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[Addai]

TJPags wrote...

Regarding Renly and Ned's conversation - now that I've watched it a second time, I'm not sure I like it.  Renly acted as if he either knew Joffrey wasn't Robert's son - the more likely option, IMO - or like he didn't care about it.  That doesn't equal the Renly in the books, IMO.  How would he have known about Joffrey?  Was there anything in the series to indicate he did?  In the books, he sure didn't.  In the books - well, that's a CoK issue, so I won't mention it here.  But he really seemed to be acting as if he knew about Joffrey.  And that seems odd to me.

Renly doesn't know about Joffrey, but he doesn't care because Joffrey is a little monster.  That much everyone knows.  Except poor, deluded Sansa.

Second issue - regarding Jon Snow.  He mentioned that he was sent to the Stewards as revenge from Ser. Alliser, which he does in the books, as well.  Except, in the books, there was a bit more interaction between them, and reason for it.  In the series, that interaction was lacking.  Why, exactly - based on the series only - would Ser Alliser have it in for him so much?  Did I miss something?

They showed Jon continually interfering in the training, and that Ser Alliser thought he was putting on airs.

Modifié par Addai67, 30 mai 2011 - 05:55 .

[barenas]

Ned is honorable yes, but also an idiot. His decisions pretty much set the stage for what is coming up next.

[Shirosaki17]

TJPags wrote...
It was a little more detailed in the books, but when he met Cersei in the garden - he basically told her he'd give her a chance to leave before he told Robert anything.  He is, in that way, a very naive man - honor is sometimes like that.  It's why he didn't and wouldn't leave - he had his duty.  Not smart, perhaps, but the right thing to do.

Yes, there are soldiers in the north, but not an army per se.  Standing armies are kind of limited in these kingdoms, particularly in the north.  He could raise an army, but that takes time.  Tywin Lannister had been doing just that, which is why he had one sitting there.  He's also rich as all hell, and so can afford to keep more men at arms at any given time.

You'll get more detail about the Dothraki - I think.  We do in the books.  Basically, understand that most armies in the kingdoms are not professionally trained fighters.  The Dothraki fight from the moment they can ride - all men of age are warriors, and good ones.  They'e on horseback, which armies raised in the Kingdoms won't be - makes them faster and more maneuverable.

Could the Dothraki be beaten?  Sure.  But remember what Jorah said - in the books, anyway, not sure if he said it in the movies - "When I came here, I thought them savages, and figured they could never threaten the Kingdoms."  Now?  He thinks differently.

Yeah on the tv show, he just said they must be gone before Robert returns from the hunt. That's a big difference.

Yeah I realized the Dothraki had the advantage of all having horses, just didn't realize they were so well trained compared to the soldiers in the seven kingdoms. Although, unless they've been in a lot of wars, I doubt their ability to strategize and use tactics in battle.They don't seem very intelligent. Also, they lack armor.

[barenas]

The Dothraki are like the Mongols in the 13th century. If they catch your army in the open field they will devastate you.

[WeRtheBrox]

Ned, Ned, Ned. Showing your hand to your enemy, knowing her capable of rampant deceit, political assassination, and the (attempted) murder of your own child.

Y U NO BRING BRAIN WITH U FROM NORTH???

I mean, seriously?  He could have still behaved honorably without being a complete nitwit.

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Modifié par WeRtheBrox, 30 mai 2011 - 05:24 .

[barenas]

Well to be fair to Ned, he didn't see Littlefingers betrayal coming.

[Shirosaki17]

Was Varys aware of what Littlefinger was up to? I wonder if he was truly being loyal to Ned when he had that conversation with him alone. He was just playing Illyrio right? I mean he wouldn't have sent an assassin after Daenerys if he wanted a Targaryen to return to the throne right?

[barenas]

Nobody knows what Littlefinger is up to, except Littlefinger. That's one of the reasons why he is the best "player" in the Game of Thrones.

Modifié par barenas, 30 mai 2011 - 05:45 .

