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[WeRtheBrox]

I'll say!  My oldest son is six, if he were an actor I'd have a big problem with him nursing a boob, fake or not. 

[Catspaw]

As a parent of teenagers, Sansa is spot on as a teenage girl. No one can be as petulant and snarky as a 15 year old girl. Her behavior works for a 13 year old too. People don't like her because she is being normal for her age. She is suddenly completely ignored by her parents (life at Winterfell was completely different and I think she got attention from her mother at least) now that she is in King's Landing. Remember that her mother isn't there and her father only talks to her in terms of when she marries and gives birth to boys. The only person who pays attention to her is her Septa/governess so that is the only person she can lash out against. She does buy into the fairy tale - she has been raised outside of the mainstream society and so imagines life in the capital to be very different from the reality. Again, just like a teenage girl.

edit for spelling

Modifié par Catspaw, 25 mai 2011 - 06:30 .

[naughty99]

I believe Sansa will have a huge role to play in A Dance with Dragons and will likely reach some kind of point of redemption in her character arc.

[Seagloom]

naughty99 wrote...

So you DIDN'T like Tyrion in the novels?

Tyrion is okay at first. Unlike Jon and Arya, he doesn't start grabbing me until "A Clash of Kings". Tyrion in the books comes off as sly and almost glib; while Tyrion on the show is snarkier and charming. I thought he was a bit annoying the first time I read "A Game of Thrones".

Modifié par Seagloom, 25 mai 2011 - 10:30 .

[Brockololly]

Oh god, I saw this on the GoT thread on NeoGaf....I hope whoever made this isn't serious...



My reaction:

[HoonDing]

Brockololly wrote...

Oh, by all the heavens...

Where's the Mountain when you need him?

Modifié par virumor, 25 mai 2011 - 02:35 .

[GodWood]

Since it's being discussed..

[As someone who has read the books]In no particular order characters I love: [spoilers naturally]

~ Jaime - Ever since his first proper scene in A Clash of Kings I have adored him.
Stuck up, arrogant and flawed - everything I like in a character.
I was however a little dissapointed with GRRM's 'redeeming' of his character but overall he's still likable enough for me.

~ Arya - DAAAAWWWWW

~ Tyrion - I must say it does shock me when someone says they don't like Tyrion as I've always figured he was written in such a way that you couldn't hate him. I swear he's the only 'nice' guy (who isn't an idiot) in all of Westeros.

~ Cercei - She's arrogant, she's practical, she's machiavellian and by god is she flawed.
Yes she's a b*tch but she's presented as such in such a realistic manner (which I always love in a "antagonist")
I know most 'love to hate her' but I can't help but just love her.

Sandor Clegane (aka The Hound) - Honestly, to me, he's one of the most well developed characters.

Characters I hate:

~ Daenerys Targaryen - I cannot possibly describe how much I actually hate this character.
She's too much of a textbook Mary Sue TO THE EXTREME and to me her character just doesn't flow with the rest of the series.
If GRRM ever has her killed off I swear I will literally cry tears of joy.

Modifié par GodWood, 25 mai 2011 - 06:05 .

[Addai]

I think I didn't like Tyrion at first because I started off with an "all Lannisters are bad" prejudice, before GRRM took me to school on character development.

I hear people talk about Dany being a Mary Sue and I just don't see it. She is born to rule- it's in her blood- and yet she makes many mistakes. As I said, I didn't like her parts until later books, but man oh man, how could you not like some of the that stuff... don't want to go into detail as we're getting quite spoilery for folks just watching the TV series.

[Addai]

Brockololly wrote...

Oh god, I saw this on the GoT thread on NeoGaf....I hope whoever made this isn't serious...

*snip*

My reaction:

*snip*

I overheard Twitter chatter from people who hadn't read the books who found that scene with Joffrey and Sansa sweet.  I... shan't comment for spoilericiousness.

Oh man, I loved that moment between Ned and Arya.  I'm getting verklemmt now. 

Modifié par Addai67, 25 mai 2011 - 07:17 .

[naughty99]

Addai67 wrote...

I overheard Twitter chatter from people who hadn't read the books who found that scene with Joffrey and Sansa sweet.  

:sick:

Modifié par naughty99, 25 mai 2011 - 07:25 .

[Maria13]

Well, they'll be disabused of that sure enough... I think they'll love it!

[Catspaw]

naughty99 wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

I overheard Twitter chatter from people who hadn't read the books who found that scene with Joffrey and Sansa sweet.  

:sick:

Hubby (non-reader) was a bit surprised by that scene. His comment "His mother put him up to that, didn't she?" I about bit my tongue off to not say anything spoiler-y!

[Bryy_Miller]

The best line of the last episode really was "I should not have hit her. That was not... kingly".

[TJPags]

naughty99 wrote...

I believe Sansa will have a huge role to play in A Dance with Dragons and will likely reach some kind of point of redemption in her character arc.

I think not, personally.  Or should I say, I hope not.

