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[Volourn]

Simfan: You disagree? Check that look she shoots at Sansa in the very first scene they are in. That's the look of a monster.

 

 

"VOLOOOO SWAAAAG -- What are you doing outside of your Obsidian Forum Cave?"
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I'm a GOT  fanatic. L0L I even read all 287 pages of this thread before posting in it. I've watched a ridiculous amoumt of you tube videos and read so many threads/forums about i. HAHA!

 

 

"I prefer the way the show handled Robb Stark's whole story arc to how it was in the book. I was more invested in what was going on and the Red Wedding hit me much harder. I also didn't like how the books didn't do much to hide the fact the Red Wedding was coming, whereas in the show they made it much less obvious. It made it much more of a shock to me (I was speechless for a long time after watching it)."

 

Can't say much since I was spoiled  for it as I mentioned in my post.  A nasty scene though.  To me, as nasty as the pregant woman killing one, that throat cut of Catelyn was ewwwwwww. Probably the 2nd grossest death imo outside of eye poppin' fun.

[Volourn]

Deny the truth all you want but facts are facts.

[MisterJB]

Did he just compare Arya to Gregor?

The guy who smashed a baby against a wall and then raped his mother with his brains still on his hands? The guy who kills others for snoring?

[Fast Jimmy]

Did he just compare Arya to Gregor?
The guy who smashed a baby against a wall and then raped his mother with his brains still on his hands? The guy who kills others for snoring?

Arya kills people for messing with her butcher's boy.


There's degrees of separation, to be sure. But given her age, the rate of acceleration as she grows to be The Mountan's age is worth considering.

What sweet, delicious carnage that might be.

[Volourn]

"Her morals are not all that removed from guys like the Mountain . It just takes time to emerge."

 

That's what I wrote.

 

The Mountain wasn't raping mothers and killing babies at the start either. He started small and worked his way up just like all psychopaths. Arya's progress is slower (Mountain was vicious with his brother over a toy) because of the good family foundation but it's no surprise she is becoming a cold blooded killer. Considering she threatened to murder her sister because her sister did what her father wanted her to do. In fact, it would not surprise me if Arya kills Sansa since that's what she's been planning to do since their very first scene in Episode 1 even though Sansa had nothing wrong.

[MisterJB]

The problem was never that Gregor is a cold blooded killer but rather that he is a sadist with zero compassion for other human beings who had the good fortune to be born with a freakish body.

 

The only people Arya has ever killed were either in self-defense, revenge or work.

 

It's the difference between Rorge and Jaqen H'gar and there is a world of difference.

[FraQ]

 

*SNIP*

it would not surprise me if Arya kills Sansa since that's what she's been planning to do since their very first scene in Episode 1 even though Sansa had nothing wrong.

 

Anyone who grew up with siblings can tell you that Arya and Sansa were just having a spat. When siblings have spats (especially children) they say things they don't mean.

 

Arya doesn't really want to hurt Sansa, it's just something she blurted out in anger, in the heat of the moment.

 

Don't take everything so literally...

 

 

 

The problem was never that Gregor is a cold blooded killer but rather that he is a sadist with zero compassion for other human beings who had the good fortune to be born with a freakish body.

 

The only people Arya has ever killed were either in self-defense, revenge or work.

 

It's the difference between Rorge and Jaqen H'gar and there is a world of difference.

 

 

I disagree...

 

I would say that Arya could well be on her way to becoming as brutal and heartless as the Mountain. The thing that separates them is that He enjoys killing, raping, and torturing.

 

At first Arya only defends herself and those too weak to defend themselves. It's not until Poliver that we see her start to draw enjoyment out of killing. Then we see this again with Rorge and Biter.

 

Later, she refuses to kill the hound. However this is not out of kindness or affection. She knows he will die slowly and suffer a great deal more if she leaves him there.

 

All of these things are signs that she's losing her humanity. Something Gregor lost long, long ago...

 

They aren't as far apart as you would like to think and she is moving in the wrong direction.

