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HBO's Game of Thrones

Débuté par horacethegrey , avril 05 2011 04:55

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#6926
Guest_simfamUP_*

Posté 18 juin 2014 - 09:58

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If "Young Griff" marries Myrcella (Cersei's "daughter"), what is the percentage of their baby becoming like Aerys/Joffrey?

Hodor.

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#6927
Alan Rickman

Posté 18 juin 2014 - 09:59

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I can't find much redeemable qualities in Cersei besides loving her children, which is really the very least one can expect from a mother so it's not really high praise. Outside of that she's a cold, remorseless, selfish woman who has little to no foresight when doing anything.

Is that scene where Oberyn tells Tyrion of actually seeing him as an infant in the books? She comes across as the most hateful, evil thing to ever walk Westeros.

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#6928
Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel

Posté 18 juin 2014 - 10:01

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I can't find much redeemable qualities in Cersei besides loving her children, which is really the very least one can expect from a mother so it's not really high praise. Outside of that she's a cold, remorseless, selfish woman who has little to no foresight when doing anything.

Is that scene where Oberyn tells Tyrion of actually seeing him as an infant in the books? She comes across as the most hateful, evil thing to ever walk Westeros.

She'd already been told something that made her prejudiced against Tyrion, I think.

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#6929
Khayness

Posté 18 juin 2014 - 10:04

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Outside of that she's a cold, remorseless, selfish woman who has little to no foresight when doing anything.

That's why I found her chapters amusing. Like a spectacular car crash, waiting to happen.

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#6930
Halfdan The Menace

Posté 18 juin 2014 - 10:07

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The crazy might skip a generation or two but they might have a fetish for incest though.

That's the way I see it too. The situation would be really funny.

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#6931
The Hierophant

Posté 18 juin 2014 - 10:14

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That's the way I see it too. The situation would be really funny.

Considering Cersei's prophecy, i doubt any of her kids will live long enough to birth any. Something tells me the deaths will be brutal.

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#6932
mybudgee

Posté 18 juin 2014 - 10:20

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I already miss the Hound...

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#6933
TheRealJayDee

Posté 18 juin 2014 - 10:44

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For the interested non-readers here's the exchange between Jaime and Tyrion during the escape scene (I took the liberty of copying it from an imdb thread):

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"Thank you, Brother," Tyrion said. "For my life."

"It was . . . a debt I owed you." Jaime's voice was strange.

"A debt?" He cocked his head. "I do not understand."

"Good. Some doors are best left closed."

"Oh, dear," said Tyrion. "Is there something grim and ugly behind it? Could it be that someone said something cruel about me once? I'll try not to weep. Tell me."

"Tyrion . . ."

Jaime is afraid. "Tell me," Tyrion said again.

His brother looked away. "Tysha," he said softly.

"Tysha?" His stomach tightened. "What of her?"

"She was no ******. I never bought her for you. That was a lie that Father commanded me to tell. Tysha was . . . she was what she seemed to be. A crofter's daughter, chance met on the road."

Tyrion could hear the faint sound of his own breath whistling hollowly through the scar of his nose. Jaime could not meet his eyes. Tysha. He tried to remember what she had looked like. A girl, she was only a girl, no older than Sansa. "My wife," he croaked. "She wed me."

"For your gold, Father said. She was lowborn, you were a Lannister of Casterly Rock. All she wanted was the gold, which made her no different from a ******, so . . . so it would not be a lie, not truly, and . . . he said that you required a sharp lesson. That you would learn from it, and thank me later . . ."

"Thank you?" Tyrion's voice was choked. "He gave her to his guards. A barracks full of guards. He made me . . . watch." Aye, and more than watch. I took her too . . . my wife . . .

"I never knew he would do that. You must believe me."

"Oh, must I?" Tyrion snarled. "Why should I believe you about anything, ever? She was my wife!"

"Tyrion--"

He hit him. It was a slap, backhanded, but he put all his strength into it, all his fear, all his rage, all his pain. Jaime was squatting, unbalanced. The blow sent him tumbling backward to the floor. "I . . . I suppose I earned that."

