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That would constitute fanfiction in his eyes, to which Martin is so vehemently opposed to. Granted, the guy has admitted that he does hold a rather austere view of the entire topic. 

 

He doesn't want people messing with his characters or his universe. Anything he's made will probably die along with him, since he's that much of a control case over his own universe. But you'd think he'd find someone, anyone that he trusts enough to finish the story with the major plot points and developments spelled out for them, and a list of who lives and dies (if anyone lives at all, though I think more people will live than are given credit for).

 

Yeah, I've heard of Martin's stance on fanfiction. Personally, I never really understood it. Granted, I'm not a writer, but optional content that doesn't affect me really seems odd. 

 

The entire continuity of comics would be heavily affected (for better or worse), as an example. As a huge Batman fan, I can't imagine how much it would suck if all these amazing stories like the Killing Joke and Long Halloween wouldn't exist because Bob Kane really didn't want anyone messing with the material. 

 

But this is also why I find his acceptance of the GOT TV show so odd, which he acknowledges as being its own separate thing. Couldn't the same thing apply to any writer hand-picked by him to finish the story out? I mean, I hardly think people will think highly of his series as a whole if it's never finished. 

[Halfdan The Menace]

No, she's in it till ADOS. Either Tyrion or Jaime is going to be the valonqar. Or it's going to be more figurative (Cleganebowl, Jon Snow, etc).
 
Of course, the death I fear most of all:
 

 
I'm terrified this guy will kick the bucket before he finishes the series, especially since he's explicitly stated that, sans the show, he has it in his will and estate not to let the series be finished.
 
He's admitted his health isn't the greatest and that, while he doesn't plan on making any 6 year gaps between books again (let alone an 11 year gap between 'important' books), he's stated it's possible GOT's entire run might go by before he puts out a TWoW.

It's rather offensive that the fans asking this question are more concerned about him not finishing the story rather than him dying. It’s like they don’t really give a sh*t if he dies as long as he finishes writing the books first.

What if he live to see 100 and his fans dies in car crashes/plane crashes or other accidents? he will have a new book series to write LOL

[FraQ]

Every man dies.

 

Not every man leaves behind a Legacy like A Song of Ice and Fire.

 

I just hope he lives long enough to complete it and that I live long enough to see him complete it.

[Master Warder Z_]

 

I'M THE RED GOD! And not just because of that rash!

[Ravensword]

 

Well, among the theorists, the current idea is that Tyrion isn't the valonqar, and that it's either Jaime (he was the second-born twin), or the Hound (being the younger brother of the Mountain). 

 

Eh, I don't know if you've read the books or not, so I'll just say that Lord Wyman Manderly of the North gets his revenge for the Starks against the Frey's in a particularly amazing way. Even Roose Bolton is disturbed by what he suspects Manderly did.

 

Theon/Reek might finally

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face an end to his suffering as well under Stannis' custody. Stannis plans to have him executed to gain favor from the Northern lords who are outraged that Theon sacked Winterfell and murdered Bran and Rickon. You gotta love the people of the North. From the Mormonts to the Umbers to the Manderly's, they all have undying loyalty to the Starks.[/url]

 

Not all of them do. The problem is that a lot of the 'good' characters aren't very genre savvy and make the mistake of believing that others will act as honorable as they will. The Tyrell's are technically 'good' guys, as are the Martells, even though they both hate each other.

 

And see, I don't particularly hate Daenerys so much as I hate how she thinks she's entitled to rule a realm she's never been too, without acknowledging anything about the realm if it interferes with the fantasy of how she envisions it, and has said tremendous messiah complex and holier-than-thou view of the realm. However, going by the books, Martin has specifically written her in such a way that she has no real outside perspective on her, and her counsel is a bunch of corrupt or cowardly sycophants to tell her otherwise. The thing is, I don't think Daenerys is all that stable. We only ever see her side of things, whereas everybody else gets an outsiders perspective. That says to me that Daenerys isn't as high and mighty as she thinks she is. But enough about this: if you like, I can message you further about this. Suffice to say, among the book readers, Daenerys is a very polarizing character. I think she's compelling, but I certainly wouldn't follow her. She's... got her heart in a good place, but I don't think she's fit to rule at all. Hell, the only reason she's so good a conqueror is her dragons. Otherwise, she'd seriously be a female version of Viserys.

