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[Morty Smith]

 R+L=J

 

O + T + P

[Fast Jimmy]

O + T + P

 

If it turns out to be true, it would definitely give Robert's Rebellion a whole "Trojan War" kind of vibe to things.

[MisterJB]

Do you think

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Aegon

will be in the tv show?

Even in the books, that plotline came seemingly out of nowhere very late in the game and while the book readers might get some surprise at the revelation he is a

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Blackfyre

, the show watchers will probably just be clueless.

I don't mean to sound condescending but does the average viewer recall who was Rhaegar or why Robert rebelled? Altough, I suppose they might remember "You raped her, you murdered her, you killed her children."

But still, I expect the majority of them would rather watch Tyrion interact with Daenerys than

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Here's is Daenerys' nephew everyone though was dead, he will sit on the Iron Throne but oh wait, he is actually the last male offspring of a line of Targaryen bastards founded by King Aegon the Unworthy, Daenery' great great something because it's all a mess after Baelor Breakspear died in a tourney. They lead five rebellion before and after their exile.

[Il Divo]

Removing that plot line could be beneficial to the show. As it stands, I love Doran Martell's writing/character, but his actual overarching scheme just seems pathetic compared to what we've seen other characters engineer and partially it's due to the inclusion of the above character. 

[Fast Jimmy]

Given that they didn't trust viewers to remember Tyrion was married and his father forced a whole tower's worth of guards to rape her, but instead just go with "Tyrion is mad at Dad - that's why risks certain death upon escaping imprisonment," then yeah - I would not be surprised if entire plotlines like Aegok and the Blackfyres just get swept under the rug for more Daneryus boobs.

[Steelcan]

if they drop Grif I'll be angry

 

connecting the story of current Westeros to the past conflicts is pretty important, Blackfyres and all

[DrBlingzle]

Sooooo much Dance with Dragons in that trailer.

Yeah I'm getting worried with how much they're going to do in the next couple of seasons. As the show cannot be put on hold for the books to end (due to losing popularity, ageing child actors, etc) there is the very strong possibility that the show could end before the books. ATM I think they need to have all the plots and subplots, 

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(Aegon, Victarions journey, the sand snakes, etc)

just so they can stretch the show out further, have more seasons and give Martin more time.

[mousestalker]

They've said they know how GRRM wants it to end.

To be honest, I'm good with the show and the books diverging. If the show ends before the book series does, then that's on GRRM, isn't it?

[SNascimento]

I was rewatching HBO's Rome, which in many way is to Game of Thrones what the Roman Empire was to Wetern Europe untill the 17th century, and I got mad all over again that the Unsullied were not based on the roman legions, especially because they look so good in that show. For me they were just like the Triarii (pretty much the way Maximus fights his first fight in the Colosseum against the chariots in Gladiator). But 'no', said GoT producers, 'let's make them boring and common place!' Grrrr!

 

[DrBlingzle]

I was rewatching HBO's Rome, which in many way is to Game of Thrones what the Roman Empire was to Wetern Europe untill the 17th century, and I got mad all over again that the Unsullied were not based on the roman legions, especially because they look so good in that show. For me they were just like the Triarii (pretty much the way Maximus fights his first fight in the Colosseum against the chariots in Gladiator). But 'no', said GoT producers, 'let's make them boring and common place!' Grrrr!

Well to be fair the unsullied live in a completely different environment. There were reasons why ancient armies in desert-like environments didn't fight in Laminar plate armour like the legionaries: 1, iron was generally hard to come by; 2, soldiers would overheat extremely quickly fighting in steel plate in desert heat.

 

Makes sense for the unsullied to wear leather instead.

[SNascimento]

Well to be fair the unsullied live in a completely different environment. There were reasons why ancient armies in desert-like environments didn't fight in Laminar plate armour like the legionaries: 1, iron was generally hard to come by; 2, soldiers would overheat extremely quickly fighting in steel plate in desert heat.

 

Makes sense for the unsullied to wear leather instead.