[Addai]

Ned has a soft spot for kids, and it made sense when they showed him telling Cersei that he was worried about her kids and that's why he was giving her a warning to get out. The Mountain killing Rhaegar's small children has always haunted him and I think he feels a bit responsible for that. (*inserts small Jon reference* *sobs*) Obviously his big mistake is trusting Littlefinger.

[gotthammer]

barenas wrote...

Ned is honorable yes, but also an idiot. His decisions pretty much set the stage for what is coming up next.

Hehehehehehehe. 

Great series so far. I really wish each episode were longer...

Favourite characters from the series so far:
- Littlefinger (I never did visualize him so well when I read the books...and so I never liked him much. Now, tho'... )
- Tyrion (one of my favourites in the book. Great actor )
- Arya
- Syrio ("Not today")
- The Mountain, The Hound, and Bronn

Oh, and before I forget:
We Do Not Sow! Greyjoy FTW! Asha for Queen!

[Addai]

Oh, Osha was also great. I remember reading that GRRM was at the auditions and they were dubious about this actress because she's too young for the role, but that she was so great in her screen test that he started to think of the character as her.

[Obadiah]

barenas wrote...

Nobody knows what Littlefinger is up to, except Littlefinger. That's one of the reasons why he is the best "player" in the Game of Thrones.

Don't know how it is in the books, but in the TV series he seems to want power. He was kind of explicit about it with the prostitutes.

Modifié par Obadiah, 30 mai 2011 - 06:30 .

[Eski.Moe]

Yeah, in the books you can kinda see Littlefinger's deviousness at first but it isn't as pronounced as it is in the show. I mean, his betrayal caught me off guard in the books whereas they've made it more obvious in the series. Especially due to the fact that earlier in the episode, he was going on about he was going to act while the two ****s were getting jiggy with it.

[Eski.Moe]

Addai67 wrote...

Oh, Osha was also great. I remember reading that GRRM was at the auditions and they were dubious about this actress because she's too young for the role, but that she was so great in her screen test that he started to think of the character as her.

Yeah, I like her a lot. Though, I keep expecting her to change to pink halfway through the scene ;P

[HoonDing]

House Stark is the new House Atreides.

[TJPags]

Addai67 wrote...

Ned has a soft spot for kids, and it made sense when they showed him telling Cersei that he was worried about her kids and that's why he was giving her a warning to get out. The Mountain killing Rhaegar's small children has always haunted him and I think he feels a bit responsible for that. (*inserts small Jon reference* *sobs*) Obviously his big mistake is trusting Littlefinger.

Very much so, on all counts there.  He did not like at all what was done to the Targaryan children, not what was done, certainly not how it was done.  I always felt he harbored some hatred for the Lannisters over that, and I think it comes out more in the series than in the books.

Shirosaki17 wrote...

Was Varys aware of what Littlefinger was up to? I wonder if he was truly being loyal to Ned when he had that conversation with him alone. He was just playing Illyrio right? I mean he wouldn't have sent an assassin after Daenerys if he wanted a Targaryen to return to the throne right?

Varys is aware of quite a lot.  He absolutely sent an assassin after Dany - he had no choice.  Give him some time - you'll learn more about him as things move on.  Well, you do in the book, I assume we will in the series.  Wait for the conversation he has with Ned in the next episode.

[AshedMan]

I feel bad for Ned.

[LTD]

Chop off my oft glistening manhood and feed it to goats if I didn't just stumble upon something very interesting!
It looks like there exists a very well made Song of Ice and Fire -themed total conversion for 7 years old PC classic
Crusader Kings.

****Mod description behind following link contains spoilers for all 4 books****

http://forum.paradox...-of-the-Usurper

Having it's emphasis on building and maintaining medieval family dynasties over centuries,Crusader Kings is pretty unique and interesting game by it's own right.

Needless to say,such setting offers very promising framework for ASoIaF mod. Judging from family trees,detail of map and coats of arms alone,this thing has already seen some serious work/effort/love. Being able to poke about on Westeros map and check various family trees and vassal-liege lord relations out makes pretty good fan service.Wish I had time to give it a proper spin sometime soon:l

Just don't acquire Crusader Kings expecting some pristine climax of perfection; stock version makes completely unique,very fascinating and quite dysfunctional game:p

[Brockololly]

Oh man, the preview for episode 8

These last 3 episodes are going to be insane.

