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In any case is Aegon even making the series? I had heard a rumor that he was cut.
I've heard "rumors" and plenty of people confirming that he won't be in the series but I've seen no proof. I personally doubt it as I think it would be likely that we would of heard at least something by now, but no one can say for certain either way yet.
Stannis certainly has flaws, but he's the best king we've seen so far. Compare him to...
Robert: A fearsome warrior and a great war captain, but a terrible king. In peace he cares for nothing except drinking, whoring, hunting, eating, or fighting in tournaments...though not necessarily in that order. He beggars the realm and surrounds himself with people who are actively plotting against him, including his own wife.
Robb Stark: Like Robert a great war captain, but not much of a king. He commits three great political miscalculations that ultimately lead to his demise. The first in allowing himself to be declared king, despite the entire reason for the north going to war initially being to avenge the execution of Ned Stark. Allowing himself to be declared king prevents him from doing that, as the north on it's own does not have the manpower or the wealth to seize King's Landing or destroy the Lannisters. He should have declared for Stannis, or hell even Renly. Anything except going it solo. The second is in sacrificing a crucial alliance with the Freys just for the sake of love. A good king puts the welfare of the kingdom before his own wants & desires. And finally in sending Theon back to the Greyjoys.
Daenerys: Enough has already been said about her misadventures in Essos in this thread that I don't really need to add anything here.
Renly: He had too romantic a view of war to ever really have a chance of succeeding, even if he had smashed Stannis' force. Tywin would have swept him aside. His knights were behaving like they were riding off to tournament instead of battle, and Renly encouraged that sort of behavior. Also he may not have been able to produce an heir which is absolutely crucial for a medieval king. Kings who die without heirs allow their kingdoms to descend into civil war and anarchy as the strongest fight for the vacant throne.
Joffrey: He's a coward, a twit, potentially mentally ill, and a tyrant to boot. He's easily the worst candidate of the bunch.
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Except for that time when he pardoned all the Lords that declared for Renly. That wasn't "inflexible of him. Nor was he inflexible when Davos sent Edric Storm away, in fact, he made Davos his hand on the spot.Lol, Stannis isn't practical. Quite the opposite he is exceedingly inflexible expecting everyone to adhere to his own moral standard.
Yeah, that would have been economically a poor move, but how is what he does with Mel hypocrisy? She is not a prostitute and not once has he paid for sex with her. You will note Stannis has a moral issue with prostitution, not infidelity. Get your **** straight.When he was on the council he wanted to outlaw prostitution despite the economic absurdity of it and the hypocrisy given what he gets up to with Melesandre.
Yeah, just like anyone with power. No one negotiates when they hold all the cards.He is completely unprepared to negotiate, it's his way or he will fight you.
Ok, this is really where you lose it. Easily manipulated? Ummmm, if I saw a lady give birth to a shadow right in front of me, and hand me an amazing victory and 20,000 troops from nothing I would believe whatever she said. That is not being easily manipulated, that is having common sense by listening to someone with real power.He is easily manipulated into believing he is Azor Ahai (which he is almost certainly not) even to the extent of conspiring to kill his brother using dark magic.
Probably prevented the war, yeah because everyone would beleive him, especially without evidence, and without Jon arryn being around.He knew about Joffery's (and Myrcella and Tommen's) parentage and could probably have prevented the war but instead he fled to Dragonstone.
Perhaps he would have, but he didn't. So yeah, you come up short here.He likely would have sacrificed Edric Storm if Davos hadn't smuggled him away. Renly had the right of it. Stannis would make a terrible king.
As well, Stannis does not see himself as Azor Ahai reborn. He sees himself as a man willing to do what is necessary to secure the throne. If that means being Azor Ahai, so be it. Stannis is using the title for his own ends as much as anyone else.
Also, according to the entertainment weekly, Varys all but says that he is looking to put Daenerys on the Iron Throne.
Also, according to the entertainment weekly, Varys all but says that he is looking to put Daenerys on the Iron Throne.
Hmmm.
Aegon is out then.
Hmmm.
Aegon is out then.
They seem to be planning on ending the series by season 7, so yeah. Aegon and Jon Connington would probably take too much time for them at this point.
Hmmm.
Aegon is out then.
I could deal with Stoneheart because I still don't see her serving much of a purpose at this point, and she really wouldn't fit into the show very well IMO but I'm starting to think too many things are getting cut now
Another little clip from season 5
Varys is too smart to support that moron in Slaver's Bay....right?
RIGHT?!
Varys is too smart to support that moron in Slaver's Bay....right?
RIGHT?!
Maybe.
But we all know the show wants to white-wash Dany.
Have you guys done the favorite houses game? I saw it on the ASOIAF forums, seems pretty fun. There are so many most people were just doing the major houses though.
Targaryen
Lannister
Stark
Martel
Baratheon
Arryn
Greyjoy
Tyrell
Tully
Frey
Favorite House? Tough one.
Really, they're all pretty badass if you look at the lore.
Greyjoy is about the only one I don't have a large opinion.
Stannis has best theme, not gonna lie.
Followed closely by the Stark Theme. It's so fitting that while everyone else's theme song is all motivational and upbeat, their's is somber and depressing.
well they already have once....
but if they are so damned insistent on cutting characters it won't as big an issue
I can't say I feel too strongly one way or the other, I'm starting to get so antsy about the rest of the series I don't care if a few things are spoiled at any rate.
The Aegon thing bugs me way more really.
Aegon and Lady Stoneheart are the only things I can see myself being bugged by if they're cut. Those aside, I think there's a lot to Books 4 and 5 that need to be revamped and I'm hoping the show can handle that.
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They seem to be folding the roles and aspects of major book characters into already existing major characters in the show, e.g. folding Aegon into Dany, folding Arianne into Ellaria, etc. I also think Sansa will be taking on aspects of Lady Stoneheart in the new season. They seem to be taking her character in a darker (literally) direction in the show and in pictures and footage from Season 5 her hairstyle and dress are very evocative of Catelyn. There are also rumors that she will encounter Brienne and Pod at some point this season, and that it won't be a pleasant exchange.
They seem to be folding the roles and aspects of major book characters into already existing major characters in the show, e.g. folding Aegon into Dany, folding Arianne into Ellaria, etc. I also think Sansa will be taking on aspects of Lady Stoneheart in the new season. They seem to be taking her character in a darker (literally) direction in the show and in pictures and footage from Season 5 her hairstyle and dress are very evocative of Catelyn. There are also rumors that she will encounter Brienne and Pod at some point this season, and that it won't be a pleasant exchange.
oh they are also combing her with Jeyne Poole, cutting Quentyn Martell, no word on anyone cast as a Manderly
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I don't think Sansa will take on Jeyne Poole's role, partly because Sansa is still technically married and is also wanted for murder by the Queen... and partly because a role vaguely titled "Winterfell Worker" was cast with someone who looks suspiciously like Maisie Williams.
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