If Stannis ever died...Well i would ditch the series promptly, i get sick of losing characters.
A Bunch of Lannisters, The one Stark i actually liked and The Merchant of Spices wasn't enough?
Stannis is probably my favorite character and the rightful king, but I doubt he'll survive the series.
OK, making THAT scene
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Martin can do anything he wants to as long as Dany and Arya are safe. 
but ofc who am i kidding...
This guy is hilarious
"I AM THE RED GOD! AND NOT JUST BECAUSE OF THIS RASH!"
Gah gotta wait until a day later to watch cos I'm not Murican.
Gah gotta wait until a day later to watch cos I'm not Murican.
Silly Irish lol 
Gah gotta wait until a day later to watch cos I'm not Murican.
MUERICA YEAH!
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I really hope your spoiler is right .
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Highlight for me was Tywin grooming Tommen. I am glad they recasted Martin Lannister from the last season. He's absolutely fantastic as Tommen - even though book readers are probably livid that he's not fat. Get over it, guys. Not everything has to be 1000% authentic to the books. (Or perhaps you should ****** that Dany isn't a 13 year old girl while you're at it?) I also loved the Tyrion and Pod scene.
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That was the best scene for mine. Charles Dance and the boy actor (don't know his name) really nailed it. I also found Jaime and Cersei's sex scene in front of their dead, inbred son very intense. Wrong on so many levels.
Guys, if you go back and read ASOS Chapter 62 ... it's not dramatically different from the screen. Not at all.
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That's pretty far into dubcon territory already. The point where you can say D&D screwed up is by adapting that passage but not what comes immediately afterwards (it's not like HBO to shy away from a sex scene, but I suspect it's because of the incest angle), which makes it come off as more rapey than it should. But it's already got shades of that to begin with.
It is remarkably different because, after that passage she clearly gives consent:
But, in the show, she is saying "no" up until the end. They already made Jaime a kinslayer, now he is a rapist too. Why are they trying to make the audience hate him?
And, like someone else said, Tyrion's portrayal is just awful. The actor is great but they make him a saint whereas in the book, he is a much more well-rounded character with good and bad characteristics.
Okay I just watched the episode a few mins ago and I haven't read any of the comments here. So if I'm repeating some points already my apologies.
What the hell man, why would they turn a consensual sex scene in the books into something as horrific and ugly as they did??? I just don't get the angle they are trying to go for, it's completely out of character for Jaime to do that. I know they have deviated from the books from time to time in this show but that was just awful. For those who aren't book readers it paints Jaime in a vile vile light! Terrible terrible change, I'm really disgusted with the show producers for going this route.
Other than that horribad out of character and baffling change-up it was a very good episode. I kinda wished though that Strong Belwas was in the show, he should have been the one fighting the warrior at the gates of Meereen.
Martin can do anything he wants to as long as Dany and Arya are safe.
Lol no character is safe with George, no- one! 
Other than that horribad out of character and baffling change-up it was a very good episode. I kinda wished though that Strong Belwas was in the show, he should have been the one fighting the warrior at the gates of Meereen.
Speaking of wish, they clearly established that Daario brought the Second Sons to Daenerys' cause in the previous season and now he is, suddenly, no one's commander.
They actually screwed up their own continuity with this one, not the just the book's.
Speaking of wish, they clearly established that Daario brought the Second Sons to Daenerys' cause in the previous season and now he is, suddenly, no one's commander.
They actually screwed up their own continuity with this one, not the just the book's.
Also Dany would have never risked Daario, Belwas was a perfect choice as he was an ex-slave and his death wouldn't harm her plans. And also death at the hands of an ex-slave of Meereen would have been a big insult to the Grand Maesters.
It is remarkably different because, after that passage she clearly gives consent:
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But, in the show, she is saying "no" up until the end. They already made Jaime a kinslayer, now he is a rapist too. Why are they trying to make the audience hate him?
And, like someone else said, Tyrion's portrayal is just awful. The actor is great but they make him a saint whereas in the book, he is a much more well-rounded character with good and bad characteristics.
First off, it's already established that Jaime keeps going even despite her protests. Cersei "gives in" when he's tearing away her small clothes and moving Tab A towards Slot B. Are you telling me that he would have stopped if she had continued to protest?