[DrBlingzle]

The thing that separates them is that He enjoys killing, raping, and torturing.

 

 

To be fair, those are pretty big things which make quite a bit of difference.

[Fast Jimmy]

"Her morals are not all that removed from guys like the Mountain . It just takes time to emerge."

That's what I wrote.

The Mountain wasn't raping mothers and killing babies at the start either. He started small and worked his way up just like all psychopaths. Arya's progress is slower (Mountain was vicious with his brother over a toy) because of the good family foundation but it's no surprise she is becoming a cold blooded killer. Considering she threatened to murder her sister because her sister did what her father wanted her to do. In fact, it would not surprise me if Arya kills Sansa since that's what she's been planning to do since their very first scene in Episode 1 even though Sansa had nothing wrong.

I know you don't care about the books, but they discuss how Gregor has constant headaches/migraines and hint that he may have a brain tumor that caused both his inhuman size as well as his psychopathic tendencies.

In that sense, Arya doesn't seem to have any pathological chemical imbalances to indicate she will be as completely brutal or insane as Gregor. But she doesn't have many qualms about killing, that I agree with you on.

[Some Geth]

You read the books now Jimmy?

[Fast Jimmy]

They aren't as far apart as you would like to think and she is moving in the wrong direction.

Wrong direction? I'm not sure we can really say it's the "wrong" direction, given how many people would kill her if given the chance.

[Fast Jimmy]

You read the books now Jimmy?

Not all of them, but I'm current with the show.

[Some Geth]

Ah.

 

Cool.

 

I am still waiting for that lore World book to get here.

 

Been like a month

 

Last I ever buy anything online from Barnes & Nobles.

 

And by "buy" I mean use a gift card someone gave me.

[Volourn]

"Anyone who grew up with siblings can tell you that Arya and Sansa were just having a spat. When siblings have spats (especially children) they say things they don't mean."

 

They weren't having a spat.  Sansa got praise for her knitting and Arya gave her the evil eye she's sued on actual evil people she wants to kill. Not a coincidence.

 

 

"Arya doesn't really want to hurt Sansa, it's just something she blurted out in anger, in the heat of the moment."
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She stated it days later in KL and only 'recanted' to appease daddy.

 

\Trust me, the signs are there.  This little girl is diabolical. That is the path she is going down - down the path of cold blooded murderer.

 

(of course, one could make the argument that sansa may be down the  evil path too... )

[KT Chong]

Sophie Turner (Sansa Stark) has been cast as the new Jean Grey in the upcoming movie X-Men: Apocalypse, confirmed just a few hours ago by the director Bryan Singer himself.

[mybudgee]

I'll say it: F*** the books

[Seagloom]

I see Arya going in a different direction than The Mountain. First off, I think she will have a much shorter life expectancy for reasons I cannot go into on this thread due to book spoilers. Secondly, Arya only seems to show sadistic tendencies when revenge killing. I can see her killing a lot of people with a cold, ruthless precision with zero ***** given. The Mountain enjoys murder and worse. He damn near revels in it. Arya is becoming increasingly detached. We only saw minor hints of it last season, but will probably get a lot more of it if GoT follows the books in that regard.

 

If she does end up killing Sansa, it will probably be because Sansa becomes Cersei 2.0 and has it coming--which I can totally see happening but again cannot get into due to book spoilers and hints of her arc for next season.

 

I do think Arya still loves her family, or at the least the memory of what her family was. I think she still cares about people enough to loathe atrocities. But she also has an increasingly nonchalant attitude toward murder that is gradually eroding her better qualities. We saw a bit of it last season with how her presence gradually humanized The Hound; while his presence reinforced her worst qualities. What makes that particularly evident is that The Hound on GoT was not a total dick to her as he was in the novel. Her leaving him at the end showed how much further she fell during their journey together.

 

Arya is definitely a monster in the making. She is a murderer with a few, somewhat fading, personal ideals instilled from her upbringing. Not a high-minded dispenser of justice. She is not Eddard Stark role-playing as Batman.

