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[MisterJB]

Also the lack of Lightbringer doing the whole magic sword thing in any season has been an annoyance. Stannis puts on a big display with it at the wall to impress the wildlings a bit later. I would love to see that in the show but I'm guessing I won't.

You know, I think that is the biggest failing on this show; how it loses all those phropecies and hints. Who is the third dragon? Why did Rhaegar kidnap Lyanna? Did he even? Who is Nyssa Nyssa? Who is Azor Ahai? Is the rusted dragon meant to represent this new Aegon?

You just don't hear these questions asked amidst those who watch the show.

[LPPrince]

Some people who watch the show and don't read the books have enough problems just spelling character names correctly.

 

Throwing more at them may not be wise given they don't follow the source material.

[Sir DeLoria]

Tywin is a god among men, show your respect

A god? Tywin was a smart man, a great man, but a ruthless one, an egomaniac and a dishonorable manipulator.

And in the end his own hubris was his downfall.

[Mr.House]

Some people who watch the show and don't read the books have enough problems just spelling character names correctly.

 

Throwing more at them may not be wise given they don't follow the source material.

So making scenes make less sense and complex is good?

[MisterJB]

A god? Tywin was a smart man, a great man, but a ruthless one, an egomaniac and a dishonorable manipulator.

And in the end his own hubris was his downfall.

So, basically, a Greek god.

 

Regardless, I think his answer to your accusations would be to compliment you for your perspicacity.

[Mr.House]

Tywin, our Greek lion god.

[Sir DeLoria]

So, basically, a Greek god.

Regardless, I think his answer to your accusations would be to compliment you for your perspicacity.

Yeah you're right, he would be a good Greek god, he shares a few similarities with Hera and the like.

A master manipulator, who sees even the greatest men as mere pawns in his game.

[LPPrince]

So making scenes make less sense and complex is good?

 

I wish the show could give us what the novels do, but it can't. Not every time.

 

Though the finale I agree should have absolutely done things differently. I expected to hear screams through the Red Keep, a stinging revelation about a long lost love, a lady with a heart of stone, etc etc

 

Believe me when I say I'm with you, I just think David and Dan are catering more towards those that just watch the show, rather than those who read the books. Which bums me out when I hear people review episodes or give their thoughts and they get nearly everything wrong.

 

I want to shake them rabidly.

[Il Divo]

There's fun to be had in watching Cersei completely self-destruct and go bats.

 

To an extent. But Cercei (compared to Jaime) always came off to me as a waste of a POV character. I always thought Cercei was bat **** crazy, so her POV really just felt like more of the same (imo). 

[MisterJB]

Honestly, this episode won't do, it just won't do at all. It will have to be entirely redone.

First, we must place a pregnant lady, a baby and a blonde Shieldmaiden in the very first scene. Then we give Mance a backbone and have him fight rather than stand there spazzing.

We can go from there.

[Mr.House]

Honestly, this episode won't do, it just won't do at all. It will have to be entirely redone.

First, we must place a pregnant lady, a baby and a blonde Shieldmaiden in the very first scene. Then we give Mance a backbone and have him fight rather than stand there spazzing.

We can go from there.

Where do whores go though?

[Mr.House]

I wish the show could give us what the novels do, but it can't. Not every time.

 

Though the finale I agree should have absolutely done things differently. I expected to hear screams through the Red Keep, a stinging revelation about a long lost love, a lady with a heart of stone, etc etc

 

Believe me when I say I'm with you, I just think David and Dan are catering more towards those that just watch the show, rather than those who read the books. Which bums me out when I hear people review episodes or give their thoughts and they get nearly everything wrong.

 

I want to shake them rabidly.

I'm probaly more disappointed because Tywin was my fav character and this episode did not do his death any justice at all and it even damaged Tyrions character. It should have been a two hour finale because this was one things that needed to have alot of depth and exploration.

[MisterJB]

To an extent. But Cercei (compared to Jaime) always came off to me as a waste of a POV character. I always thought Cercei was bat **** crazy, so her POV really just felt like more of the same (imo). 

