I dont think she was lying. Arya is getting taught that the truth of who she is is a lie. That scene where arya was telling the guy who she really was and kept getting smacked and getting told she was a liar, thats straight up brainwashing.
I am shocked, SHOCKED, that a cult of death-worshiping assassins would brainwash a child.
Welp I think the this thing kind of jumped the shark.
I think there's a lot of weird and annoying things going on, but none worse than the fact that the way they've handled Sansa and Ramsay. That whole situation is just pure sacrilege. The idea that they should ever have those 2 characters collide is barf, and a product of the excess attention demonstrated them for fairly arbitrary reasons. I wish show creators would accept that a lot of the time a character's value stems from it's exact time and place, not everyone should be a focus just because someone "likes them," the question is, does the story require that the character be the focus?
Unless Aegon comes riding of the thunderclouds by the end of the season, I'm inclined to say this show has gone as far as it's gone. It'll still be popular and entertaining, I'll still watch it I suppose, but this whole continual uptick in viewers and excitement season to season and so on is basically at it's end I'd guess.
Also I'd be someone is going to remake this series again in like 10 years (with a more faithful adaptation) and everyone will be arguing about who was the best Ned Stark and all that.
There's a reason why they did that, though. Being a TV show, every new character they introduce is time spent with them, making the viewer familiar with them, and less time with characters they do know. Each season likely only has maybe 200 pages of dialogue script, while the books have 500+ pages of derailed and nuanced prose. The books can cover much, much more.
So the options are either cut or rewrite. Some things can't be cut but require new characters, events and explanations that would dwarf the show and cause other vital parts of the story to be crunched and minimalised.
So they took the entire storyline of where Jeyne Pool, a character we've never seen or met in the show, is the decoy for Sanda and who suffered cruel treatment by the Boltons, get cut. But they needed to tell the story of Theon and what is going on in Winterfell and they want to more prominently feature one of their star characters, Sansa, so they took out the part where she was a decoy and had her suffer the same fate herself.
That's elegant editting, in my opinion. They only have so much screen time and they are attempting to consolidate. Even if each season had twenty episodes they wouldn't be able to touch on every arc as deeply as the books do, let alone the ten each year they have to cram it all in.
That's largely how I feel about it. The storylines in books 4 and 5 are just overly long/convoluted to the point where I was happy to see they took Sansa on a "retake Winterfell" story arc. I can't comment on its overall success until I finish out Season 5, but thus far I think I'm more interested in this than having her waste time in the Vale. We need more forward momentum, and Season 5, while better than the books, still feels like it's suffering in this regard.
I was glad they chose Dorne over the Iron Islands to expand on, but in its current form, it doesn't feel like they're taking any time to flesh out the plot or characters. It's just Bronn and Jaime, whom we know and love, dealing with incidental characters. I'm hoping they at least expand on Doran/Ellaria a bit more before all this is done.
I don't want to say this because I love female badasses in my entertainment but the sand snakes talk and act like 3 power rangers.
Also Ramsay and Sansa should have connected somehow. Ramsay is a flat uninteresting character. No layers to him. Sansa has been crying for 4 seasons. To make him torture some more and her cry some more is just dull (besides gratuitous shock value, etc etc).
In my opinion Sansa should have gotten some skills from Granny Tyrell during her time in King's Landing (seems to me all those walks by the garden and conversations with Granny and Margaery were pointless filler if they didn't influence Sansa). Then she starts to give Littlefinger some trouble. He finds she's not as easy to manipulate as before. This is just to show viewers Sansa has grown. She manages to tame Ramsay to some extent - just enough to avoid a brutal rape, the way Margaery influenced Joffrey - and makes Zeon snap out of it.
But that's the thing -- your "character" doesn't have much to do with whether or not you're a pawn of sadistic psychos. In any event, Sansa knew what she was getting into with the marriage. Not that she had any high-percentage alternatives, of course.
It kind of does actually. We have the whole development from last season and early on in this season about how Sansa is no longer a pawn, and we have the visual and psychological transformation of Sansa into something greater. And then it retracts on that front to show Sansa back to being the plaything of yet another psycho.
Sansa really didn't have any knowledge of what she was getting into, and as you say, she didn't have much of a choice if she did. She knew what her father-in-law was, and she had a vague idea that Ramsay was definitely someone who didn't fall far from the tree, but I think she wasn't quite prepared for just how brutal that he really was.
