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[TheRealJayDee]

I'll watch the final two episodes with a bunch of non-readers soon, so I'll be able to get their un-spoiled perspective on the Tyrion situation. Maybe it's really just that my view is influenced by book-knowledge, but damn, did I not like the show version...

[Il Divo]

I'll watch the final two episodes with a bunch of non-readers soon, so I'll be able to get their un-spoiled perspective on the Tyrion situation. Maybe it's really just that my view is influenced by book-knowledge, but damn, did I not like the show version...

 

For myself, it also felt anticlimactic. It felt much more dramatic knowing that Jaime himself put Tyrion into a rage to the point where he was willing to ignore all rationality. 

[CronoDragoon]

I'd say this still doesn't work. Tyrion's relationship with Tywin in past episodes doesn't really matter when you consider his reaction towards Jaime. His exact words are to thank Jaime for his life. There's no indication of rage fueling his actions. He's grateful for a chance to get out of the situation alive. It's not even like the writers give us a second to get into the mindset of Tyrion, where he's debating the possibility of going after Tywin/Shae.

 

He's debating it when he stops at the exit. He wants to leave (he "likes living" after all) but you can see his face transform at the remembrance of all Tywin has put him through, and in the end he simply can't let it go. But I acknowledge we can have differing perspectives on the disconnect between his attitude with Jaime and what he eventually ends up doing, and I find this a much more compelling criticism than the Tysha story. My mind naturally searches for a way to resolve this contradiction, and I find it in Tywin's treatment of Tyrion for the past 3 and a half seasons, and the way that Tyrion has previously put himself in harm's way to stick it to his father this season.

[Mr.House]

The problem is that book readers tend to have a warped perspective on what "does or doesn't work," which often has little to do with the show itself and a lot to do with "this didn't happen this way in the books and I liked it the other way," which isn't very compelling. You are comparing, for example, Tyrion's actions in the Tywin/Shae scenes with Tyrion's character in the books, and finding a disconnect. Instead, try comparing Tyrion's actions with the Tyrion from earlier episodes in the show, and you get all the justification you need for him to kill Tywin without the Tysha story.

Nope,Tyrion is still a logical character in the show and even with what happen at the trial there was still no reason to risk it with just that, they needed more for Tyrion to throw logic out the window and they didn't deliver it at all imo.

[CronoDragoon]

Nope,Tyrion is still a logical character in the show and even with what happen at the trial there was still no reason to risk it with just that, they needed more for Tyrion to throw logic out the window and they didn't deliver it at all imo.

 

I would argue that though Tyrion is by and large logical in the show, there are a few subjects that set him off that path. One is Shae. The other is his father. And those subjects combine marvelously in the decision to bring Shae to court in the first place. I believe Tyrion's paraphrased words were "if he doesn't like it, my father can go **** himself." Tyrion was established as rebellious to the point of reckless way back then, at least when it concerned those two.

 

As Red said, every man has his breaking point.

[TheRealJayDee]

Yeah, it didn't make much sense for him not to simply take the opportunity to escape. True, we did see him lose it during the trial, but after he lost the trial by combat (and with it the only ally he seemed to have left, aside from his brother who was on his side but didn't at the time seem willing to act like he did in the end) he appeared rather numb and resigned. It definitely didn't help we didn't see him at all between the trial by combat and the escape...

[Mr.House]

I would argue that though Tyrion is by and large logical in the show, there are a few subjects that set him off that path. One is Shae. The other is his father. And those subjects combine marvelously in the decision to bring Shae to court in the first place. I believe Tyrion's paraphrased words were "if he doesn't like it, my father can go **** himself." Tyrion was established as rebellious to the point of reckless way back then, at least when it concerned those two.

 

As Red said, every man has his breaking point.

Tywin being a dick to him is not compelling at all, it's incredible stupid and does damage to the character. There needed to e a compelling reason for him to go meet his father at that moment, the show did not give one.

[CronoDragoon]

Tywin being a dick to him is not compelling at all, it's incredible stupid and does damage to the character. There needed to e a compelling reason for him to go meet his father at that moment, the show did not give one.

 

Tywin was not just a dick to him, Tywin wanted him dead and had felt that way Tyrion's entire life. I can only speak for myself that if my father ever told me "I wanted to put you on the shore and let the waves wash you away" I wouldn't be thinking straight either. Granted, this moment is much earlier in the show, but it's all of these moments that combined to stop Tyrion in his tracks.

 

Sure it's stupid. It's stupid in the books, too, but the argument is whether it makes sense for the character, not whether it was smart.

 

More than that, I'm fine with agreeing to disagree on Tyrion's character.

[Isichar]

Is it really *that* hard to believable that Tyrion would want to kill someone who hated him his whole life and jumped at the first chance to kill him even when he knew he was innocent?

 

If it is that unbelievable I don't think adding a past love that Tyrion hasn't seen in however long is going to somehow pull all his actions together and have it make sense. Tywin openly resented Tyrion his entire life, and was ready to discard his life just because he was a dwarf. If that's not a reason for wanting vengeance on someone I just don't know what is.

