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[Volourn]

"You have got one hell of a fixation there."

 

Huh?

[Dobby]

Long live Daenerys Targaryen, the true Queen of Middle Earth!! 

 

Edit: And Hot Pie!!

 

Edit 2: Westeros! I meant Westeros! lol 

[Andraste Take the Wheel]

Also Bronn is way cooler in the show than he is the books. That's what matters. 

[KingTony]

Every time you post here it's to talk about the Stannis' ginger friend.

[Volourn]

Only in the last couple of pages because it's about discussing Stannis b/c I pointed out some anti Stannis stuff. <.

 

 Neitehr Stannis or his ginger 'friend' are amongst my top 10 20 characters I pay attention to.

 

 I much prefer the Hound, Sansa, Tyrion, Davros, and a few others.

[Steelcan]

Also Bronn is way cooler in the show than he is the books. That's what matters. 

nah, he hasn't even trolled Cersei yet

[Steelcan]

But the fact that she admits she's at fault made me find her character at least a little more sympathetic than she was before, tbh. I liked it. 

 

She was still a bit of a b**** to him, but at least we know she wasn't entirely without remorse for it. 

but nothing came of it, it killed a few minutes of screen time but we got no great insights into either person beyond Jon having been sick as a child and Catelyn not being totally heartless, one we already knew the other "meh"

 

Additions like that aren't inherently bad, they are just pointless

[Johnnie Walker]

"The throne is even his *by right*."

 

L0L This argument is weak.

 

It's not an argument. It's a fact.

[Volourn]

Nope. The throne isn't his by right. It's his because his brother was put on a throne throw bloodshed not by 'right'.  The man who Jaimie killed was 'by right' the rightful king. LMAO

 

Seriously, if that's the reason people like Stannis and defend his 'right' to the throne it is rather weak.Vyseris 'by right' should have been king too. L0L

[Johnnie Walker]

So you're saying that the Mad King should have just kept ruling and burning people alive?
'k.

[Lucifer_AntiHero]

A king is only as legitimate as his subjects make him. Since all the lord paramount accepted Robert's rule/bent the knee he was the rightful ruler of the Seven Kingdoms even if he usurped it from the Targaryens by force. After all for the most part the Targaryens got that title in the first place by force. Therefore due to Robert's children being illegitimate, Stannis was without a doubt the rightful heir to the throne.

 

Now with the Boltons in the North and Freys in the Riverlands all the LPs accept Joffrey/Tommen rule. Therefore their lineage does not matter. Baratheon or Lannister they are the rightful Kings of the Seven Kingdoms for now.

[Steelcan]

Robert was an acceptable ruler because he was part Targaryen, his grandmother was one, that's why he was made king.

 

Even the entire dynasty is descended from Orys Baratheon, the (rumored admittedly) half-brother of Aegon

[Il Divo]

So...how does everyone feel about the fact that, after this season, the show is going to be a spoiler for the books now?

I'm skeptical about the show writers winging it from a likely vague outline of the next books GRRM gave them. Also feel George should have been the one to tell this story himself.

 

Honestly, I feel like it can only improve. Most of what I dislike about Game of Thrones is a direct result of Books 4 and 5 feeling sub-par compared to the first 3. In my opinion, Martin's frustrations affected the writing. But I also think a lot of Game of Throne's material translates very well on screen. 

 

I'm hoping that, with the directions of Seasons 5 and 6, the writers can fix this giant cluster-****. 

[SwobyJ]

I am not a book reader (I do read the book Wiki at times though) but I enjoyed Season 4 the most and I'm looking forward to Season 5. Same with my bf, I think.

[Han Shot First]

Long live Daenerys Targaryen, the true Queen of Middle Earth!! 

 

Edit: And Hot Pie!!

 

Edit 2: Westeros! I meant Westeros! lol 

 

Stannis Baratheon is the one true king of Westeros. The Iron Throne is his by right. Let all true men declare their loyalty.

[Volourn]

"So you're saying that the Mad King should have just kept ruling and burning people alive?
'k."

