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[grimkillah]

TJPags wrote...
Wow, do you have a completely different read on her than ANYone I've ever seen.

Not to get too spoilery here, but:

Who do you think killed Jon Arryn?  Did you miss that piece with Jaime and Cersei in the beginning of episode 1?  And everything about it in the book?

Did you miss that Cersei was involved in an adulturous, incestuous relationship with her brother?

Did you miss that Joffrey is raised by and surrounded by Lannisters, when he is rightly a Baratheon?

Did you miss that it wasn't Cersei who wanted to marry Sansa to Joffrey, but Robert?

While I agree Catelyn was wrong, did you miss that Ned had the absolute authority to have ordered Cat to capture Tyrion?  While he didn't actually give that order, he said he did - the only one who can countermand that is the King, not Cersei.

I'll also point out that hatred of Cersei is seriously validated in later books, even if you feel it's not validated in book 1.

Jon Arryn - I have not seen any proof that it was Jaime and Cersei who killed him. Just because we seen them discussing his death doesn't mean there are any overwhelming evidence that it was them who did it.

Incest - I don't get it, two consenting adults in a loving relationship, what is wrong with that. I have no problem with incest personally. As for the adultery, Robert broke the marriage vow first, Cersei have right to revenge.

Joffrey - why is the fact that Joffrey’s upbringing translates to the evilness of Cersei.

Sansa - Did you miss the conversation Cersei had with Joffrey, pointing out to him that North cannot be conquered, and better off marrying them than a fight.

Tyrion - Robert did countermand that order, and yet Ned did nothing.

As for her development after book 1, I will wait and see, but right now, I feel Cersei is the only good character in the book/season one. The only thing I can remember when Cersei disappointed me is when she dismissed Ser Barristan Selmy, I believe this was a mistake. A knight of his skill and reputation should be part of her entourage, and if he cannot be used, then he must be killed off quickly, preferably poison to look like he passed away due to old age. Instead however, Cersei send him into forced retirement means he is free to be used by her enemies against her. No doubt Starks would try to recruit him for their war efforts.

Modifié par grimkillah, 09 juin 2011 - 10:17 .

[LTD]

You troll with grace good sire.

[baryonic member]

SPOILERS FROM A STORM OF SWORD AND THE DEATH OF JON ARRYN














It was Lysa Arryn who murdered John Arryn, she had been plotting with Littlefinger, she wantedto liek remarry with him, she loves him since childhood, yes?

[Seagloom]

Funny you mention that about Barristan. Your assumption is actually on the right track, but the outcome is not what you predict. I cannot disagree more than Cersei is the only good character in the first book, though. Can you honestly say with a straight face Jon or Arya are evil?

LTD is probably right. Trolling is the only logical explanation here.

[gastovski]

grimkillah wrote...


Incest - I don't get it, two consenting adults in a loving relationship, what is wrong with that. I have no problem with incest personally. As for the adultery, Robert broke the marriage vow first, Cersei have right to revenge.

What kind of sick person are you?. Your kind must be eradicated.

Modifié par gastovski, 09 juin 2011 - 01:54 .

[KenKenpachi]

gastovski wrote...

grimkillah wrote...


Incest - I don't get it, two consenting adults in a loving relationship, what is wrong with that. I have no problem with incest personally. As for the adultery, Robert broke the marriage vow first, Cersei have right to revenge.

What kind of sick person are you?. Your kind must be eradicated.

Hey now nothing is wrong with the fine people of the state of Alabama, and the country of England!  *throws up flame shield*


Lulz I orderd the books (all four current ones waiting for the next one, next month I think) and well alot of people who are just fallowing the shows will be in for a few shocks.

[Nerevar-as]

baryonic member wrote...

SPOILERS FROM A STORM OF SWORD AND THE DEATH OF JON ARRYN














It was Lysa Arryn who murdered John Arryn, she had been plotting with Littlefinger, she wantedto liek remarry with him, she loves him since childhood, yes?

Also because Jon Arryn was sending the kid away to train with another noble (as is common for all noble families in the realm).

There´s really no defense of Cersei, she´s the closest the series has to a stupid evil character. Just the fact the Lannisters have the Mountain at their service speaks a lot of the family heads (loved the ending of ASoS - is so strange for characters to meet karma in this series). Back to Cersei, not even learning her reason for what she does in AFoC made like her any better.

[Alpha-Centuri]

Spoilers from the books




She ****s lancel.. If thats not a "look how flawed and evil she is" moment, I don't know what is

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Just wanted to throw that out there...

Modifié par Alpha-Centuri, 09 juin 2011 - 02:41 .

[Addai]

Cersei as a good character- lolol. It's fun for a laugh anyway.


Book Four spoiler follows...



It's been a while since I read it so I'm fuzzy on the details, but as I recall she pushed a childhood friend down a well and killed her because a fortune teller predicted ill tidings for Cersei and the friend was there to hear it so C. killed her to "erase" the bad prophecy. So, yeah. She's Ms. Compassion alright. lol

Modifié par Addai67, 09 juin 2011 - 03:26 .

[Costin_Razvan]

I fell down laughing by reading the statement.

"Cersei a good character." Interesting stuff next episode anyway, we get to see a full battle I hope!

[KenKenpachi]

speaking of spoilers, dunno if the show will go that far but, wonder if the ice wll will be breached.

[Alpha-Centuri]

Addai67 wrote...

Cersei as a good character- lolol. It's fun for a laugh anyway.


Book Four spoiler follows...