 

I think adding the whole thing with Tysha would have added more context to the scene, but personally I could 100% understand why Tyrion would want vengeance against Tywin. I'll admit he could have been a bit smarter on how he went about doing it though.

[Mr.House]

Is it really *that* hard to believable that Tyrion would want to kill someone who hated him his whole life and jumped at the first chance to kill him even when he knew he was innocent?

 

If it is that unbelievable I don't think adding a past love that Tyrion hasn't seen in however long is going to somehow pull all his actions together and have it make sense. Tywin openly resented Tyrion his entire life, and was ready to discard his life just because he was a dwarf. If that's not a reason for wanting vengeance on someone I just don't know what is.

 

I think adding the whole thing with Tysha would have added more context to the scene, but personally I could 100% understand why Tyrion would want vengeance against Tywin. I'll admit he could have been a bit smarter on how he went about doing it though.

The issue is not revenge, it's the fact that he decided to go to Tywins chamber because Tywin was a dick. This too me is not a compelling reason to risk his life like this, the reason why the Tysha reveal worked was because it was the last straw, it was a woman he loved that he just found out it was all Tywins fault she is gone. This puts him into a bloodrage that makes total sense and seeing Shae in his bed just poured oil into an inferno. Everything made sense and did not damage the character. The show does imo, if they didn't want to putt he Tysha stuff, they should have then came up with another compelling reason instead of just going, Tywin was a complete ass to Tyrion, so Tyrion is going to throw logic out the window and go to his chamber. It just does not work for me at all.

[Il Divo]

Also important to keep in mind with the above is that there is no "self-defense" killing of Shae in the books, as I remember. She actually breaks down into tears as Tyrion strangles her. There's no "I'm sorry" on his part. He does what he does out of rage. 

 

What I think worked really well about the Tysha storyline is that it serves to underline how long Tywin has been manipulating his son for. It was one of the few experiences in his life that made Tyrion happy and at the time the assumed revelation that Tysha was a prostitute (which she wasn't) served to impact his view on the world. 

 

Edit: I also don't think it helps that Tyrion is kept away from the audience until the last 10-15 minutes of each episode for the finale and Mountain and the Viper. 

[mybudgee]

Lolelitistbookfans

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I thought this was one of the worst episodes I can remember watching. I really only enjoyed the tender moment between Tyrion and Jamie and I don't know, the calvary decapitations?

 

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FIrst of all, someone please please tell me I'm not the only one who doesn't enjoy the Brandon story at all, it gets weirder and more magical each episode and doesn't fit with anything else whatsoever. It's like taking a break and watching another show, featuring cameos from Samwell and Snow. It seems to have come out of a children's adventure book or the Harry Potter sequel. Even hodor is straining to entertain me now.

 

And I think Arya's heading down a similar path with her new awesome adventure of destiny. I mean she's free now, off to live the rest of her life. They could basically end her story here. It's like Sandor said, there's nothing for her anymore and she's come out of the circumstance in the best possible outcome. I mean I guess she could meet Snow, but since she's not going there. I've really grown to like Sandor and It doesn't help her likeability that her meanness toward the hound isn't just surface hostility but true ungratefulness. Even after hearing his sob story and "at least I'd have one happy memory".

 

Everything she has now she owes to the hound, and this is just one of many occasions he's risked his life for her, that didn't end as well as the others. The fight choreography was really awkward, but wins points for the sheer brutality near the end and the nutshot and cuntpunt. It was painful to watch partly because it was a completely avoidable fight by Arya between two not so evil people, and because I knew what the result would be.

 

I liked how Tyrion killed Shae, it was part self-defense and part release of frustration and anger. His sorries were really weird though, either the first unconvincing acting from Dinklage I've seen, or it was him awkwardly trying to his portray that Tyrion had "fallen to the dark side". Cause what comes next WAS awkward. He seems to have recovered from his breakdown and really shouldn't be a cold blooded murderer. Otherwise it doesn't seem so far fetched that he did kill Joffrey. What's more, isn't he helping Cersei? The one who truly condemed him?

 

 

So yep, not even thirsty for next season. Which I suppose is a good thing. There's no situation I "can't wait to see how it pans out"

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Is it really *that* hard to believable that Tyrion would want to kill someone who hated him his whole life and jumped at the first chance to kill him even when he knew he was innocent?

 

If it is that unbelievable I don't think adding a past love that Tyrion hasn't seen in however long is going to somehow pull all his actions together and have it make sense. Tywin openly resented Tyrion his entire life, and was ready to discard his life just because he was a dwarf. If that's not a reason for wanting vengeance on someone I just don't know what is.

 

I think adding the whole thing with Tysha would have added more context to the scene, but personally I could 100% understand why Tyrion would want vengeance against Tywin. I'll admit he could have been a bit smarter on how he went about doing it though.

 

Haven't read the books but. Cold blooded vs hot blooded. I've done some completely ooc things in the heat of the moment

 

For myself, it also felt anticlimactic. It felt much more dramatic knowing that Jaime himself put Tyrion into a rage to the point where he was willing to ignore all rationality. 