True, it's actually just the shield and the sword I would change. The sword for the gladius (which is the sword the Titan of Braavos is/was holding btw) and the shield for a roman one. The armor is less relevant. 

[Seagloom]

They've said they know how GRRM wants it to end.

To be honest, I'm good with the show and the books diverging. If the show ends before the book series does, then that's on GRRM, isn't it?

 

This.

 

They plan to end GoT with season 7. The likelihood of GRRM finishing ASoIaF before the end of GoT's run when his publisher has already stated The Winds of Winter is not coming in 2015 is infinitesimal. We got that Night King fiasco last year, and I suspect we will get advance on Sansa's arc this year. At this point the only reason to finish the novels will be learning what happens to all the ancillary characters GoT cuts.

 

I expect they will remove any subplots that are not directly relevant to the overarching story. In a way, GoT is showing us how many old fan theories and seemingly game changing revelations are in reality inconsequential. I doubt we will see Griff. They have been mishandling the Ironborn for ages, and as far as I am aware have yet to cast anyone for Victarion or Euron.

 

GoT is destined to become the cliff notes version of ASoIaF, I think. After missing seasons two and three, I learned to get over it. I am glad I did, as GoT occasionally does things better than the novels despite other bits being butchered. No point in wishing the program to become something it will never be.

[TheChris92]

It's safe to say that I didn't much care for how the show decided to let the whole thing with Tyrion and Tywin play out and then have Brienne fight the Hound, while having Arya conveniently slip away from her in order to be at least partially consistent to the source material.. I don't think I'm in a hurry to watch the show again after that

[Seagloom]

I disliked how Tyrion's escape played out too. Especially after his awesome trial. That scene in GoT dropkicked the book version into another dimension. But I liked Brienne vs The Hound for its sheer savagery despite how nonsensical it was that Podrick apparently took a smoke break while Arya slipped away. They are moving a lot of chess pieces around to make up for a smaller cast of characters. Given those limitations deviations will be inevitable, and some of those deviations will not sit well with everyone.

[KingTony]

The Viper and The Mountain was really where I started to lose faith.

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Bad writing is that much worse in a good show, and with the way Oberyn Martell's arc ended it really felt like he was only ever introduced so that they could have someone you liked to kill off since Tyrion needed to stay alive a bit longer. The fight itself was pretty bad too, with that pointless bit of exposition tht actually got him killed. What was he going to do if Clegaine admitted it? Call the cops on Tywin? It was a pretty embarassing moment altogether for the series IMO

[MisterJB]

The Viper and The Mountain was really where I started to lose faith.

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Bad writing is that much worse in a good show, and with the way Oberyn Martell's arc ended it really felt like he was only ever introduced so that they could have someone you liked to kill off since Tyrion needed to stay alive a bit longer. The fight itself was pretty bad too, with that pointless bit of exposition tht actually got him killed. What was he going to do if Clegaine admitted it? Call the cops on Tywin? It was a pretty embarassing moment altogether for the series IMO

In case you have forgotten, Cersei's daughter, Myrcella, was sent to Dorne to marry the heir. Oberyn is a prince of Dorne, uncle of said heir.

Joffrey is dead and by the laws of Westeros, Tommen is the heir because, despite Myrcella being older, she is female. However, the laws of Dorne are different, they dictate that the eldest inherits, regardless of gender.

Therefore, you add a confession from Gregor that Tywin ordered him to kill Ellia, a princess of Dorne, plus Tyron who would have to accompany Oberyn to Dorne or be shived in some backalley in King's Landing. Then, all you have to do is crown Myrcella because, according to the laws of Dorne, she is the heir to the throne.

So, you have an heir and a confession that the queen regent's father ordered the murder of a princess of Dorne, that leads to a lot of angry dornish clamouring for justice and willing to wield spears to place Myrcella on the iron throne and let's not forget she would be married to the prince of Dorne.

 

Now, Oberyn is dead but all that means is that a prince of Dorne was killed on his travel to King's Landing which will still result in a lot of angry dornish demanding justice and war. While Myrcella is still in the hands of Dorne.