 

Yep, I remember when I lived in Australia (or are you just poking fun at my love of Aussies lol?) I only heard ranga a few time. Mostly it was just gingah. I say this because I'm a redhead myself, and my hair is rather... brilliant. Seeing as I'm a redhead, I'm not much for them myself. I prefer light blondes and dark brunettes. But ****, Rose Leslie has sex with the camera everytime she's on. Ygritte will be missed. Hell, I've been mourning her since I first read ASOS back in 2008. 

 

It seems however that Jon Snow has a thing for wildling girls.

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It seems likely that he'll get involved with Val at some point... If he survives his stabbing.

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[spoiler]I really hope he doesn't end up with Daenerys, but I don't see a problem, considering that he'd probably go for the Stark way over the Targaryen way. I picture an argument where Daenerys comes, recognizes him as a dragon and Targaryen (if it's proven that he is one) and holds him on the level of her brother, to which Jon gets offended and tells her that he's more a wolf than a dragon, and seeing Ghost duke it out with whichever dragon Jon gets.

 

It'll be like the scenes in Dragon Age where Loghain talks about Maric, and mentions that Alistair is just like him, only for Alistair to decry Maric and say that Duncan was the only one he cared about. I picture a Jon/Daenerys meeting going like that.

Ah. I see. Well, I've never read the books and only watched the series.

 

I look forward to seeing all that unfold in the upcoming seasons of GoT.

 

Yeah, that's pretty much what annoys me about Daenerys; that she think she's the rightful ruler for a realm that she's never been to.

 

Not so much as poking fun at your penchant for Australian people, but I've been frequently hearing the word ranga a lot on Jonah From Tonga, that it's gotten stuck in my head, but I was hoping you'd recognize the word, lol. I'm guessing it's a derogatory word. As for redheads, I'm still a bit meh about them, but Rose Leslie is indeed photogenic as hell, and for that she's an exception... and Felicia Day.

 

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

 

I'M THE RED GOD! And not just because of that rash!

 

"baked into these pies"

 

Manderly is GRRM's self insert, oh god.

[Steelcan]

Was that the same host that was obliterated at Duskendale once they were forced to actually stop and fight the inexperienced, hastily scrambled army that you are saying is reminiscent of the army at Oxcross?

 

That's the probably with highly mobile forces, they can do lightning strikes quite well, but once they get cornered? They die and they die bloody.

the fact that Duskendale was launched by Roose for the purpose of killing off the troops isn't relevant?

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

Yeah, I've heard of Martin's stance on fanfiction. Personally, I never really understood it. Granted, I'm not a writer, but optional content that doesn't affect me really seems odd. 

 

The entire continuity of comics would be heavily affected (for better or worse), as an example. As a huge Batman fan, I can't imagine how much it would suck if all these amazing stories like the Killing Joke and Long Halloween wouldn't exist because Bob Kane really didn't want anyone messing with the material. 

 

But this is also why I find his acceptance of the GOT TV show so odd, which he acknowledges as being its own separate thing. Couldn't the same thing apply to any writer hand-picked by him to finish the story out? I mean, I hardly think people will think highly of his series as a whole if it's never finished. 

Maybe he's seen this: http://braingremlin....-of-images-is-a

[Master Warder Z_]

the fact that Duskendale was launched by Roose for the purpose of killing off the troops isn't relevant?

 

It's relevant in so far as why such a suicidal attack was launched.

 

But i'd not cite it for much more then that.

 

Point being though, Lannister army obliterated the band going across the gold road.