He also doesn't shoot him at any key point of the dialogue or anything, just randomly. Might as well have shot him straightaway.

[Giant ambush beetle]

*Spoiler snip.*

Wow, my thoughts exactly. 

[Khayness]

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FIrst of all, someone please please tell me I'm not the only one who doesn't enjoy the Brandon story at all, it gets weirder and more magical each episode and doesn't fit with anything else whatsoever. It's like taking a break and watching another show, featuring cameos from Samwell and Snow. It seems to have come out of a children's adventure book or the Harry Potter sequel. Even hodor is straining to entertain me now.

 

Well, the magical things making a comeback is a theme in the books, so this happens when book 5 stuff makes its way into the show, even if chronologically these events aren't that far.

 

And still no Victarion, bastards.

[CrimsonN7]

Ah the finale was disappointing. No Lady Stoneheart, FFS I thought that would have been the final scene of the show, bah!!!

 

And Tywin's death, which was done so so well in the books, the show did a mediocre job of it. Also crossbow in the bowels, slow painful death, which would have resulted in embarrasing scenes for his funeral next season. The stench from his bowels hard to mask in the sept, another small victory for Tyrion. And that great line of do Lannisters really sh*t gold, not used either if I recall. Le sigh what could have been.

 

Glad they kept in Tyrion strangling Shae though, shame they didn't use more of the dialogue between him and his Father though, where do whores go etc.

[smoke and mirrors]

Didn't he say it in his head in the books? 

 

It would have just sounded cheesy had it been vocalised anyway. The look he gave him spoke volumes in any case. 

 

 

I still would have liked Tyrion to say the line * shrug *  it was showing his contempt for his ( in his view ) hypocrite Father .

[RobRam10]

Was this posted? Its the season finale director's comment on no LSH:

 

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 “But to bring back Michelle Fairley, one of the greatest actresses around, to be a zombie for a little while -- and just kill people? It is really sort of, what are we doing with that? How does it play into the whole story in a way that we’re really going to like? It just didn’t end up being a part of what was going to happen this season. And finally one [more] reason: In case you didn’t notice, a lot happens this season … To add that in is something they opted out of. But what’s funny is that it was never going to be in the season, yet it took off on the Internet like it was going to happen.”

 

I hope that season 5 includes the Greyjoy storyline, I need ma Victarion and Euron!

[Wires_From_The_Wall]

I think that was a rumor- her agent said that she'd still do nudity if the script demanded it, from what I read.

 

Apparently getting humped by Daario isn't demanding enough : D

[Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel]

Apparently getting humped by Daario isn't demanding enough : D

Not really, there was no dialogue or anything mid coitus to dictate that.

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It's pretty terrible that most actresses have to show their ****** to work their way up to a status where they can tell the pervs to eff off. It's usually much more subtle but it happened within 1 show for Emilia. Nudity is great but if she changed her mind so quickly she obviously wasn't doing it with joy.

 

Kinda funny that her rise to power happened alongside Daenerys'

[TheRealJayDee]

Was this posted? Its the season finale director's comment on no LSH:

 

Spoiler

 “But to bring back Michelle Fairley, one of the greatest actresses around, to be a zombie for a little while -- and just kill people? It is really sort of, what are we doing with that? How does it play into the whole story in a way that we’re really going to like? It just didn’t end up being a part of what was going to happen this season. And finally one [more] reason: In case you didn’t notice, a lot happens this season … To add that in is something they opted out of. But what’s funny is that it was never going to be in the season, yet it took off on the Internet like it was going to happen.”

 

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Ha, I'm really glad to read that. It pretty much sums up my feelings about the character in the books as well - why bring Cat back to run around in the background as a revenge zombie? I suppose George still has some fancy plans for her, but as of now she always struck me as rather pointless.

 

I hope that season 5 includes the Greyjoy storyline, I need ma Victarion and Euron!

 

The only character in the whole Greyjoy parts I ever liked was Aeron. His brothers... nah. Okay, and I did kind of like Asha, a little bit, but especially after this season I don't like the show's "Yara" at all anymore. That "rescue attempt" was one of the most pathetic things ever. Oh, and speaking of the Greyjoys:

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shouldn't Balon have kind of died by now?

 

Anyways, the video below has nothing to do with Game of Thrones whatsoever, but I like it and, yeah, I guess you get why I thought of the band right now. ^^

 

[RobRam10]

The only character in the whole Greyjoy parts I ever liked was Aeron. His brothers... nah. Okay, and I did kind of like Asha, a little bit, but especially after this season I don't like the show's "Yara" at all anymore. That "rescue attempt" was one of the most pathetic things ever. Oh, and speaking of the Greyjoys:

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shouldn't Balon have kind of died by now?

 

 

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In my opinion the whole saving attempt will serve as thing to delevop Balon's death, as in "Yara" returns to the Iron Islands only to find that her father has died, with her uncles and her being claimants to the throne.