stannis can go find a Stark that can be Warden of the North, assuming Davos hasn't gotten Rickon yet

 

Spoiler

I wonder what will happen first. Davos returning or Manderly dying.

[CrimsonN7]

Did anyone else actually feel sorry for Joffrey and Cersei?

 

Yes, I wanted that piece of sh&t dead but watching him die so gruesomely in his own mother's arms was not enjoyable. Cercei was the only person in the books who actually mourned for him.

Nope, Joffrey had to die. Cersei a lil, her only redeeming quality is her love for her children, she is a colossal c*nt other than that. But a really entertaining one, her plans always back fire on her spectacularly, its pretty funny.

[Milan92]

Nope, Joffrey had to die. Cersei a lil, her only redeeming quality is her love for her children, she is a colossal c*nt other than that. But a really entertaining one, her plans always back fire on her spectacularly, its pretty funny.

 

I really wish some people explained to me why Cersei is their favorite character. Because I can't wrap my head around it, lol

[CrimsonN7]

I really wish some people explained to me why Cersei is their favorite character. Because I can't wrap my head around it, lol

I love her chapters though, she's such a b*tch, really entertaining to read. And Lena Headey unf!!! She's brilliant as her.

[Milan92]

I love her chapters though, she's such a b*tch, really entertaining to read. And Lena Headey unf!!! She's brilliant as her.

 

Fair enough

[Cainhurst Crow]

Did anyone else actually feel sorry for Joffrey and Cersei?

 

Yes, I wanted that piece of sh&t dead but watching him die so gruesomely in his own mother's arms was not enjoyable. Cercei was the only person in the books who actually mourned for him.

 

I'm not afraid to admit I did. Strangulation's a bad way to go, you're aware throughout the whole thing. Watching you're kid die in front of you, as we already saw in season 3, is tragic for anyone going through it. So yeah, I was able to feel sympathy for her and jeff, even if they deserve it.

[Mr.House]

Did anyone else actually feel sorry for Joffrey and Cersei?

 

Yes, I wanted that piece of sh&t dead but watching him die so gruesomely in his own mother's arms was not enjoyable. Cercei was the only person in the books who actually mourned for him.

Nope. Joffrey was causing too much damage, for everyone and he had to be taken care of, not to mention he was pure scum.

[Milan92]

I praise Jack Gleeson for his portrayal of the character, but I really did not feel sorry for either Joffrey or Cercei.