Aahhh yes, crucifixion is bad, to prove this point, I will crucify you!
The city she attacked did crucify children, but the people dany had crucified where just slavers from the city. There was no trial or attempt to find out who did what.
Crucifixion is too much, true. I'd prefer she used the slavers as slaves to do hard work instead. Or better, kick them out of the city.
I guess slavery grinds some of her gears.
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Yeah, anything would have been better then the crucifying imo.Crucifixion is too much, true. I'd prefer she used the slavers as slaves to do hard work instead. Or better, kick them out of the city.
I guess slavery grinds some of her gears.
Crucifixion is too much, true. I'd prefer she used the slavers as slaves to do hard work instead. Or better, kick them out of the city.
I guess slavery grinds some of her gears.
Well, as crappy as what she did was, it still isn't really the main problem she faces. Probably the biggest is that slaver's bay doesn't have any actual resources, so without slaves, the economy goes down the toilet. This means less money which means less food which means people get sick, hungry, and die. Of course, I don't support a slavery-based economy, but if they don't find ways to make up for the lack of income from no more slavery, the cities could possibly be abandoned or considered unsustainable without a way to survive. This would of course cause a lot of death from people either staying, during immigration, or dying somewhere else after the cities die.
Then, she has to deal with the people actively undermining her authority which are made up of obvious ex-slavers. She either goes full-blown kill all slavers to stop it, finds ruthless ways to get them to submit, or find some way to placate them (unlikely).
The biggest problems with this is that any real solution would have to be done on a long-term plan which she isn't planning on doing since she does eventually want to return to Westeros.
It's easy to understand why Dany gets so much love despite all her mistakes. First, she is still a teenager, so it still plays a major role with the fact that people are lenient with her. She could still learn. You don't expect a 17 years girl ruling like Tywin Lannister or Ned Stark in the North.
Second, the world of Game of throne is so ruthless, sometime with behaviors disgusting, that it is obviously really really nice, and a nice change to have someone powerful caring about other folks like Dany. Seriously, sometime, It's a bit ugh, when all the good men loose and fall one after the other, while those a bit ugh remain... How many nice powerful guys do we have now ? ( No I don't really count Stannis as such )
So yeah, even if Dany isn't perfect, she still has qualities that people appreciate a lot, like caring about her people, and what other powerful men could lack in the eyes of others. Seriously, sometime, I was disgusted when I saw how the common folks were treated like crap.
The world burns because of her, but, hey, she tried to save people, to free people, do you really think that despite the bad consequences, her good actions would be so easily forgotten ? Seriously, when I read in dance with the dragons that Tywin Lannister would have probably burned a whole city with all the innocents and common folks ( children and women and old men too ) inside just to find only one guy, Robert, that made me like him less than I used to. Of course, even if it is really ruthless, I can respect this guy, but if there is someone different like Dany, who would never dare doing such thing to innocent people just for one guy, yep I am going to like her.
Her idealism, even if some can find it absolutely stupid can be shared and respected by many folks. I recall that this is this kind of idealism in real life that broke many disgusting systems in the past, sometime you need blood. It is inevitable.
Well, as crappy as what she did was, it still isn't really the main problem she faces. Probably the biggest is that slaver's bay doesn't have any actual resources, so without slaves, the economy goes down the toilet. This means less money which means less food which means people get sick, hungry, and die. Of course, I don't support a slavery-based economy, but if they don't find ways to make up for the lack of income from no more slavery, the cities could possibly be abandoned or considered unsustainable without a way to survive. This would of course cause a lot of death from people either staying, during immigration, or dying somewhere else after the cities die.
Then, she has to deal with the people actively undermining her authority which are made up of obvious ex-slavers. She either goes full-blown kill all slavers to stop it, finds ruthless ways to get them to submit, or find some way to placate them (unlikely).
The biggest problems with this is that any real solution would have to be done on a long-term plan which she isn't planning on doing since she does eventually want to return to Westeros.
What if the people just work equally, without having to serve some "master"? They don't have to be slaves though.
What if the people just work equally, without having to serve some "master"? They don't have to be slaves though.
Err....not sure I get the suggestion. Slaver's Bay got its wealth through the global slave trade; not any work the slaves did in Slaver's Bay itself.
As everyone else. Nothing is paid by "flowers and peace". There has to be blood.
None of these so called rulers were any better than Dany.
I don't agree. Many situations and problems have been addressed and solved without any bloodshed.
Just because the world of SOIAF is inclined towards bloodshed in its narrative, doesn't mean this is a hard set law of the universe.