 

No. The point is that you seem to be ignoring there is no 'by right' here. This is proving by the constant war and rebellion. Stannis will be king if he takes it by force just like everyone else. Just like the Targaryens did.

 

Even his own brother didn't want him on the throne and Stannis felt it was okay to cold bloodedly murder his brother like a coward with a shadow baby.

[Han Shot First]

 

Even his own brother didn't want him on the throne and Stannis felt it was okay to cold bloodedly murder his brother like a coward with a shadow baby.

 

Stannis was next in line for succession after Robert (since Robert's children were illegitimate), so Renly had betrayed him and was attempting to usurp his rightful throne. Stannis is fully justified in having him assassinated. Renly had committed treason.

 

On a side note...Robb Stark, despite his tactical brilliance, is a strategic incompetent. Besides squandering a crucial alliance with the Freys just for a roll in the hay, Robb lost sight of what the war was really about when he allowed himself to be declared King in the North. He should have remained focused on avenging his father and destroying the Lannisters, and the best means to achieve that would have been to declare for Stannis. The North was never going to win the war on it's own, it doesn't have the manpower or the wealth for that. 

 

The Battle of the Blackwater likely would have seen combined Stark, Tully, and Baratheon forces attacking King's Landing, and possibly Martell forces as well. No matter how clever a defense Tyrion/Tywin mounted they would have lost against those odds.

[Volourn]

'next in line' L0L

 

\It's not treason. Stannis was/is King of NOTHING. He has an army of losers, psycho shadow worshippers 9he mass murders those who don't worship the shadow of red) and his greatest victory is beating up a bunch of nobodies in an ambush. Even Stannis realzies his murder of his brother was morally repugnant yet you defend him. A blind faith follower. That's pathetic. But, hey, religious extremists who worship the Red Shadow are made like that.

[Han Shot First]

'next in line' L0L

 

\It's not treason. Stannis was/is King of NOTHING. He has an army of losers, psycho shadow worshippers 9he mass murders those who don't worship the shadow of red) and his greatest victory is beating up a bunch of nobodies in an ambush. Even Stannis realzies his murder of his brother was morally repugnant yet you defend him. A blind faith follower. That's pathetic. But, hey, religious extremists who worship the Red Shadow are made like that.

 

Wut?

 

A blind faith follower and religious extremist? You do realize that this is a work of fiction we are discussing, right? I never knew that fandom of a character in a fantasy series makes someone on par with a member of ISIS. Thanks BSN. The more you know!

[Volourn]

Woah. Don't bring real world nonsense into this discussion. I was talking about GOT not ISIS. Why bring them up? Thanks BSN! The more you know.

[Steelcan]

Stannis was next in line for succession after Robert (since Robert's children were illegitimate), so Renly had betrayed him and was attempting to usurp his rightful throne. Stannis is fully justified in having him assassinated. Renly had committed treason.

 

On a side note...Robb Stark, despite his tactical brilliance, is a strategic incompetent. Besides squandering a crucial alliance with the Freys just for a roll in the hay, Robb lost sight of what the war was really about when he allowed himself to be declared King in the North. He should have remained focused on avenging his father and destroying the Lannisters, and the best means to achieve that would have been to declare for Stannis. The North was never going to win the war on it's own, it doesn't have the manpower or the wealth for that. 

 

The Battle of the Blackwater likely would have seen combined Stark, Tully, and Baratheon forces attacking King's Landing, and possibly Martell forces as well. No matter how clever a defense Tyrion/Tywin mounted they would have lost against those odds.

Robb could have easily won the war had they said this "Ok King in the North, now let's march back across the Neck and dare them to tell us otherwise"

[Andraste Take the Wheel]

nah, he hasn't even trolled Cersei yet

 

Book Bronn doesn't have Jerome Flynn being hilarious. Any point towards book Bronn is therefore invalid.  

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

Tyrion, Bronn and Podrick is the best BrOT3. 

 

If they had their own show, I'd watch the crap out of it. 

[SwobyJ]

Finally finished all episodes with my bf (2nd time for me, but 1st for him).

 

Bring on Season 5.

[bunniebean]

I just have to say i wish the show was more similar to the books. Not alot was changed but what was feels like big changes.