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[Eski.Moe]

They seem to be going over the top in my opinion. It's as if next episode there's going to be a massive flashing neon sign above his head saying 'INGENIOUS CONNIVING BASTARD'.
The greatest part about Littlefinger is his subtlety (even for Varys) and it seems that the show can't help but hammer the point over the head. His upcoming sexposition is a prime example of this.

[TJPags]

WeRtheBrox wrote...

Just finished reading the joust section.  I found it interesting that, in the book, it was the Hound himself that told Sansa how his face was burned, not Littlefinger.  And then threatened to kill her if she told anyone. 

Yes, things like this have been poor choices, IMO.  Now, that's based on what we saw so far.  I'm sure that part of the reason was time constraints (showing it as written would take longer) and also to prhaps foreshadow Littlefinger, who (as Addai mentions) has a part to play, still . . .

But it took something away from that scene, IMO.

[Catspaw]

Eski.Moe wrote...

They seem to be going over the top in my opinion. It's as if next episode there's going to be a massive flashing neon sign above his head saying 'INGENIOUS CONNIVING BASTARD'.
The greatest part about Littlefinger is his subtlety (even for Varys) and it seems that the show can't help but hammer the point over the head. His upcoming sexposition is a prime example of this.

Oh yes!!!

My biggest complaint from the first episode. The other things I can live with but this just irks me!  A big part of the fun of these books is slowly realizing what a sleezeball LF is. I don't like the heavyhanded dealing of spoilers. There is no subtle in the series.

[Druss99]

WeRtheBrox wrote...

Just finished reading the joust section.  I found it interesting that, in the book, it was the Hound himself that told Sansa how his face was burned, not Littlefinger.  And then threatened to kill her if she told anyone. 

I prefered it when the Hound told her, I thought it added alot to his character. I'm only a quarter of the way through Clash of Kings but he is one of my favourite characters so far.

[Addai]

I really like how they're treating Littlefinger, generally. The only problem I had with Littlefinger telling Sansa about the Hound is that it was scened awkwardly- it was obvious the rest of the people around them had frozen. But I think he's really fun on the screen, especially that scene with Varys. And... well, there's really not much subtlety about Littlefinger for very long. The TV series feels rushed because they are getting quickly to the meat of GoT.

[HoonDing]

Ned Stark comes off as bit of a major idiot in the last episode.

[Seagloom]

Tomorrow I get to see episode seven at last! The episode all you HBOGo viewers already saw a week ago. >.< Thinking back on Littlefinger's story time session with Sansa, it was a bad change. Early in the series we are shown Sansa meet the Hound before Joffrey spirits her away. It was a tense and frightful moment for her. Having Sandor tell Sansa would have built on that past interaction. What we got instead was a disconnected moment without much impact beyond establishing Littlefinger as something of a weirdo.

A pratfall of trying to give so many characters a share of screen time, perhaps?

[Brockololly]

Seagloom wrote...
Thinking back on Littlefinger's story time session with Sansa, it was a bad change. Early in the series we are shown Sansa meet the Hound before Joffrey spirits her away. It was a tense and frightful moment for her. Having Sandor tell Sansa would have built on that past interaction.

Yeah, that scene involving Littlefinger instead of the Hound kind of stunts the relationship between Sansa and Sandor going into season 2 where they interact a good deal more. Cause unless they add something, its likely they won't directly interact at all until next season possibly.

[Addai]

About to re-watch ep 6. They always show the previous week's on Saturday night.

I love the opener so much, both the moving map and the music. The theme music is such a cool combination of a folk dance sort of sound, with the little effects of swords clashing, gears turning, doors slamming etc.

Also... Harry Lloyd!  I'll miss you.  Sort of. 

Modifié par Addai67, 29 mai 2011 - 03:53 .

[Seagloom]

I saw it twice last night. First I saw it using On Demand. It was down all week and I wanted to refresh my memory before tonight's episode. After it finished I noticed they were airing it on HBO2 in twenty minutes. So I caught the end of another program to see it again despite being tired, sleepy, and having already seen it. Show has me hooked...