Honestly, I thought it was hilarious.

Spoiler

First, I'll revive the one group in the realm that may have legal authority over the Crown. Then, I'll deliver into the hands of a clearly fanatical High Septon my accomplice in nearly every crime I've commited inclunding the murder of the previous High Septon.

I'm a genius! There's no way this could possibly go wrong. Daddy would be proud.

[AresKeith]

I'm probaly more disappointed because Tywin was my fav character and this episode did not do his death any justice at all and it even damaged Tyrions character. It should have been a two hour finale because this was one things that needed to have alot of depth and exploration.

 

It really should've been a 2 hour finale

[Il Divo]

It really should've been a 2 hour finale

 

That or they just need to cut out fluff like the Greyworm romance. Some of the new scenes in the show are great (Ex: Chaos is a ladder). Others, like this, served little purpose (imo). 

[LPPrince]

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[CronoDragoon]

No Val, no baby, Mance didn't fight, Gregor didn't seem to be in pain; Cersei and Jaime, for some reason, seem to have gotten each other's scripts for mistake; Jojen is dead, thanks for letting us know that he won't be important in the books; no falling out between the Lannisters brothers, no Tysha and, worst of all, no LADY STONEHEART?

 

Lady Stoneheart has been a complete waste in the books thus far, so all we've missed is the initial shock value. And we may get that at some point next season anyway.

 

As I said, I don't think the Tysha thing would have really worked in the show. It's been a long time since she was mentioned (the story was told all the way back in what, Season 1? How many times have we heard her name since then?) and the couple of scenes were rightly focused on the Tyrion-Shae conclusion, and then about Tyrion and Tywin's relationship. Tyrion's final words make it clear that Tyrion is killing him for more than just what he did to Tysha; this is about a lifetime of mistreatment and abuse, followed by, you know, Tywin trying to kill Tyrion (as he admits, pretty much his whole life). Besides that, since Shae and Tyrion actually loved each other in the show, the shock of finding her in Tywin's bed is enough to send him down that hallway.

 

As for Jojen, it's not a valid complaint for him to die and betray that he won't be important in the books, but I think the larger issue is that Bran's trek just hasn't been all that interesting in the show, and consequently we don't really care all that much about Jojen. Not that I really care about him in the books, either.

 

We may see Val next season. It makes more sense to hire an actress for a season starting next year if they are going to do that subplot.

[Mr.House]

As I said, I don't think the Tysha thing would have really worked in the show. It's been a long time since she was mentioned (the story was told all the way back in what, Season 1? How many times have we heard her name since then?) and the couple of scenes were rightly focused on the Tyrion-Shae conclusion, and then about Tyrion and Tywin's relationship. Tyrion's final words make it clear that Tyrion is killing him for more than just what he did to Tysha; this is about a lifetime of mistreatment and abuse, followed by, you know, Tywin trying to kill Tyrion (as he admits, pretty much his whole life). Besides that, since Shae and Tyrion actually loved each other in the show, the shock of finding her in Tywin's bed is enough to send him down that hallway.

 

There have been plenty of shows that brought up old arcs and such for a current thing. The reason it was changed was because HBO wanted too. Same with the Red wedding and the crap load of changes there. There is no excuse for leaving out the Tysha revelation, Tywins famous quote or the fact that his death was extremely tamed compared to the book yet show a pregnant woman who was not even at the red wedding in the book get stabbed in the belly in the show.

 

It's mind boogling and stupid.

[CronoDragoon]

There have been plenty of shows that brought up old arcs and such for a current thing. The reason it was changed was because HBO wanted too. Same with the Red wedding and the crap load of changes there. There is no excuse for leaving out the Tysha revelation, Tywins famous quote or the fact that his death was extremely tamed compared to the book yet show a pregnant woman who was not even at the red wedding in the book get stabbed in the belly in the show.

