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[TheChris92]

Brienne fighting and beating the Hound is much more impactful than the story in the books, because it sets Arya's resolve- not only is it possible for her to be a warrior, but it's possible for a woman to be a better warrior than the Hound. It makes more sense for what comes next.

I never saw that as her resolve -- I don't think she needed an affirmation for that but whatever. It doesn't change the fact that it was rather abhorrently executed nevertheless.

[CronoDragoon]

Otherwise, as a television drama and not a faithful adaptation, it did its job well in that regard.

Well, yeah. It makes sense that this would be their goal on multiple levels. One being that they should craft the show with show-only watchers as the primary audience, because book readers will watch it no matter what.

[TheChris92]

Well, yeah. It makes sense that this would be their goal on multiple levels. One being that they should craft the show with show-only watchers as the primary audience, because book readers will watch it no matter what.

Right, thanks for adding your input to essentially what I was saying anyway. I would have given a more thorough analysis of this episode had I not just gotten home from work. Ultimately, while I think the amount of plot-points shoved into this episode were clumsily handled and implemented, ultimately it was one of the better finales. So, kudos for that at least.

[Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel]

Right, thanks for adding your input to essentially what I was saying anyway. I would have given a more thorough analysis of this episode had I not just gotten home from work. Ultimately, while I think the amount of plot-points shoved into this episode were clumsily handled and implemented, ultimately it was one of the better finales. So, kudos for that at least.

Wow. At least you're equally dismissive to people who are agreeing with you, too. Thanks for descending amongst the mundies to share the wisdom from on high.

[TheChris92]

Wow. At least you're equally dismissive to people who are agreeing with you, too. Thanks for descending amongst the mundies to share the wisdom from on high.

You're welcome -- But I wasn't trying to be rude. If you want to read in some sort of passive-agressive attitude in my post then be my guest but it is simply not how it is.

Anyway, Chrono -- I wasn't trying to be an ass but what you posted was essentially what I was saying so I didn't feel it needed to be said. That's all folks.

[KaiserShep]

I rather liked the finale. Having Tywin die in agony with zero dignity and the Hound getting to suffer the same fate was enough to leave me satisfied.

[Giant ambush beetle]

Why Arya didn't finish off the hound is beyond me, it seemed like she was growing to like the hound in the later episodes and he wanted to ''protect'' her from Brienne. Yet she left him to a slow and painful death. Even if she didn't like him a tiny little bit it would have been a sign of respect, if not self respect to end his agony. That was out of character. 

 

Not cool. 

 

Also, the last episode killed off the remaining characters I really liked. Now there is no one left. Makes it hard to look forward to a new season of GoT in 2015.

[Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel]

Why Arya didn't finish off the hound is beyond me, it seemed like she was growing to like the hound in the later episodes and he wanted to ''protect'' her from Brienne. Yet she left him to a slow and painful death. Even if she didn't like him a tiny little bit it would have been a sign of respect, if not self respect to end his agony. That was out of character. 

 

Not cool. 

 

Also, the last episode killed off the remaining characters I really liked. Now there is no one left. Makes it hard to look forward to a new season of GoT in 2015.

I'm not going to spoil anything, but Arya yesterday isn't the same as Arya tomorrow.

[Matieo]

Why Arya didn't finish off the hound is beyond me, it seemed like she was growing to like the hound in the later episodes and he wanted to ''protect'' her from Brienne. Yet she left him to a slow and painful death. Even if she didn't like him a tiny little bit it would have been a sign of respect, if not self respect to end his agony. That was out of character. 

 

Not cool. 

 

Also, the last episode killed off the remaining characters I really liked. Now there is no one left. Makes it hard to look forward to a new season of GoT in 2015.

 

 

I was sorta thinking the same.

 

Really? no one else has endeared themselves to you? Personally, I'm still interested in most of the characters. #TeamStormborn

[Giant ambush beetle]

Really? no one else has endeared themselves to you? Personally, I'm still interested in most of the characters. #TeamStormborn

 
Ok, I'd be lying if I said that I like anyone of the remaining characters, but I'm indifferent to Bran's journey, I hate Dany since she is the most boring character on the show (plus I don't like the actress), very similar to Dany Jon is also extremely one dimensional and boring to watch. (Plus, I don't like the actor).

I still like Brienne because the actress is terrific and the fans favorite, Tyrion but I really hope the next season will introduce us to some new interesting and likable characters. Watching the story unfold through several characters pov where I only like two of them is like a waste of time. 

[Fast Jimmy]

Ok, I'd be lying if I said that I like anyone of the remaining characters, but I'm indifferent to Bran's journey, I hate Dany since she is the most boring character on the show (plus I don't like the actress), very similar to Dany Jon is also extremely one dimensional and boring to watch. (Plus, I don't like the actor).
I still like Brienne because the actress is terrific and the fans favorite, Tyrion but I really hope the next season will introduce us to some new interesting and likable characters. Watching the story unfold through several characters pov where I only like two of them is like a waste of time. 

From what I understand, the next two books introduce an avalanche of new characters to meet.

[Lorien19]

 
Ok, I'd be lying if I said that I like anyone of the remaining characters, but I'm indifferent to Bran's journey, I hate Dany since she is the most boring character on the show (plus I don't like the actress), very similar to Dany Jon is also extremely one dimensional and boring to watch. (Plus, I don't like the actor).

I still like Brienne because the actress is terrific and the fans favorite, Tyrion but I really hope the next season will introduce us to some new interesting and likable characters. Watching the story unfold through several characters pov where I only like two of them is like a waste of time. 

In next season we'll probably get to meet the Martells(or we should),who are a pretty awesome bunch generally,for me at least.

[Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel]

In next season we'll probably get to meet the Martells(or we should),who are a pretty awesome bunch generally,for me at least.
 

Those Sand Snakes, tho.

[CronoDragoon]

Anyway, Chrono -- I wasn't trying to be an ass but what you posted was essentially what I was saying so I didn't feel it needed to be said. That's all folks.

I was just highlighting that "working as television drama" is very important, and more important to the show runners than being a faithful adaption.

[TheChris92]

I was just highlighting that "working as television drama" is very important, and more important to the show runners than being a faithful adaption.

And I wasn't implying otherwise. Just expressing my disappointment regardless.

[Lorien19]

Those Sand Snakes, tho.

Let's hope we'll get to see them!We will probably though.

[TheRealJayDee]

I'm really looking forward to some Dorne, but the Iron Islands can go **** themselves. 

[Lorien19]

I'm really looking forward to some Dorne, but the Iron Islands can go **** themselves. 

Oh,totally forgot about the Iron Islands...

[Wires_From_The_Wall]

Let's hope we'll get to see them!We will probably though.

 

Oh I'm positive we get to see whole lot of them. : D

 

 Everybody is dead. Except  Dany. However, the actress has decided time her tïts get slammed on TV screens all over the world are over. As a result, there is an acute  lack of tïts  and living people. Ironmen don't have tïts.  I'm sure we get a whole lot of very topless sand snakes: p Hell, they prolly end up creating few extra bastards just for the show. 

[Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel]

Oh I'm positive we get to see whole lot of them. : D

 

 Everybody is dead. Except  Dany. However, the actress has decided time her tïts get slammed on TV screens all over the world are over. As a result, there is an acute  lack of tïts  and living people. Ironmen don't have tïts.  I'm sure we get a whole lot of very topless sand snakes: p Hell, they prolly end up creating few extra bastards just for the show. 

I think that was a rumor- her agent said that she'd still do nudity if the script demanded it, from what I read.

[Mr.House]

Well, yeah. It makes sense that this would be their goal on multiple levels. One being that they should craft the show with show-only watchers as the primary audience, because book readers will watch it no matter what.

That does not mean book readers should not be critical if they think changes made don't work or where poorly done. The changes based in this episode where just stupid and ruined many scene, including one of the biggest scenes in the series, the death of Tywin. It damaged Tyrions character, Tywin a very popular character had a very poor and tame death compared to the book and there was no true fallout between Jaime and Tyrion. All oft his adds up creating a very disappointing scene to one of my fav moments in the book(along with the Red Wedding which I also found poor in the show)

 

Adaption writers should create new ideas, but if these ideas do not work(which GoT is filled with) you should probably stick closer to the book then or get better writers who have better ideas to put into an adaption.

[Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel]

That does not mean book readers should not be critical if they think changes made don't work or where poorly done. The changes based in this episode where just stupid and ruined many scene, including one of the biggest scenes in the series, the death of Tywin. It damaged Tyrions character, Tywin a very popular character had a very poor and tame death compared to the book and there was no true fallout between Jaime and Tyrion. All oft his adds up creating a very disappointing scene to one of my fav moments in the book(along with the Red Wedding which I also found poor in the show)

 

Adaption writers should create new ideas, but if these ideas do not work(which GoT is filled with) you should probably stick closer to the book then or get better writers who have better ideas to put into an adaption.

We won't know how this folds into the greater works until both the book and television series end.

[CronoDragoon]

Adaption writers should create new ideas, but if these ideas do not work(which GoT is filled with) you should probably stick closer to the book then or get better writers who have better ideas to put into an adaption.

The problem is that book readers tend to have a warped perspective on what "does or doesn't work," which often has little to do with the show itself and a lot to do with "this didn't happen this way in the books and I liked it the other way," which isn't very compelling. You are comparing, for example, Tyrion's actions in the Tywin/Shae scenes with Tyrion's character in the books, and finding a disconnect. Instead, try comparing Tyrion's actions with the Tyrion from earlier episodes in the show, and you get all the justification you need for him to kill Tywin without the Tysha story.

[Isichar]

The problem is that book readers tend to have a warped perspective on what "does or doesn't work," which often has little to do with the show itself and a lot to do with "this didn't happen this way in the books and I liked it the other way," which isn't very compelling. You are comparing, for example, Tyrion's actions in the Tywin/Shae scenes with Tyrion's character in the books, and finding a disconnect. Instead, try comparing Tyrion's actions with the Tyrion from earlier episodes in the show, and you get all the justification you need for him to kill Tywin without the Tysha story.

I have to 100% agree here

[Il Divo]

The problem is that book readers tend to have a warped perspective on what "does or doesn't work," which often has little to do with the show itself and a lot to do with "this didn't happen this way in the books and I liked it the other way," which isn't very compelling. You are comparing, for example, Tyrion's actions in the Tywin/Shae scenes with Tyrion's character in the books, and finding a disconnect. Instead, try comparing Tyrion's actions with the Tyrion from earlier episodes in the show, and you get all the justification you need for him to kill Tywin without the Tysha story.

 

I'd say this still doesn't work. Tyrion's relationship with Tywin in past episodes doesn't really matter when you consider his reaction towards Jaime. His exact words are to thank Jaime for his life. There's no indication of rage fueling his actions. He's grateful for a chance to get out of the situation alive. It's not even like the writers give us a second to get into the mindset of Tyrion, where he's debating the possibility of going after Tywin/Shae.

 

Instead, we're shown Tyrion thanking his brother for an opportunity to escape unharmed, immediately contrasted with an extremely irrational action (going after Tywin).