I really hope Dany is a mad, insane villain in the end.
She's going to end up in Westeros. Otherwise, there was no point to telling her story at all.
I hate when stories build up characters to be infallible in the manner that Dany Sue has been portrayed.
So I noticed in all the controversy I don't think anyone has mentioned Hawke's magnificent little cameo.
Hawke's VA was in the last episode?
Hawke's VA was in the last episode?
yes he was the announcer at the fights in the Arena
I really hope Dany is a mad, insane villain in the end.
She's going to end up in Westeros. Otherwise, there was no point to telling her story at all.
I hate when stories build up characters to be infallible in the manner that Dany Sue has been portrayed.
I'm fine with that so long as she burns Westeros to the ground. At this point I just want entire populations to be reduced to cinders.
I'm fine with that so long as she burns Westeros to the ground. At this point I just want entire populations to be reduced to cinders.
I really hope Dany is a mad, insane villain in the end.
She's going to end up in Westeros. Otherwise, there was no point to telling her story at all.
I hate when stories build up characters to be infallible in the manner that Dany Sue has been portrayed.
So much hate on her. 
I'm content with her simply returning to Westeros and not letting Targaryen bloodline go extinct. I mean I want more for her, but this is enough.
yes he was the announcer at the fights in the Arena
If they really want to hammer home the "Anything can happen/ Anyone can die" idea then they'd have the characters with the best plot armour snuff it in the last episode (a/k/a Reek, Ramsay and Stannis). But that isn't likely to happen.
That being said, if Ramsay were to trip and fall down a flight of stairs, I'd laugh. He deserves a banal death.
That would be some sauce of awe.
Ramsay and Stannis are probably going to die. Ramsay is just Extreme Joffery and I can't see Stannis succeeding in the story really. 5 books and huge tv show just to go back to Baratheons on the throne and return to the status quo? Really doubt that.
The likely point of that whole scene was to make people not feel bad when Stannis hits the bucket.
I wouldn't say that Ramsay is so much extreme Joffrey than he's smarter Joffrey, though I suppose it's the same difference now that I think about it.
I hate when stories build up characters to be infallible in the manner that Dany Sue has been portrayed.
I wouldn't say that Ramsay is so much extreme Joffrey than he's smarter Joffrey, though I suppose it's the same difference now that I think about it.
Well, it's official. All of the people going for the throne are psychopaths who will lead to the demise of Westoros.
She dies in a different location and at a different time? Sure. What would that change?OR
its going to happen in a different context, since Shireen is currently very far away from Stannis, as is Melisandre
but please, do continue to go on about how you know everything
She dies in a different location and at a different time? Sure. What would that change?
Stannis's character.
Stannis's character.
Yeah, now we now that there isn't really anything that will stop Westoros from burning no matter who wins.
Stannis will do it for religion
Dany will do it because dragons
Boltons will do it for the lols
My point is that up until now, I've been convinced that Jon is Azor Ahai. But now I'm not so sure. Ygritte is his Nissa Nissa, but we have nothing but Jon's survivor's guilt to suggest that his was the arrow that actually slew her - in the chaos of the nighttime raid on Castle Black there's no way to know.
Actually in the books:
Stannis's character.
Drogon was the best part of the last episode.
So you're assuming not only that she dies in a different time and place, but for different reasons. On what evidence? All I've seen so far is wishful thinking.
It's physically impossible for Shireen to die at the same time and place in the books. It's a long way to Castle Black and any progress is going to be slowed by the weather. By the time Stannis next has the opprotunity to see Shireen the Battle for Winterfell will already have been decided as I've pointed out.
So unless Melisandre burns Shireen of her own accord (it's very unlikely Stannis would send a letter ordering it) Shireen won't die to clear up the weather so Stannis can take Winterfell. So a different reason is very likely.
So you're assuming not only that she dies in a different time and place, but for different reasons. On what evidence? All I've seen so far is wishful thinking.
I think the point is since events are unfolding differently in the tv show than in the books, the circumstances of her death in the book could be different.
The events in the tv show make no sense given Stannis's portrayal in the books. So yes it is entirely possible that she dies under different circumstances, as we already know both the time and place are different. I think it goes beyond "wishful thinking" and is well within the realm of "reasonable extrapolation"
No what those different circumstances may be is another question entirely. There is certainly no guarantee that Stannis fans will be any happier with what GRRM does with it.
Actually in the books:
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Oh, huh, I guess I forgot that detail. That makes that even more interesting then. In a metaphorical sense he still killed her, but it's not quite the same dramatic sacrifice as the forging of Lightbringer.
I dunno, in all likelihood Jon probably is Azor Ahai and he is one and the same as the other two. But I'm in the bargaining stage of grief here.
It's physically impossible for Shireen to die at the same time and place in the books. It's a long way to Castle Black and any progress is going to be slowed by the weather. By the time Stannis next has the opprotunity to see Shireen the Battle for Winterfell will already have been decided as I've pointed out.
So unless Melisandre burns Shireen of her own accord (it's very unlikely Stannis would send a letter ordering it) Shireen won't die to clear up the weather so Stannis can take Winterfell. So a different reason is very likely.
There are two possibilities - either Stannis has already given this order (and his orders in TWOW preview chapter are a ruse), or he loses the Battle of Winterfell.
It's effectively impossible it happens in the books as it did in the show. But I -do- think it's wishful thinking that the broad strokes aren't accurate.
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