 

Robb's wife in the books is pretty much a completely different character. Once they decided she was going to be important as a character, it made the most sense to kill her at the Wedding.

 

Look, as a book reader I'm disappointed the Tysha part was cut. As a show watcher I get it. Perhaps you could detail some examples of a brief years-ago story being brought up as a twist in a climactic scene. I'm not saying they don't exist, but I can't think of any. Maybe I'm just not sure what you mean.

[Mr.House]

Robb's wife in the books is pretty much a completely different character. Once they decided she was going to be important as a character, it made the most sense to kill her at the Wedding.

 

Look, as a book reader I'm disappointed the Tysha part was cut. As a show watcher I get it. Perhaps you could detail some examples of a brief years-ago story being brought up as a twist in a climactic scene. I'm not saying they don't exist, but I can't think of any. Maybe I'm just not sure what you mean.

And Grey WInd being shot in a cage without his last stand, hmm?

[Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel]

And Grey WInd being shot in a cage without his last stand, hmm?

All Greywind did was kill some dogs and rip a man's arm off. Hardly plot worthy.

[Mr.House]

All Greywind did was kill some dogs and rip an man's arm off. Hardly plot worthy.

SO instead of having him die fighting and going like a champ, lets have him die in a defenseless situation, because that's plot worthy, right?

[Fast Jimmy]

Robb's wife in the books is pretty much a completely different character. Once they decided she was going to be important as a character, it made the most sense to kill her at the Wedding.

Look, as a book reader I'm disappointed the Tysha part was cut. As a show watcher I get it. Perhaps you could detail some examples of a brief years-ago story being brought up as a twist in a climactic scene. I'm not saying they don't exist, but I can't think of any. Maybe I'm just not sure what you mean.

See, I completely disagree. They mentioned the line in the intro recap from Melisandre saying that "the real threat was beyond the wall" or whatever back from Season 2, something I, as a show watcher, had completely forgot about. You can say do a two sentence recap in the intro to the show and BOOM - instantly you can talk about things you haven't mentioned in two dozen episodes. It's not complicated - Tyrion married a woman he loved, he found she was a prostitute paid by his brother and upon finding out, his father had her brutally raped. That's easy and then not at all an issue when forty minutes later, you refer to that very same event in the past.

I think, as a show watcher, it was inexcusable to cut that out. We knew who she was, we knew her importance to Tyrion and we knew Jaime bought her and that Tywin cruelly punished her and Tyrion for getting married. This wasn't simplicity, it was just unnecessary removal of vital plot points. I felt the episode fell flat when I watched it and the scene with Tyrion and Tywin felt half of the reason why. That one piece of dialogue would have changed the entire dynamic for the better.

[Mr.House]

See, I completely disagree. They mentioned the line from Melisandre saying that "the real threat was beyond the wall" or whatever back from Season 2, something I as a show watched had completely forgot about. You can say do a two sentence recap in the intro to the show and BOOM - instantly you can talk about things you haven't mentioned in two dozen episodes. It's not complicated - Tyrion married a woman he loved, he found she was a prostitute paid by his brother and upon finding out, his father had her brutally raped. That's easy and then not at all an issue when forty minutes later, you refer to that very same event in the past.

I think, as a show watcher, it was inexcusable to cut that out. We knew who she was, we knew her importance to Tyrion and we knew Jaime bought her and that Tywin cruelly punished her and Tyrion for getting married. This wasn't simplicity, it was just unnecessary removal of vital plot points. I felt the episode fell flat when I watched it and the scene with Tyrion and Tywin felt half of the reason why. That one piece of dialogue would have changed the entire dynamic for the better.

Plus we might have found out where whores go.

[CronoDragoon]

SO instead of having him die fighting and going like a champ, lets have him die in a defenseless situation, because that's plot worthy, right?

 

Because that's what happened to Robb, so it resonates more strongly with the goings-on at the Red Wedding. The Freys were shooting fish in a barrel. The visual imagery here is notable with the crossbows being aimed from above for both of them.