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I like Bronn but he'd make a horrible king... plus, that's the quickest way to get him killed.Right now the power players tend to ignore him... he's safer that way. :)

I honestly don't think he would make that bad of a king. While he's not as much of a bro in the books I genuinely think that he is much, much more intelligent than he first seems. One of Bronn's greatest strengths is that people constantly overlook him, dismissing him as a common sellsword but I get the feeling his cunning is greater than anyone, even Tyrion, gives him credit for.

 

Anyway I think Bronn is too smart to make himself king and make himself a giant target. Rather I think he would quite happily let an impressionable, not-incredibly-bright leader take the throne, all the while whispering in his ear, with no one the wiser...  



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I like Edd either way, even in the show. He reminds me of how I'd probably be in the Night's Watch. Cynical as feck with dry humour everywhere, silently hating everyone. Don't know about the book version, but he works for ignorant me. 

 

"Before I die, please. Stop talking." 

"If the gods wanted us to have dignity, they wouldn't make us fart when we died." 

 

Edd is one of the bravest characters in the Night's Watch, in my opinion. Even when the sh-t has hit the proverbial fan he still has that gallows humor.

 

During the battle against the undead, with the zombies poised to overrun the Night's Watch at the Fist, Samwell Tarly stumbles across Edd holding the Night's Watch banner, and Edd jokes, "Sam would you please wake me up? I have this terrible nightmare."


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#7478
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Finally a season with an acceptable amount of Stannis

 

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That was only 4 episodes in season 4, for shame


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Well, we know they aren't going to spend much time if any on the Iron Islands plot. 



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That's confirmed? So they are simply going to forget Victarion?



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According to the most recent Entertainment Weekly, they were going to leave out the Iron Island plot entirely. 

 

So yeah, it looks like Victarion isn't going to appear. It's pretty obvious though they aren't going to follow the books beyond broad strokes for the overall plot.

 

The issue of EW has the writers saying that explicitly, they aren't going to follow the books. They're making it an adaptation rather than a strict following. This is confirmed by GRRM, who considers the GoT universe to be a parallel (but equal) universe to the ASoIaF universe.

 

I personally don't mind, sans the work of the writers to whitewash Dany. They really want her to be 'the one', and they're talking about worlds colliding in this season, with some characters who are alive in the books being killed off.



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God can you bring back the Viper?


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#7483
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Uh, sure.

 

Oberyn shrugged off the crushed skull, laughed, and killed the Mountain by stabbing him. Then he stabbed Cersei. Tyrion laughed. Then Daenerys came on her dragon and screamed about 'FIYAH AND BLUDDDD!' Then her dragon ate her. Then Jon Snow came to King's Landing with Val the wilding princess and got married and had lot's of sex. Stannis became king. Tyrion then jumped into the sea because he was too cool for the world and everyone thought it was awesome. Then Jaime came back and has sex with Cersei's corpse. Then Jaime and Tywin started a band. Then Margaery had sex with Jon and Val in an epic threesome. Then Sam and Arya teamed up and fought the Others. Then Bran came and Bran's a pretty cool guy. Eh kills wite walker and doesn't afraid of anything.


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#7484
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Thanks God your the best!  I'll remember to put a little extra in the donation basket on Sunday :D


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Nah, just send it to my pay pal.


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One of the most annoying parts of the show is Dany Sue.

 

I love the ELEMENTS of her story, but I haven't seen anything that actually reminds her, especially to her core, that she isn't ALL that, and sowing so much chaos really bites back.

 

Maybe later on. The recipe is there.



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One of the most annoying parts of the show is Dany Sue.

 

I love the ELEMENTS of her story, but I haven't seen anything that actually reminds her, especially to her core, that she isn't ALL that, and sowing so much chaos really bites back.

 

Maybe later on. The recipe is there.

 

The most recent trailer for Season 5 gave some hope that Daenerys will start to be deconstructed a bit from her current 'Divine Paragon Crusader of Social Justice' role she's in. And that Stannis will start to have more presence. It seems that he will. 


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One of the most annoying parts of the show is Dany Sue.