[Il Divo]

I see Arya going in a different direction than The Mountain. First off, I think she will have a much shorter life expectancy for reasons I cannot go into on this thread due to book spoilers. Secondly, Arya only seems to show sadistic tendencies when revenge killing. I can see her killing a lot of people with a cold, ruthless precision with zero ***** given. The Mountain enjoys murder and worse. He damn near revels in it. Arya is becoming increasingly detached. We only saw minor hints of it last season, but will probably get a lot more of it if GoT follows the books in that regard.

 

If she does end up killing Sansa, it will probably be because Sansa becomes Cersei 2.0 and has it coming--which I can totally see happening but again cannot get into due to book spoilers and hints of her arc for next season.

 

I do think Arya still loves her family, or at the least the memory of what her family was. I think she still cares about people enough to loathe atrocities. But she also has an increasingly nonchalant attitude toward murder that is gradually eroding her better qualities. We saw a bit of it last season with how her presence gradually humanized The Hound; while his presence reinforced her worst qualities. What makes that particularly evident is that The Hound on GoT was not a total dick to her as he was in the novel. Her leaving him at the end showed how much further she fell during their journey together.

 

Arya is definitely a monster in the making. She is a murderer with a few, somewhat fading, personal ideals instilled from her upbringing. Not a high-minded dispenser of justice. She is not Eddard Stark role-playing as Batman.

 

Mind PMing me why specifically you see her life expectancy being so short? I see a lot of people getting behind the Arya killing Sansa possibility. Me personally, I thought/think it would be Walder Frey she puts the hit on, not Sansa. 

 

I personally see all the Stark Children as surviving and using their newly acquired skills against the Others (Jon leading the Night's Watch, Arya as an Assassin, Sansa in political support, Bran as a Warg, etc), so it's interesting seeing how people differ on that point.  

[Seagloom]

I can later if you are really interested, but honestly it is totally conjecture on my part and probably waaay off. Plus GoT can go in another direction than the novels. The short version: I think she will end up going rogue and being hunted by certain benefactors given her disrespect for their rules--which I can only see growing. Seeing Jon again, even if she never gets to actually meet him, will probably be what pushes her over the edge. What she does with Needle is a symbol of her bond with him and unwillingness to completely detach herself.

 

I mostly agree with your assessment of where the Stark kids will end up, except for Arya. Rather than participate in battle against the Others, I think she will use the chaos to pick off targets from her list, in addition to victims of opportunity who fit her criteria for execution. I do not see a happy reunion for her. None of her siblings are likely to even see her face, unless she shows them as they are dying (not necessarily at her hand). It depends on how much time passes between her life in Braavos and that battle.

 

The way Arya is going, I think she will become a sort of... incomplete-spoilerspoiler where she gains certain abilities without fully surrendering to their dogma. It will be like a sort of physical manifestation of how the old Arya is slipping away until that person is gone. Arya is careening down a road into complete nihilism.

[B.A. Broska]

it would not surprise me if Arya kills Sansa since that's what she's been planning to do since their very first scene in Episode 1 even though Sansa had nothing wrong.

 

Really? Can't say I ever got that impression from either the books or the show.

[B.A. Broska]

Mind PMing me why specifically you see her life expectancy being so short?

 

I would not mind to know as well, unless of course we are talking about a symbolic death rather than an actual death (but even then she does seem to have trouble letting go of that little piece of Arya) as Arya has always come off to me as more of a survivor, sure a little hotheaded and often playing it a little too close to the fire but above all she has shown a certain resourcefulness and will to do whatever is needed to survive, just post it in spoiler tags.

 

Spoiler

as for her turning into a murderous killer like the Mountain I thought the house of Black and White was supposed to be a more moderating influence, while she is still impulsive and quick to give into emotion I always just chalked that up to youth

 

edit: ah n/m

[mousestalker]

Trailer for the next season

[DrBlingzle]

Awesome, but y'know what this trailer needs?

More stannis.

[Volourn]

FANTASTIC. Could have used a better song though.  Can't wait!

 

And, grats to Turner for  main stream role bonus!