[Steelcan]

It's relevant in so far as why such a suicidal attack was launched.

 

But i'd not cite it for much more then that.

 

Point being though, Lannister army obliterated the band going across the gold road.

right, but they'd have never caught Robb's main host

 

if not for the Freys and their treachery he'd have slipped back up North through the neck and shown the Ironborn out

[mybudgee]

Gross

[Master Warder Z_]

right, but they'd have never caught Robb's main host

 

if not for the Freys and their treachery he'd have slipped back up North through the neck and shown the Ironborn out

 

The Ironborn controlled the most defensible stronghold possible to withstand northern assault, Moat calien, or did you forget that bit?

 

Besides, Do you think that Robb would have had the men to fight a southron army coming up north and the iron born at the same time?

[Steelcan]

The Ironborn controlled the most defensible stronghold possible to withstand northern assault, Moat calien, or did you forget that bit?

 

Besides, Do you think that Robb would have had the men to fight a southron army coming up north and the iron born at the same time?

The Crannogmen are loyal to House Stark, he mentions his plan to march through the marshes guided by them and hit Moat Calien from the north where it is much more vulnerable.

 

If the Lannisters wanted to pursue him through that land it'd be their own funeral

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

I still think that Lysa not declaring for Robb lost him the war more than anything. Many of the Vale Lords (Bronze Royce, etc) wanted to join him, and the armies of the Vale, plus their incredibly defensible position, would've allowed Robb to steamroll Tywin. He wouldn't have made for Riverrun in such a hurry because he needs to join with the Vale host first, which means that the Freys are no longer needed.

 

Could've gone the long way, joined with the Vale host marching from the Bloody Gate and fight Tywin at the Green Fork with superior numbers.

 

Tywin probably sues for peace and buys time to deal with the Renly/Stannis situation at King's Landing in exchange for Sansa. Maybe he comes back, but in the meantime, Riverrun is relieved and they (re)take Harrenhal. Frey probably joins in at this point, but they're just the usual latecomers in this scenario instead of demanding a queen. Balon may still want to pull his stunt, but it'll be easily repelled. The Northerners can go back through the Neck with the help of the Crannogmen, or go through the Vale via Gulltown to White Harbour. Theon won't be visiting Pyke either, so Winterfell is safe. 

 

Sansa is offered to Willas Tyrell to keep Highgarden in their pocket in case Tywin does act up. 

 

Of course, it would require Lysa not conspiring with LF, or her dying prematurely before LF can gain control there. Not to mention Robb would probably screw it up somehow and it makes for a pretty boring story. But still, the Vale was a potential game changer, no doubt.

[Master Warder Z_]

The Crannogmen are loyal to House Stark, he mentions his plan to march through the marshes guided by them and hit Moat Calien from the north where it is much more vulnerable.

 

If the Lannisters wanted to pursue him through that land it'd be their own funeral

 

So ultimately it all depends upon Robb having the strength to fight the Lannisters after possibly defeating GreyJoy?

 

Risky.

 

Especially considering that the campaign in the riverlands were all but done by this point, you are leaving the only path from north to south save ship or river crossing in the hands of the enemy.

 

Robb couldn't do much besides sue for peace, even assuming he won, he wouldn't have the position to challenge Tywin.

 

He would have effectively backed himself in a corner up north.

[Steelcan]

So ultimately it all depends upon Robb having the strength to fight the Lannisters after possibly defeating GreyJoy?

 

Risky.

 

Especially considering that the campaign in the riverlands were all but done by this point, you are leaving the only path from north to south save ship or river crossing in the hands of the enemy.

 

Robb couldn't do much besides sue for peace, even assuming he won, he wouldn't have the position to challenge Tywin.

 

He would have effectively backed himself in a corner up north.

Which when said corner is completely isolated from the South isn't such a bad idea.