"Oh, you've earned more than that, Jaime. You and my sweet sister and our loving father, yes, I can't begin to tell you what you've earned. But you'll have it, that I swear to you. A Lannister always pays his debts."

Sure, coming from what they did in the show it is something they couldn't put in 1:1, but I don't see how it could have been any problem to set something like it up with pretty minimal effort.

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#6934
Il Divo

Posté 18 juin 2014 - 10:48

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I can't find much redeemable qualities in Cersei besides loving her children, which is really the very least one can expect from a mother so it's not really high praise. Outside of that she's a cold, remorseless, selfish woman who has little to no foresight when doing anything.

Is that scene where Oberyn tells Tyrion of actually seeing him as an infant in the books? She comes across as the most hateful, evil thing to ever walk Westeros.

It is, although in the books it takes place at their first meeting, not their last.

It's actually a bit funny since the plot of Oberyn's story remains the same, but the style differs a bit in the telling. When Oberyn explains the story in a Storm of Swords, it's actually intended more to mock Tyrion than to make him feel sympathetic.

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#6935
Fast Jimmy

Posté 18 juin 2014 - 11:02

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I already miss the Hound...

The Hound and Arya Comedy Hour was my favorite part of this season. I loved those two.

Heimdall, Giant ambush beetle et mybudgee aiment ceci

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#6936
Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel

Posté 19 juin 2014 - 12:12

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The Hound and Arya Comedy Hour was my favorite part of this season. I loved those two.

She'll find another person to Robin to eventually, I assume.

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#6937
Wires_From_The_Wall

Posté 19 juin 2014 - 08:04

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For the interested non-readers here's the exchange between Jaime and Tyrion during the escape scene (I took the liberty of copying it from an imdb thread):

Spoiler

Sure, coming from what they did in the show it is something they couldn't put in 1:1, but I don't see how it could have been any problem to set something like it up with pretty minimal effort.

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Probably before the trial by combat Tyrion says something about how they both have gotten into trouble because they love women they're not supposed to love, Jamie their sister and he yet another ******. Jamie visibly starts feeling uneasy, unsure about wether he should come clean or not. Before he can finally decide the bell calls them to the trial. Throw in a little bit of Tyrion's S1 story in the recap. Then during the escape proceed with something somehwat close the book. Or something like that.

Following spoils the books a little bit.

Tysha in books feels like a big deal because of Tyrion's headspace. Since TV isn't big on headspaces, I think show would have needed like half a season's worth of "let's reminisce about Tysha and how much I love her by campfire again" type of exploitation, in order to make the audience care about how much Tyrion cares. I'm pretty sure this is why they cut her off the story. I'm not sure I like it that much either. It resulted in Tyrion's Pulp Fiction moment turning in to a pretty odd mix: Malign desire of show writers to see if they can make Peter Dinklage suffocate in Grammys ensured Shae died because omg please people you must like Tyrion see tis' an accidental self defense mercy kill stand your ground act. Then on the other hand, Tywin took two bolts because fück you dad. In books, newly ignited rage carried Tyrion to tower of the hand. In show, Tywin didn't die during some acute and ongoin explosion of rage. Rather, HBO's v ersion of kinslaying was stone cold. I'd imagine it doesn't leave room for regret and self loathing in same way we read in Dance.

I'm sure Varys and Tyrion will end up as cabin mates in the show. Should be pretty cool, I've much enjoyed their chemistry..and actor of Varys does brilliant job.

..But where did where do whöres go go??

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#6938
LPPrince

Posté 19 juin 2014 - 12:38

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Yes pls

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#6939
CrimsonN7

Posté 19 juin 2014 - 02:06

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I can't find much redeemable qualities in Cersei besides loving her children, which is really the very least one can expect from a mother so it's not really high praise. Outside of that she's a cold, remorseless, selfish woman who has little to no foresight when doing anything.

Oh yeah she is a colossal c*nt no question but I love reading her chapters. She's such a b*tch and her plans always always backfire on her spectacularly, it's really funny to read. :lol:

I wonder if/when Lady Merryweather will make her appreance, kinda hope they use her in the show as she was always at Cersei's beck and call in A Feast.