 

I love the ELEMENTS of her story, but I haven't seen anything that actually reminds her, especially to her core, that she isn't ALL that, and sowing so much chaos really bites back.

 

Maybe later on. The recipe is there.

 

I honestly think she is the child that will be most like her father, even more than Viserys. She's the worst thing for Westeros. 

 

Granted, to the showrunners, she's bigger than jesus.


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Finally a season with an acceptable amount of Stannis

 

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That was only 4 episodes in season 4, for shame

Stannis. Stannis. Stannis. Stannis. Stannis. Stannis. Stannis. Stannis.

 

Favorite Stannis quote tbh, "Her own father got this child on her? We are well rid of her, then. I will not suffer such abominations here. This is not King's Landing."



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One of the most annoying parts of the show is Dany Sue.

 

I love the ELEMENTS of her story, but I haven't seen anything that actually reminds her, especially to her core, that she isn't ALL that, and sowing so much chaos really bites back.

 

Maybe later on. The recipe is there.

Chaos is good in this case, we are talking about cultures with economy based a lot on slavery. Time to bring them down, it´s clear they aren´t going to on their own.



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Chaos is good in this case, we are talking about cultures with economy based a lot on slavery. Time to bring them down, it´s clear they aren´t going to on their own.

 

Is slavery really all that bad? 

 

Honestly, I think Dany's causing more trouble than she's solving (which really isn't much, if anything. I have yet to see a problem sans Viserys that she solved). Her moral outrage leads her to do some pretty stupid stuff, and she's clearly ineffectual given what happens afterwards (hint, slavery still exists, and Dany even has to allow it). 


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According to the most recent Entertainment Weekly, they were going to leave out the Iron Island plot entirely. 

 

 

What a disappointment. Found it to be the most interesting aspect in A Feast for Crows. Ah well, we'll see how this season turns out.



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Stannis. Stannis. Stannis. Stannis. Stannis. Stannis. Stannis. Stannis.

 

Favorite Stannis quote tbh, "Her own father got this child on her? We are well rid of her, then. I will not suffer such abominations here. This is not King's Landing."

 

It's not in the show (yet) but my favorite Stannis moment is still:

 

Bowen Marsh: "Who better to command the black cloaks than a man who once commanded the gold?" (Janos Slynt)
 
Stannis Baratheon: "Any one of you I would think. Even the cook."

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According to the most recent Entertainment Weekly, they were going to leave out the Iron Island plot entirely. 

 

So yeah, it looks like Victarion isn't going to appear. It's pretty obvious though they aren't going to follow the books beyond broad strokes for the overall plot.

 

The issue of EW has the writers saying that explicitly, they aren't going to follow the books. They're making it an adaptation rather than a strict following. This is confirmed by GRRM, who considers the GoT universe to be a parallel (but equal) universe to the ASoIaF universe.

 

I personally don't mind, sans the work of the writers to whitewash Dany. They really want her to be 'the one', and they're talking about worlds colliding in this season, with some characters who are alive in the books being killed off.

 

That kind of sounds like a train wreck to me..... I re-watched all the seasons basically and I noticed a precipitous drop in interest in season 4 partly because of novel/story divergence *but possibly also other things)... so this sounds like that being ramped up to the next level.



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"Is slavery really all that bad?"

 

L0L Written by someone aka  troll who has never been a slave.



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Chaos is good in this case, we are talking about cultures with economy based a lot on slavery. Time to bring them down, it´s clear they aren´t going to on their own.

 

While I agree with your position on slavery & slavers, Dany does her show herself to be somewhat of a novice at being a Queen. She lets her ideals occasionally get in the way of pragmatic concerns, and it occasionally backfires on her. One example of that is with Astapor,

Spoiler

 

She may have freed slaves, but the city is arguably in a much worse state after her 'liberation.'

 

To be fair however her character arc is far from complete, and it may be the Martin intends her to grow into her role as Queen. She did after all begin life as a fugitive and exile and was not trained in the art of rulership in the same way Stannis may have been, and she is just a teenager when she first appears in the story.


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"Is slavery really all that bad?"

 

L0L Written by someone aka  troll who has never been a slave.