[Maria13]

I watch each episode twice too... And I simply adore the opener...

[Addai]

15 minutes to air time! I don't know why I'm excited, since I've already seen this one!

[Brockololly]

Finished A Clash of Kings a couple days ago and I'm wondering how they're going to handle all the extra locations they'll need for season 2.

*Mild CoK spoilers:*




So in addition to Winterfell and King's Landing they'll need:
- Qarth
- Vaes Tolorro
- Beyond the Wall, with the Frostfangs
- Riverrun (although I guess this will be in Season 1)
- Dragonstone
- Storm's End
- Harrenhal
-The Iron Islands

Not to mention just how increased the scale of things will be with battles and more magic. I just hope the sense of scale isn't lost due to having to work within a TV show's budget.

Modifié par Brockololly, 30 mai 2011 - 12:52 .

[Seagloom]

Addai67 wrote...

15 minutes to air time! I don't know why I'm excited, since I've already seen this one!

Because you get to watch it on a bigger screen? Maybe anyway. My TV is the same size as the computer monitor. I've been waiting all week. Four more minutes!

[twincast]

Brockololly wrote...

Finished A Clash of Kings a couple days ago and I'm wondering how they're going to handle all the extra locations they'll need for season 2.

*Mild CoK spoilers:*




So in addition to Winterfell and King's Landing they'll need:
- Qarth
- Vaes Tolorro
- Beyond the Wall, with the Frostfangs
- Riverrun (although I guess this will be in Season 1)
- Dragonstone
- Storm's End
- Harrenhal
- The Iron Islands

Not to mention just how increased the scale of things will be with battles and more magic. I just hope the sense of scale isn't lost due to having to work within a TV show's budget.

LOL, if there's one thing lacking on the show despite them apparently trying their best, it's an appropriate sense of scale anywhere other than *maybe* the North and the sky cells. (Well, and wolves, but I don't feel like getting into that topic again right now.)
Anyway, at least Vaes Tolorro should be rather easy (by the way, its history and downfall interest me way more than Valyria's, but while there's some possibility we'll get details on the latter, I harbor no hope for ever getting even a quantum of information on the former ) and most of the others probably only need two rooms and one outside location at most if even that much (think on a range from Pentos to the Eyrie in terms od season one), but yeah, we'll lose (in part for good) three fictional locales, keep two biggies and two smallies and gain eight; that could pose a budgetary problem, but doesn't neccessarily need to. Frankly, I'm more worried about the bestial CGI.

[TJPags]

Another well done episode. Won't go into detail (yet) as some may not have watched it in their time zones.

I'll simply say 2 things now:

1. Addai, I now understand your comment about the sex scene.
2. Ghost sighting!!!

[Seagloom]

That expository sex scene was gratuitously long. I had to lower the volume before someone thought I was watching porn. Once again Roz was used as a sounding board for an important character too. Someone needs to come up with a clever portmanteau for her role.

Seeing Ghost again was nice.

Tywin and Jaime's scene was great. I daresay that was this episode's highlight. I also liked the final chat between Ned and Robert. It went steadily downhill after that. Jon's scenes were good--especially the oath. Dany's stuff left me cold. Yes, even Khal Drogo's monologue. This episode was not quite as good as the last because it felt too uneven.

I need another viewing to get more detailed than that.

Modifié par Seagloom, 30 mai 2011 - 02:34 .

[TJPags]

I need to see it again also, Seagloom.  Luckily, HBO obliges by airing it again at 11. 

Re: Tywin's scene with Jaime - agreed, excellent scene.  Nice way to show some of the tension between them.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Good episode. But poor Ned Stark. I would really like to see his luck improve.

[TJPags]

ReconTeam wrote...

Good episode. But poor Ned Stark. I would really like to see his luck improve.

Umm . . . . well . . . . . yea, I'd like it too.

[Shirosaki17]

I like the fact that the good guy doesn't appear to win just because being honest and virtuous always works out. It doesn't in real life, not sure why there aren't more stories like these.