 

 

If he got his army through the twins with his own head still attached, marched through the marshes and retaken Moat Calien I don't see the Lannisters being able to do much about it.  They could reconquer all of the Riverlands I suppose, but Robb himself, and the rest of his army would be homefree.

 

Consequently the Lannisters would likely then focus on removing Stannis completely, then perhaps on the Iron Islanders

[Master Warder Z_]

Which when said corner is completely isolated from the South isn't such a bad idea.

 

 

If he got his army through the twins with his own head still attached, marched through the marshes and retaken Moat Calien I don't see the Lannisters being able to do much about it.  They could reconquer all of the Riverlands I suppose, but Robb himself, and the rest of his army would be homefree.

 

Consequently the Lannisters would likely then focus on removing Stannis completely, then perhaps on the Iron Islanders

 

Home free until Westeros had a moment to recover, do you think the Seven Kingdoms would suffer being reduced to six? or five?

 

No, The Greyjoy rebellion would have been obliterated(like last time), and then you would have had a repeated of the riverlands, only going North.

 

Think about it Steel, the North is rough and rugged, there are BARELY any fortified communities or what i'd call a city or fort, most of what you have there is fields, villages and alike.

 

They would burn just as easy as they did down south, The North would offer some token potential for skirmisher tactics, but ultimately the North would end up being part of the seven kingdoms again.

[Steelcan]

Home free until Westeros had a moment to recover, do you think the Seven Kingdoms would suffer being reduced to six? or five?

 

No, The Greyjoy rebellion would have been obliterated(like last time), and then you would have had a repeated of the riverlands, only going North.

 

Think about it Steel, the North is rough and rugged, there are BARELY any fortified communities or what i'd call a city or fort, most of what you have there is fields, villages and alike.

 

They would burn just as easy as they did down south, The North would offer some token potential for skirmisher tactics, but ultimately the North would end up being part of the seven kingdoms again.

the trouble would be getting up there

 

the Crannogmen aren't going to let them up the marches, so that's a no go, and if Moat Calien is retaken from the Ironborn that blocks the only other route up

 

A sea-bourne invasion is too risky in winter

 

 

So short of storming Moat Calien from the South, unlikely, or marching through the Neck, even less likely, Robb's position would be secure

[Master Warder Z_]

the trouble would be getting up there

 

the Crannogmen aren't going to let them up the marches, so that's a no go, and if Moat Calien is retaken from the Ironborn that blocks the only other route up

 

Do you think those bogs would stand up to wildfire?

 

Honestly if House Lannister was willing to foot the bill for thirty thousand to defend King's Landing, why wouldn't they spring for a few hundred just to roast a few dozen miles of swamp?

[Steelcan]

Do you think those bogs would stand up to wildfire?

 

Honestly if House Lannister was willing to foot the bill for thirty thousand to defend King's Landing, why wouldn't they spring for a few hundred just to roast a few dozen miles of swamp?

because it'd be several orders of magnitude more.  And do we have exact numbers on the area of the swamps and such?

 

they;d have to transport them, risky, make them, expensive, on top of all the other debts they've incurred along the way, the Iron Bank isn't going to give them more money for sure to bankroll it

[Master Warder Z_]

because it'd be several orders of magnitude more.  And do we have exact numbers on the area of the swamps and such?

 

they;d have to transport them, risky, make them, expensive, on top of all the other debts they've incurred along the way, the Iron Bank isn't going to give them more money for sure to bankroll it

 

No, we don't but given they just have to burn their way from one side of the bog to the other, it isn't like they have to burn the entirety of the neck, they just have to make a roadway north, once the bogs give way there is no more need to burn.

 

Given the wealth of Lannister's i'd say they could afford it.

 

Crud even if they didn't levy it against the Crown they could afford it, Because if you recall the Alchemists guild WAS paid.

 

And transporting it is risky sure, but they would be so effective i'd argue it would be worth it, because once that crap is gone, its gone.

 

The Frog men have to come out to fight like an army, and that isn't something they apparently do all that well.