For that matter, are you telling me that continuing despite her saying no is not at even a little questionably consensual and rapey? C'mon, JB.
Secondly - and George touched on this when he made his sole comment - the entire scene is from Jaime's POV in the books.
The fact that Cersei is telling him to hurry up and pushes him off as soon as they're done casts doubt on how much she was actually consenting, and how much she was simply trying to get it over with with it clear Jaime wasn't going to be stopping. It's deep into dubcon territory, either way.
Judging by comments from Graves, it was supposed to seem like it was becoming reciprocated a bit at the end and they dropped the ball there, but up until that point it absolutely was supposed to look and feel forced, and it's dark and uncomfortable, and that is not at all inconsistent with how it plays out in ASOS (which George also mentions).
. For those who aren't book readers it paints Jaime in a vile vile light! Terrible terrible change, I'm really disgusted with the show producers for going this route.
Because attempted murder of an 8-year old to conceal twenty-year incestuous adultery was forgivable, but it's only now that Jaime does something quite vile?
C'mon people. I love Jaime, but you guys should be smart enough to realize that he is not a good person, no matter how much he wants to be. He's not Arthur Dayne, he's the Smiling Knight.
Because attempted murder of an 8-year old to conceal twenty-year incestuous adultery was forgivable, but it's only now that Jaime does something quite vile?
C'mon people. I love Jaime, but you guys should be smart enough to realize that he is not a good person, no matter how much he wants to be. He's not Arthur Dayne, he's the Smiling Knight.
Jaime is far from perfect we all know that but he isn't a rapist and for some bizarre reason the boys in charge of HBO GoT think that's a good change to make to his character.
C'mon people. I love Jaime, but you guys should be smart enough to realize that he is not a good person, no matter how much he wants to be. He's not Arthur Dayne, he's the Smiling Knight.
And guys, that's the point of the episode.
Ygritte is a brutal marauder, even more into it because of her scorned heart. Jaime is a scumbag who knows he could be better but fails along the way. The Hound continues to not give a damn about human life, regardless of any softening effect that Arya has on him.
That's the reality.
They seemed to want to turn Jaime more onto the Dark Side than otherwise, because they've been making him a bit too Light lately. He's not a good person.
The only problem of the Jaime/Cercei scene is a combination of the direction and the audience.
The director pushed things a little too dark, without making it more clear about the context (Cercei IS largely just protesting the location and time, not having sex with Jaime in itself - I mean she's pulling his clothes off). It should have contained more of the lines that were in the book.
The larger audience on the other hand, doesn't usually do subtle. (This is why the show has to be more overt about things that otherwise were explained over multiple pages in the books.)
If it's being protested at all, of course it is rape. Forget understanding their characters and how they work - its obviously rape, guyz. Uh huh. Dany's experience was much more like it - not this.
People would accept Jaime strangling and killing his sister in that room more than him more than him having sex with her. You know that.
And people claim that this kills his character. Again, he's NOT A GOOD PERSON. What exactly is ruined here? He protects a city because he wants to be good. He tries to kill Bran because he thinks he is bad. He protects Brianne because he wants to be good. He pushes himself on Cercei because he thinks he is bad. The Lannisters are messed up - all of them.
Those in charge of the episode just wanted to be more clear about that while avoiding characters having sex right over a newly dead body. It backfired, and they should have had a few more clearly consenting lines from Cercei instead of her just reciprocating physically.
Look forward to more of both of then being terrible people while having slight redeeming qualities.
But personally, I'm looking forward to seeing everyone elses' dark sides coming through. The Lannisters are boring me - even after this big protest.
Jaime is far from perfect we all know that but he isn't a rapist and for some bizarre reason the boys in charge of HBO GoT think that's a good change to make to his character.
No.. he's just a child killer, murderer, and incestual liar. lol
No.. he's just a child killer, murderer, and incestual liar. lol
I'm not defending his past actions, however for what it's worth I believe he did the right thing killing Aery's even though he gets sh*t from everyone else for doing it. Jaime is a morally grey character, him and Cersei are both deviant narcissists, both are really messed up individuals but Jaime I think does try to redeem himself somewhat in the series. Whereas Cersei doesn't give a F about anyone else but her family, well her children really. I like Jaime myself, he's not the worst outta that bad bunch. He is an interesting character.
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