Still I think it was a mistake for Renly to flee without Ned. He should have tried to convince him to leave the city. Ned would have been a good ally to have. Or at least perhaps moved his army if he had one close to be able to take King's Landing quickly. Ned should have killed them when he had the chance.

I'm also not sure why Ned didn't tell Renly about Joffrey being Jaime's kid and not Robert's. Or Ned announcing immediately after saying Joffrey had no claim to the throne, why he didn't. I kind of hate little holes like these in stories where it only takes explaining something simple that everyone would do to change the story, but it doesn't happen to progress the story in a specific direction even though it's kind of implausible.

I also would have told Robert about Joffrey in secret. Even if he's laying on his deathbed he still should have known that wasn't his kid. That way he could have had Robert's blessing to do what needed to be done, and gotten any advice or help he could have from him. They were surrounded by enemies. He needed all the help he could get there.

Modifié par Shirosaki17, 30 mai 2011 - 03:13 .

[TJPags]

Shirosaki17 wrote...

I like the fact that the good guy doesn't appear to win just because being honest and virtuous always works out. It doesn't in real life, not sure why there aren't more stories like these.

Still I think it was a mistake for Renly to flee without Ned. He should have tried to convince him to leave the city. Ned would have been a good ally to have. Or at least perhaps moved his army if he had one close to be able to take King's Landing quickly. Ned should have killed them when he had the chance.

I'm also not sure why Ned didn't tell Renly about Joffrey being Jaime's kid and not Robert's. Or Ned announcing immediately after saying Joffrey had no claim to the throne, why he didn't. I kind of hate little holes like these in stories where it only takes explaining something simple that everyone would do to change the story, but it doesn't happen to progress the story in a specific direction even though it's kind of implausible.

I also would have told Robert about Joffrey in secret. Even if he's laying on his deathbed he still should have known that wasn't his kid. That way he could have had Robert's blessing to do what needed to be done, and gotten any advice or help he could have from him. They were surrounded by enemies. He needed all the help he could get there.

Well, you have to know, about Ned - he's an incredibly honorable man.  He has no army anywhere near King's Landing.  Doesn't have one anywhere, in truth.  You could see that in the way he didn't say anything to Robert about Joffrey - he'd given Cersei his word about it.  It's not driven home as much in the series as in the books, but there it is - Ned will do what he sees is the right thing, the honorable thing, no matter how otherwise stupid it seems.

Regarding Renly and Ned's conversation - now that I've watched it a second time, I'm not sure I like it.  Renly acted as if he either knew Joffrey wasn't Robert's son - the more likely option, IMO - or like he didn't care about it.  That doesn't equal the Renly in the books, IMO.  How would he have known about Joffrey?  Was there anything in the series to indicate he did?  In the books, he sure didn't.  In the books - well, that's a CoK issue, so I won't mention it here.  But he really seemed to be acting as if he knew about Joffrey.  And that seems odd to me.

Second issue - regarding Jon Snow.  He mentioned that he was sent to the Stewards as revenge from Ser. Alliser, which he does in the books, as well.  Except, in the books, there was a bit more interaction between them, and reason for it.  In the series, that interaction was lacking.  Why, exactly - based on the series only - would Ser Alliser have it in for him so much?  Did I miss something?

Overall, though, I did like the episode.  They do seem to be mixing the chapters well to give us continuity of characters per episode, while also keeping a nice mix of information and story progression, suspense and action in each episode.

[Shirosaki17]

TJPags wrote...
Well, you have to know, about Ned - he's an incredibly honorable man.  He has no army anywhere near King's Landing.  Doesn't have one anywhere, in truth.  You could see that in the way he didn't say anything to Robert about Joffrey - he'd given Cersei his word about it.  It's not driven home as much in the series as in the books, but there it is - Ned will do what he sees is the right thing, the honorable thing, no matter how otherwise stupid it seems.

When did he give Cersei his word that he wouldn't tell Robert about them? Is that in the books?