She's had her opportunities for this kind of turnaround, and hasn't shown signs of doing so before.  I'll be somewhat disappointed if she goes the redeemer route.
 
I should note, I don't think she's evil, or even bad.  As I said, simply spoiled and naive.  I can't like her, but I don't hate her.  I just have great fear of her ever being in a position of power or authority.

[WeRtheBrox]

Addai67 wrote...
I overheard Twitter chatter from people who hadn't read the books who found that scene with Joffrey and Sansa sweet.  I... shan't comment for spoilericiousness.

Thank you for not spoiling, Addai.  I must say, though, those Twitterers must be morons not to see that he was just telling her what she wanted to hear.

So, I'll just be over here, reading, waiting for the other shoe to drop.

[Addai]

I'm looking forward to the TV debut of the Greatjon. Gah, so many good characters. I also miss Benjen, the badassest of the Starks.

Y U GO RANGING BENJY!

[Shirosaki17]

Oh how the peasants forget so easily how Joffrey almost killed Arya 3 or 4 episodes earlier.

[Maria13]

Capt. Obvious wrote...

naughty99 wrote...

I believe Sansa will have a huge role to play in A Dance with Dragons and will likely reach some kind of point of redemption in her character arc.

There really is no need for redemption in her character arc because so far she was mostly the victim. And what would the fun be in redemption? We already have Jaime and Sandor going through a redemption arc(if you believe the grave-digger theory). Sansa, I believe, will(or may) turn into a Machiavellian similar to Littlefinger. Or at least pick up some politicking techniques.

Also, I think I heard some where on the ASOIAF forum that Sansa won't be in A Dance with Dragons.

It won't because her voice was in FfC and GRR split up the voices between FfC and DwD.

[Eski.Moe]

Catspaw wrote...

As a parent of teenagers, Sansa is spot on as a teenage girl. No one can be as petulant and snarky as a 15 year old girl. Her behavior works for a 13 year old too. People don't like her because she is being normal for her age. She is suddenly completely ignored by her parents (life at Winterfell was completely different and I think she got attention from her mother at least) now that she is in King's Landing. Remember that her mother isn't there and her father only talks to her in terms of when she marries and gives birth to boys. The only person who pays attention to her is her Septa/governess so that is the only person she can lash out against. She does buy into the fairy tale - she has been raised outside of the mainstream society and so imagines life in the capital to be very different from the reality. Again, just like a teenage girl.

edit for spelling

This is imparting modern sensibilities too much onto Sansa. She's doing a good job of the 'teenage wangst' but the fact is, she's been raised to be a lady. In the books, she's just that. Her rudeness to the Septa seems to counteract all that. It's beyond rudeness, it's just spiteful. She hasn't been raised with the freedoms that girls today have been. Underneath everything, the Starks understand duty and that's at the core.
Still, I don't mind her performance but it just seems like they're intent on making her as unlikeable as possible.

I kinda miss the wistful and dreamy Sansa of the books, lol.

On a side note, I'm getting for exciting for what is to come. Though, pretty sad too. It's gonna be emotionally draining.

Modifié par Eski.Moe, 26 mai 2011 - 12:23 .

[_- Songlian -]

Eski.Moe wrote...
 She's doing a good job of the 'teenage wangst' but the fact is, she's been raised to be a lady. In the books, she's just that. Her rudeness to the Septa seems to counteract all that. It's beyond rudeness, it's just spiteful. 

Personally, I thought that was out of character completely. Sansa is supposed to think that courtesy is a lady's armor, and then goes all spoiled brat on Septa, asking the poor woman if she still has hair and all that? Just doesn't sit well with the book character, imo.

Addai67 wrote...

Y U GO RANGING BENJY!

Right? 

His performance was badass.  

Modifié par - Songlian -, 26 mai 2011 - 12:41 .

[Addai]

Based on hints at GRRM's blog, there's fan speculation that Amy Joyce Hastings has been cast as Melisandre.  I know nothing about her, but she sure has the look. (edit:  They're now saying that she's most likely been cast, but not sure if it's for M or for Ygritte... too hard for me to say, she has more of a Melisandre look to me)

Edit again:  Apparently this is just a rumor and she's not been cast.  lol  Oh well.  I was starting to wonder if part of their deal with the Northern Irish government was casting a certain number of Irish actors.  There was talk they wouldn't get the Paint Hall in Belfast for season 2, which would make it really difficult to shoot the keep scenes.

Modifié par Addai67, 26 mai 2011 - 08:22 .

[WeRtheBrox]

Just finished reading the joust section.  I found it interesting that, in the book, it was the Hound himself that told Sansa how his face was burned, not Littlefinger.  And then threatened to kill her if she told anyone. 

[Eski.Moe]

It would have been better if they had allowed the Hound to tell Sansa, rather than Littlefinger. I mean, the point still got across but it was interesting bit of development for the character.

[Addai]

They seem to be developing Littlefinger a lot, and there are reasons to show him and Sansa interacting. This also demonstrates how he's in the know about a lot of things. Aiden Gillen is great in the role, so it's good he's getting a lot of screen time.