[Steelcan]

No, we don't but given they just have to burn their way from one side of the bog to the other, it isn't like they have to burn the entirety of the neck, they just have to make a roadway north, once the bogs give way there is no more need to burn.

 

Given the wealth of Lannister's i'd say they could afford it.

 

Crud even if they didn't levy it against the Crown they could afford it, Because if you recall the Alchemists guild WAS paid.

 

And transporting it is risky sure, but they would be so effective i'd argue it would be worth it, because once that crap is gone, its gone.

 

The Frog men have to come out to fight like an army, and that isn't something they apparently do all that well.

I still don't see it being a viable strategy, too risky in transportation, and if raiders get near it........

 

There funds aren't unlimited and they've already had to cough up for troops, alliances, titles, etc...

[Master Warder Z_]

I still don't see it being a viable strategy, too risky in transportation, and if raiders get near it........

 

There funds aren't unlimited and they've already had to cough up for troops, alliances, titles, etc...

 

Yeah, that's about the only issue with it isn't it? It would have to be SO heavily guarded, but if it made it to the field, the roadway North would be all but inveitable, unless if they needed more and then they would basically need to wait for more to arrive for the campaign to continue, so i'd assume they would need to transport a fairly massive amount of the stuff, i'd say those convoys would be so heavily guarded it would deter casual raiding, but who knows.

 

I look at House Lannister and Casterly Rock as basically the Kolar Gold fields, do you know how long the Kolar have been mined?

 

If you don't i will tell you, from the very year we now exist in, since before a fellow named Jesus was around.

 

They are the RICHEST(besides Hightower apparently which is more or less even with them) house in Westeros, and their fortunes skyrocketed once they were able to levy they own wealth via Royal debt, the Crown owes them millions, and they can use that in place of financing.

[Steelcan]

Yeah, that's about the only issue with it isn't it? It would have to be SO heavily guarded, but if it made it to the field, the roadway North would be all but inveitable, unless if they needed more and then they would basically need to wait for more to arrive for the campaign to continue, so i'd assume they would need to transport a fairly massive amount of the stuff, i'd say those convoys would be so heavily guarded it would deter casual raiding, but who knows.

 

I look at House Lannister and Casterly Rock as basically the Kolar Gold fields, do you know how long the Kolar have been mined?

 

If you don't i will tell you, from the very year we now exist in, since before a fellow named Jesus was around.

 

They are the RICHEST(besides Hightower apparently which is more or less even with them) house in Westeros, and their fortunes skyrocketed once they were able to levy they own wealth via Royal debt, the Crown owes them millions, and they can use that in place of financing.

They can sling around debt as much as they want, but eventually its gonna have to paid off, to the Tyrells, and to the Iron Bank, and since the ever wise and intelligent Cersei has already spent gods know how much on a fleet that was.... well you know....

 

 

additional funds to continue an already devastating and hugely expensive war all for conquering what amounts to forests and tundra

[Master Warder Z_]

They can sling around debt as much as they want, but eventually its gonna have to paid off, to the Tyrells, and to the Iron Bank, and since the ever wise and intelligent Cersei has already spent gods know how much on a fleet that was.... well you know....

 

 

additional funds to continue an already devastating and hugely expensive war all for conquering what amounts to forests and tundra

 

Well recall, that that fleet was not commissioned yet.

 

They did not owe the Tyrells a single drake yet due the wedding not having occurred and their loan from the Iron Bank wasn't quite as massive.

 

Basically what we were discussing if you recall was what if Robb and his men had not perished at the red wedding.

 

However note i never cited Cersei as brillaint, honestly about the only thing i found even slightly endearing in the character was her honest to goodness love for Jamie. She hid it, acted cruel, cold but ultimately even she admitted to herself, He was the only man she ever loved, still loved.

 

But as far as Rulers go?

 

Her Dad should have been King, he would have been even better then Stannis, but Stannis is the best Westeros has left to it...