I get that he's an honorable man and everything, but he made some pretty big mistakes and that's why he's in this situation. I guess I just think it could have been played smarter even if he did go the honorable route. I guess I mean he seemed way too naive. Trusted Littlefinger way too much.

I figured the North has an army, or each kingdom has one. Is that wrong? I know it would take awhile to mobilize it, but Ned was outnumbered and surrounded by enemies. He could have left as Renly did. Would have been the smart move I guess.

I also don't understand why they fear the Dothraki if they have 40k riders, and the Lannisters have at least 60k soldiers. I'm guessing that's the biggest army out of the 7 kingdoms, but I'm sure the rest also have armies and those combined could defeat the Dothraki. Why did Robert go on about having to hide in their castles should the Dothraki cross the Narrow Sea.

Modifié par Shirosaki17, 30 mai 2011 - 04:33 .

[TJPags]

Shirosaki17 wrote...

TJPags wrote...
Well, you have to know, about Ned - he's an incredibly honorable man.  He has no army anywhere near King's Landing.  Doesn't have one anywhere, in truth.  You could see that in the way he didn't say anything to Robert about Joffrey - he'd given Cersei his word about it.  It's not driven home as much in the series as in the books, but there it is - Ned will do what he sees is the right thing, the honorable thing, no matter how otherwise stupid it seems.

When did he give Cersei his word that he wouldn't tell Robert about them? Is that in the books?

I get that he's an honorable man and everything, but he made some pretty big mistakes and that's why he's in this situation. I guess I just think it could have been played smarter even if he did go the honorable route. I guess I mean he seemed way too naive. Trusted Littlefinger way too much.

I figured the North has an army, or each kingdom has one. Is that wrong? I know it would take awhile to mobilize it, but Ned was outnumbered and surrounded by enemies. He could have left as Renly did. Would have been the smart move I guess.

I also don't understand why they fear the Dothraki if they have 40k riders, and the Lannisters have at least 60k soldiers. I'm guessing that's the biggest army out of the 7 kingdoms, but I'm sure the rest also have armies and those combined could defeat the Dothraki. Why did Robert go on about having to hide in their castles should the Dothraki cross the Narrow Sea.

It was a little more detailed in the books, but when he met Cersei in the garden - he basically told her he'd give her a chance to leave before he told Robert anything.  He is, in that way, a very naive man - honor is sometimes like that.  It's why he didn't and wouldn't leave - he had his duty.  Not smart, perhaps, but the right thing to do.

Yes, there are soldiers in the north, but not an army per se.  Standing armies are kind of limited in these kingdoms, particularly in the north.  He could raise an army, but that takes time.  Tywin Lannister had been doing just that, which is why he had one sitting there.  He's also rich as all hell, and so can afford to keep more men at arms at any given time.

You'll get more detail about the Dothraki - I think.  We do in the books.  Basically, understand that most armies in the kingdoms are not professionally trained fighters.  The Dothraki fight from the moment they can ride - all men of age are warriors, and good ones.  They'e on horseback, which armies raised in the Kingdoms won't be - makes them faster and more maneuverable.

Could the Dothraki be beaten?  Sure.  But remember what Jorah said - in the books, anyway, not sure if he said it in the movies - "When I came here, I thought them savages, and figured they could never threaten the Kingdoms."  Now?  He thinks differently.

[Addai]

TJPags wrote...

I need to see it again also, Seagloom.  Luckily, HBO obliges by airing it again at 11. 

Re: Tywin's scene with Jaime - agreed, excellent scene.  Nice way to show some of the tension between them.

That was an awesome scene!  Held very true to the GRRM tradition of making you like people you don't want to like and shake your head in disgust at people you do like.

The final scene in King's Landing was gorgeous and terrifying.  Lena Headey is doing such a great job as Cersei, and the little terror Joffrey is doing well, too.

About the sex scene... right?  Ugh.  It was just too long.  I gather that they're trying to show how f'ed up Littlefinger really is (no pun intended).  Dude has issues.

Modifié par Addai67, 30 mai 2011 - 05:05 .