So "character" here means something more like her role in the story, rather than her personal psychological attributes, right?
I was glad they chose Dorne over the Iron Islands to expand on, but in its current form, it doesn't feel like they're taking any time to flesh out the plot or characters. It's just Bronn and Jaime, whom we know and love, dealing with incidental characters. I'm hoping they at least expand on Doran/Ellaria a bit more before all this is done.
0/10 not enough Cthulhu worshiping vikings
0/10 not enough Cthulhu worshiping vikings
Cthulhu worshipping vikings are **** tier tho.
"What is dead may never die but we got our asses handed to us again...."
Cthulhu worshipping vikings are **** tier tho.
"What is dead may never die but we got our asses handed to us again...."
but then they will rise again! Harder and stronger!
the Crow's Eye will show you all!
They speak of the iron price, but the Tyrell's have a better attitude and a prettier family heraldry.
nah
denizens of the deep > some shrubbery
but then they will rise again! Harder and stronger!
the Crow's Eye will show you all!
Nah. They'll just get swatted down again. As it should be.
The time for Fantasy! Vikings has passed.
Now is the age of Sexposition.
Even Olenna doesn't like her house's saying and heraldry. For the Ironborn, it's pretty much all they got going for them.
I don't want to say this because I love female badasses in my entertainment but the sand snakes talk and act like 3 power rangers.
Also Ramsay and Sansa should have connected somehow. Ramsay is a flat uninteresting character. No layers to him. Sansa has been crying for 4 seasons. To make him torture some more and her cry some more is just dull (besides gratuitous shock value, etc etc).
In my opinion Sansa should have gotten some skills from Granny Tyrell during her time in King's Landing (seems to me all those walks by the garden and conversations with Granny and Margaery were pointless filler if they didn't influence Sansa). Then she starts to give Littlefinger some trouble. He finds she's not as easy to manipulate as before. This is just to show viewers Sansa has grown. She manages to tame Ramsay to some extent - just enough to avoid a brutal rape, the way Margaery influenced Joffrey - and makes Zeon snap out of it.
never underestimate the power rangers. NEVER.
I don't want to say this because I love female badasses in my entertainment but the sand snakes talk and act like 3 power rangers.
Also Ramsay and Sansa should have connected somehow. Ramsay is a flat uninteresting character. No layers to him. Sansa has been crying for 4 seasons. To make him torture some more and her cry some more is just dull (besides gratuitous shock value, etc etc).
In my opinion Sansa should have gotten some skills from Granny Tyrell during her time in King's Landing (seems to me all those walks by the garden and conversations with Granny and Margaery were pointless filler if they didn't influence Sansa). Then she starts to give Littlefinger some trouble. He finds she's not as easy to manipulate as before. This is just to show viewers Sansa has grown. She manages to tame Ramsay to some extent - just enough to avoid a brutal rape, the way Margaery influenced Joffrey - and makes Zeon snap out of it.
as I said earlier, why are people so convinced Sansa will get out of this cycle?
but then they will rise again! Harder and stronger!
the Crow's Eye will show you all!
WHAT IS DEAD MAY NEVER DIE
as I said earlier, why are people so convinced Sansa will get out of this cycle?
Because narratively, her story has to go somewhere. Otherwise, what would be the point of telling the story? She'd be like every other lowborn in Westeros, with a story not really worth telling.
Because narratively, her story has to go somewhere. Otherwise, what would be the point of telling the story? She'd be like every other lowborn in Westeros, with a story not really worth telling.
But if she has barely changed since season 1 (and she really hasn't changed much at all) why would it all of a sudden kick in now?
They wanna do growth through rape? Did they not see the explosion of feminist rage when Tomb Raider came out
That poor knight.
He can never unsee what he sees.
That poor knight.
He can never unsee what he sees.
a crusty *******?
Oh god maybe he saw Robert's *******.
UHGUNGH
I can't sleep with that image
Because narratively, her story has to go somewhere. Otherwise, what would be the point of telling the story? She'd be like every other lowborn in Westeros, with a story not really worth telling.
That sounds like something David would say.
No, he didn't go off about heroism at all.
as I said earlier, why are people so convinced Sansa will get out of this cycle?
Well, the next episodes preview does seem to hint to some extent that Sansa will be somewhat pro-active (she's seen speaking to Theon about rallying the North against the Boltons).
I guess they could mess with our expectations (kinda like what happened with Oberyn), but I think in this case the plot point would be more stale.
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