 

Oberyn was introduced to bring Dorne into the politicking of the realm and he was killed so that tension would grow between the Iron Throne and Dorne.

[Steelcan]

*sigh* the Ironborn in GoT.....

 

why

[MisterJB]

They've said they know how GRRM wants it to end.

To be honest, I'm good with the show and the books diverging. If the show ends before the book series does, then that's on GRRM, isn't it?

The problem is that it will spoils the book which are superior to begin with.

I mean, we already know who is behind the Others, thank you for that HBO.

[KingTony]

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In case you have forgotten, Cersei's daughter, Myrcella, was sent to Dorne to marry the heir. Oberyn is a prince of Dorne, uncle of said heir.
Joffrey is dead and by the laws of Westeros, Tommen is the heir because, despite Myrcella being older, she is female. However, the laws of Dorne are different, they dictate that the eldest inherits, regardless of gender.
Therefore, you add a confession from Gregor that Tywin ordered him to kill Ellia, a princess of Dorne, plus Tyron who would have to accompany Oberyn to Dorne or be shived in some backalley in King's Landing. Then, all you have to do is crown Myrcella because, according to the laws of Dorne, she is the heir to the throne.
So, you have an heir and a confession that the queen regent's father ordered the murder of a princess of Dorne, that leads to a lot of angry dornish clamouring for justice and willing to wield spears to place Myrcella on the iron throne and let's not forget she would be married to the prince of Dorne.

Now, Oberyn is dead but all that means is that a prince of Dorne was killed on his travel to King's Landing which will still result in a lot of angry dornish demanding justice and war. While Myrcella is still in the hands of Dorne.

Oberyn was introduced to bring Dorne into the politicking of the realm and he was killed so that tension would grow between the Iron Throne and Dorne.

That's interesting about Dornish law, didn't know that.

I still think it was a bit of a waste of an interesting character though. How much outrage could Dorne justify when Oberyn volunteered to a lawful duel? It seems like a strongly worded letter about allowing foreign dignitaries to engage in public fights to the death would be all they could muster.

[MisterJB]

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That's interesting about Dornish law, didn't know that.

I still think it was a bit of a waste of an interesting character though. How much outrage could Dorne justify when Oberyn volunteered to a lawful duel? It seems like a strongly worded letter about allowing foreign dignitaries to engage in public fights to the death would be all they could muster.

The argument is used but trust me, Dorne musters up trouble. To say more would be a spoiler.

Suffice it to say, when your prince is murdered, hotheads don't much care whether it was done within the law or not.

[Steelcan]

The argument is used but trust me, Dorne musters up trouble. To say more would be a spoiler.

Suffice it to say, when your prince is murdered, hotheads don't much care whether it was done within the law or not.

dem Sandsnakes

[jeromefiefdom]

I don't mean to start any flame wars, but am I the only one who doesn't like this series.I read all the books, which were good enough, but I don't understnad all the praise around the franchise.

[KingTony]

I can't wait to find out, hopefully Oberyn's daughters get to play an interesting part.

I personally chose not to read the books until Martin publishes the last one, I would be put out if he croaked before it happened and I was in the middle of his series.

[Sylvianus]

I personally have stopped watching game of thrones, after the last season. They killed Pypar, while he isn't dead, but he isn't the first character alive dead, but the worst is that they pretended that Sansa played alone the game of thrones without the help of Petyr, (didn't like how he looked miserable, his ass saved, while in the book, he is actually the master of lies ) and especially revealing who she was, Sansa Stark instead of Elayne! Oo !

 

That was breaking immersion because that was stupid as hell, there's absolutely no good reasons to reveal her name ! I just can't there. 

[Milan92]

The argument is used but trust me, Dorne musters up trouble. To say more would be a spoiler.

Suffice it to say, when your prince is murdered, hotheads don't much care whether it was done within the law or not.

 

You know what pissed me off the most of that duel? The fact that Gregor apperantly isn't that much in pain in the end. I bet HBO is gonna retcon it and keep him alive for another season because reasons.