 

Eh, I'm in the military. Slavery isn't all that difficult to fathom. And I've seen it. I have actively fought against groups that practice it (though not for that reason).

 

But yes, is slavery really all that bad? There is a certain order to not having freedom. A freedom from freedom. Sure slavery in many ways stifles the individual, but it does show you your place in the world, and it allows you to fulfill a purpose. 

 

Not all, or even most slaveholders are shown to be violent abusers striking psychotically at their terrified subjects. 

 

And is Dany truly any better? She's probably the worst thing that can happen for the slaves. She hasn't done a single thing to help them (or show that she even understands them). All she did is get butthurt that it happens and decided to rock the boat of a system (a working system) all because she's morally outraged since the world doesn't follow her warped sense of good and evil. And she was terrible at it. She's so inept that all she's done is literally break apart society without replacing it with anything. In Astapor, outright war and chaos has taken hold, with an outbreak of bloody flux killing people by the thousands. And what does Dany do? She ignores them and tells them to deal with their problem themselves. Yunkai falls back under the same leadership as before after Dany leaves. In fact, all she does is ****** them off. Now they're gathering an army to come and wipe her out. And all Dany can think about is 'ARRRRRGGGG FIYAH AND BLUUUUD AHHHHHHHHH BLUUUUUUD OF THE DRAGONNNNN AAAAAAAAAAAA I WILL TAKES WHAT IS MINEEEE OOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHH **** ME DAARIO!'

 

And her utterly warped sense of justice.

 

A lot of the frustration and resistance to Dany is actually resistance to the idea that her ultimate success is being sold (by Martin, possibly (hopefully?) misleadingly on his part, by her fans, what have you) as inevitable. I for one highly dislike the idea of anyone being on an unswerving, inevitable path to ultimate glory because 1. it undermines the urgency of the story, because "well we all know what's going to happen" and 2. it puts Dany's story arc in the hands of some kind of — unearned, unappreciated — godlike power. It doesn't matter how much Dany screws up, how stupidly she behaves, how much cruel and unusual punishment she dishes out, how many enemies she makes or how many deaths she's responsible for, because in the end none of it will matter. The "higher powers" will take care of everything, and she's just along for the ride. That just leaves a very bitter taste in my mouth. 

 

Dany has perhaps unknowingly settled her own case, based on a plea she heard in Meereen. A woman whose family had been killed when Dany sacked the city had to flee her house and take shelter with her brother. After she left, the house was turned into a brothel. Dany refused to give the house back to her because she lost the rights to it when she left it. Based on Dany's logic, she lost the rights to Westeros when her family left it. But the rules she sets for others don't apply to her, apparently.


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Dany has perhaps unknowingly settled her own case, based on a plea she heard in Meereen. A woman whose family had been killed when Dany sacked the city had to flee her house and take shelter with her brother. After she left, the house was turned into a brothel. Dany refused to give the house back to her because she lost the rights to it when she left it. Based on Dany's logic, she lost the rights to Westeros when her family left it. But the rules she sets for others don't apply to her, apparently.

 

A house =/= a Crown or a Title

 

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A house =/= a Crown or a Title

 

PS.

 

Hello God! Big fan.

 

Thanks for bewbs!

 

Said House carried a title, a birthright.

 

So yes, Dany is being a hypocrite.


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Is slavery really all that bad? 

 

Honestly, I think Dany's causing more trouble than she's solving (which really isn't much, if anything. I have yet to see a problem sans Viserys that she solved). Her moral outrage leads her to do some pretty stupid stuff, and she's clearly ineffectual given what happens afterwards (hint, slavery still exists, and Dany even has to allow it). 

:huh:  <_<

 

Can´t believe you wrote that. And if anything, Dany´s problem is she doesn´t dare to go all the way, but if she really wants to solve the problems with that society, she has to. Sometimes is not possible to keep one´s hands clean, she should decide if she wants to, and if her cause deserves it. But no, sleeping with the "bad boy" is more pressing.

 

And the TV show looks like will be going down fast now. I don´t think I´ve ever seen an adaptation that parted ways with the source material that did it for the best, and they do it despite of still having books for at least 2 seasons before catching up.