Modifié par Brockololly, 30 mai 2011 - 02:34 .

[Travie]

Brockololly wrote...

Oh man, the preview for episode 8

These last 3 episodes are going to be insane.

HHHHNNNNGGGGGGG

Wish there were more episodes, I could watch this series year round.

[Nerevar-as]

To be fair to Ned, if a certain idiot had not warned Cersei, he would have succeeded.

[WeRtheBrox]

Maybe not succeeded, but perhaps not completely doomed.

[Addai]

Brockololly wrote...

Oh man, the preview for episode 8

These last 3 episodes are going to be insane.

This next one was written by GRRM himself!

I think one of the reasons this is turning out so well is that GRRM started out writing for television and knows the genre, and he's been active in the production.  He did think that these books were impossible to be filmed, but we shall see.  I am excited for Dany's part in the final!

[twincast]

I don't know if the Tywin scene was a necessary addition, but it was a good one IMHO.

But having to endure the endless minutes of cheesy **** training, just to, when it finally gains a semblance of plot relevance two thirds through it, sum up LF's backstory, all of which we've heard before, some of it even more than once... What the ****? I didn't mind any of the other sex(ual) scenes before, but that was just cheap titillation and pure filler in a series that doesn't have even a second to spare on filler material.

Concerning (dire) wolves not barking and Ghost being mute: Well, of course it would be better if it weren't happening, but at least we got to see him again and it's not a deal breaker by any means for me anyway.

The rest was good, though, but there were no real highlights aside from maybe the final scene (and, okay, Drogo's speech was awesomesauce) and the brothel scene drags it way down to worst ('though still good) episode so far with plenty of breathing room to the lowest of the other six.

[Brockololly]

Addai67 wrote...

This next one was written by GRRM himself!

:O

Addai67 wrote...
I think one of the reasons this is turning out so well is that GRRM started out writing for television and knows the genre, and he's been active in the production.  He did think that these books were impossible to be filmed, but we shall see.  I am excited for Dany's part in the final!

Yeah, I agree- when reading GoT for the first time, the thing that struck me was how the whole structure with the chapters being in one POV and in relatively small chunks was sort of reminiscent of a TV show or movie going from scene to scene.

As for the books being impossible to film...having only read GoT, CoK and just starting A Storm of Swords now, I'm really interested how they'll manage next season, what with some characters like Robb or Jaime not having much to do while having to introduce quite a few new characters and places and events. They'll likely need to trim down or condense some characters but part of the appeal of the books is how they might introduce a seemingly minor character to have them become a major character later on, so you're able to see that progression.


And, oh symbolism- I just realized Tywin seems to be gutting a stag in the first scene- the Baratheon sigil.


And, while I haven't been super enthralled with the Dothraki stuff, I did like Drogo's crazy speech.  Kind of funny bit from an interview with Jason Momoa regarding that speech and how he got the part of Drogo- I can definitely see some of the Haka in that scene:

Were you approached for Game Of Thrones, or did you audition?
I auditioned. It took, like, seven months. I did an audition, and I  thought I did it pretty well, but I didn't hear anything for six or  seven months, I think. It went on forever. I think what booked the job,  apart from being absolutely fantastic and a great actor (I'm just  joking) is that I went in and did the Haka. Do you know what that is?
It's a war chant. I just thought, in the scenes I was doing, you don't get a sense of  what this warrior's like. What it would be like if he was commanding his officers, or what he'd be like in battle? I wanted to represent that,  and channel a little bit of my ancestry and heritage. I'm half Hawaiian. I went into HBO and I said, "Don't be scared or anything, but when  you're in front of a large man doing the Haka, you're going to feel it.  You're going to feel some energy coming at you." These two little white women were like, "Holy ****." People were  coming out of their doors and wondering what was going on. It really  sealed the deal. And it got me Conan. It's a great way to start an audition. My heart was racing, and I'm sure theirs were too.

Modifié par Brockololly, 30 mai 2011 - 05:52 .