Murder rate can be near or even at 0 if we tried hard enough. We just don't bother too. So often, the blood must flow. But it doesn't have to.
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What if the people just work equally, without having to serve some "master"? They don't have to be slaves though.
While they all serve the Mother of Dragons. 'Willingly'.
Turns out that Breaking the Wheel is easier said than done.
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I always knew God was a dick.
I always knew God was a dick.
I think it was more about the hundred and fifty plus children those men crucified simply to taunt her.I guess slavery grinds some of her gears.
I think it was more about the hundred and fifty plus children those men crucified simply to taunt her.
Crucifixion is horrendous way to die and she overreacted but I can understand how she arrived there.
I don't have the stomach for that level of human suffering.
I don't care that she crucified them, I cared that she crucified people indiscriminately then had the gall to care when her dragons acted like dragons
She's a disgrace to every Targaryen dragon rider that sat the Iron Throne, Aegon the Conqueror would weep if he knew what his line was reduced to, beggar kings and little girls too incompetent to admit their own short comings
I don't care that she crucified them, I cared that she crucified people indiscriminately then had the gall to care when her dragons acted like dragons
She's a disgrace to every Targaryen dragon rider that sat the Iron Throne, Aegon the Conqueror would weep if he knew what his line was reduced to, beggar kings and little girls too incompetent to admit their own short comings
I think Dany earns points for being the Targaryen that brought dragons back from extinction.
I think Dany earns points for being the Targaryen that brought dragons back from extinction.
maybe she might, if she didn't lock them into dungeons
she's a step removed from the Dragonsbane himself, no taste for using them as weapons or for show
"I honestly think she is the child that will be most like her father, even more than Viserys."
L0L Did you watch the show? Viscerys a psychopath who enjoys sexually assautling his sisster, pimps her out, and is just a plain old garabge. He would be as bad a ruler as Geoffery i or his father. Dani has her issues but she is not at their level.
"But yes, is slavery really all that bad? There is a certain order to not having freedom. A freedom from freedom. Sure slavery in many ways stifles the individual, but it does show you your place in the world, and it allows you to fulfill a purpose."
Yes, yes it is really that bad. I bet you wouldn't volunteer to be a slave. A slave, by defintion, isn't considered human. Just a tool. Just property. That is evil.
"little girls too incompetent to admit their own short comings"
\She's admitted her shortcomings quite a bit.
That said, I didn't approve of her mass crucifixtions. She even doubted her own choice when that son came to see her. So, it's not like she thinks she absolute perfection unlike her brother.
"I honestly think she is the child that will be most like her father, even more than Viserys."
L0L Did you watch the show? Viscerys a psychopath who enjoys sexually assautling his sisster, pimps her out, and is just a plain old garabge. He would be as bad a ruler as Geoffery i or his father. Dani has her issues but she is not at their level.
"But yes, is slavery really all that bad? There is a certain order to not having freedom. A freedom from freedom. Sure slavery in many ways stifles the individual, but it does show you your place in the world, and it allows you to fulfill a purpose."
Yes, yes it is really that bad. I bet you wouldn't volunteer to be a slave. A slave, by defintion, isn't considered human. Just a tool. Just property. That is evil.
"little girls too incompetent to admit their own short comings"
\She's admitted her shortcomings quite a bit.
That said, I didn't approve of her mass crucifixtions. She even doubted her own choice when that son came to see her. So, it's not like she thinks she absolute perfection unlike her brother.
Viserys was an entitled whiner, raised to think he was the culmination of all Valyrian and Westerosi civilization, and brainwashed in the Targaryen practices of incest and male domination
he was not crazy
Crazy enough to get into a confrontation with the Dethraki leader in front of his army and thinking he would walk away untouched because of his 'birthright'. The Targaryen 'birthright' didn't help his crazy father either. Yup crazy fits.
Crazy enough to get into a confrontation with the Dethraki leader in front of his army and thinking he would walk away untouched because of his 'birthright'. The Targaryen 'birthright' didn't help his crazy father either. Yup crazy fits.
he was drunk
I'm willing to call "drunkenly demanding a crown in front of a bunch of barbarians whom you have been antagonizing every step of the past two thousand leagues" a stupid and boneheaded move, but not evidence of insanity
Nah, the end of that exchange would be more like...
Uhm, you do realize Dany crucified 163 people, right?
That makes her one of the darkest characters in the books. She is on the same level morally as Tywin.
Without Tywin's competence or pragmatism.
If anyone would have made a good ruler, it was Tywin. Hell, he basically was the ruler of Westeros for years.
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