It's been a while since I read it so I'm fuzzy on the details, but as I recall she pushed a childhood friend down a well and killed her because a fortune teller predicted ill tidings for Cersei and the friend was there to hear it so C. killed her to "erase" the bad prophecy. So, yeah. She's Ms. Compassion alright. lol

Another spoiler in general


She goes hunting for all of Robert's bastards to kill. That's pretty evil. Not locking them in a tower like the Dornish do, but having them all murdered because they have Robert's blood. Not very compassionate indeed.

[KenKenpachi]

Alpha-Centuri wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Cersei as a good character- lolol. It's fun for a laugh anyway.


Book Four spoiler follows...



It's been a while since I read it so I'm fuzzy on the details, but as I recall she pushed a childhood friend down a well and killed her because a fortune teller predicted ill tidings for Cersei and the friend was there to hear it so C. killed her to "erase" the bad prophecy. So, yeah. She's Ms. Compassion alright. lol

Another spoiler in general


She goes hunting for all of Robert's bastards to kill. That's pretty evil. Not locking them in a tower like the Dornish do, but having them all murdered because they have Robert's blood. Not very compassionate indeed.

SPOILERS



To add in with all of the above, not too mention when the son she loved so much kicks the bucket, she has sex right there in front of his body. And her actions cause what was something of a good character to become a bat **** insane zombie warlord.

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 09 juin 2011 - 04:22 .

[Addai]

Ok, we've gotten massively spoilertastic.  Suffice to say- Cersei's b*tch moniker is well-deserved.

Then there's Cersei Lanhipster.  Not so sure about her.



from here

[HoonDing]

Cersei = Lucrezia Borgia?

[FedericoV]

Addai67 wrote...

Cersei as a good character- lolol. It's fun for a laugh anyway.

I do agree, but it's not surprising for someone who has not read the books.

The TV series have rewritten Cersei very heavily and it's not that strange if someone sees her as a good charachter.

Incest is bad, but the entire Targaryen dinasty is based upon incest. The only sceen in wich we see some glimpse of Cersei's evilness is Lady's death.

Book Four spoiler follows...



It's been a while since I read it so I'm fuzzy on the details, but as I recall she pushed a childhood friend down a well and killed her because a fortune teller predicted ill tidings for Cersei and the friend was there to hear it so C. killed her to "erase" the bad prophecy. So, yeah. She's Ms. Compassion alright. lol

No. Her "friend" Melara asked Maggie the Frog (the fortune teller) if she was going to marry Jaime. Cersei killed her out of pure jelousy. Maggie have predicted that Melara was going to die in that night. Wich is even worst and shows that Cersei is not simply evil. She is crazy. At least, in the books.

Modifié par FedericoV, 09 juin 2011 - 07:52 .

[Alpha-Centuri]

If anyone wants to talk about rewrite... Sansa! I don't think anybody who watches the show would have ANY sympathy for her if they kept her role in how the King's Landing affair happened in the books.

I think that was cryptic enough.

[Addai]

I would think Sansa will get more sympathetic from here on out.

We haven't had any fanart in a while.  I like this one of Melisandre, by Marygosty.



Someone on Twitter mentioned that it's only 10 days til GoT is finished for the season.  No!!!  Hopefully the casting and shooting rumors start up soon after that.  It'll be a long time til season 2.

Modifié par Addai67, 09 juin 2011 - 10:34 .

[Brockololly]

I do wonder when they'll start shooting Season 2 and how long it will take for it to be finished and airing? Would it be crazy to expect Season 2 next year? Or would it be more likely 2013?

[Darklaguna]

No,it's pretty much Official,i'll be next year.
Series not books more reliable:)

[Addai]

They're already in pre-production, I think it'll be next year.

Marygosty has some other lovely stuff, too.  Here's her Sansa.



ASoIaF is good for those who like redheads. 

[TJPags]

Yea, seriously . . . .Cersei as a good character. I must laugh at that.

I was trying not to be too spoilery in my prior post, but no, her incest isn't limited to Jaime. She also was instrumental in Robert's death. He search for and killing of Robert's bastards has a simple, though again evil, reason - they have a claim to the throne, her children don't. And yes, she killed her friend because the friend wanted Jaime, and also because she overheard the prophecy. Let's not forget when she introduced the Red Viper and his sister to baby Tyrion - yea, that was sisterly love right there. And I won't even go into her entire crazy plan with Margery.

That aside, yes, Season 2 is greenlit for next year. At this pace, they'll catch GRRM at the end of season 5.

Final note - that's nice artwork. The Cersei makes me laugh, the Sansa makes me go awww, and the Melisande . . .well, enough about that.

[grimkillah]

Seagloom wrote...
Funny you mention that about Barristan. Your assumption is actually on the right track, but the outcome is not what you predict. I cannot disagree more than Cersei is the only good character in the first book, though. Can you honestly say with a straight face Jon or Arya are evil?

LTD is probably right. Trolling is the only logical explanation here.

I can't say Jon or Arya are evil, but if someone isn't good, they may not necessarily be bad either. there is not enough situation in which I can form an opinion on these two, and many others. I consider them as neutral, or that they are written more for the future and not the first book. However there are times I disliked Jon. when he first reached the wall, he comes across to me as a major jerk, thinking he was hard done by, when many others are in far less preferred situation than him, only when Tyrion Lannister pointed out the fact to him, had my opinion of him improve. Arya is just a kid, much like Bran, but better than Bran, Bran again suffer the same problem as Jon, when he learned that he couldn't ride or walk again, became a major brat, but again, because of Tyrion's help, I begun to like Bran more. As for trolling, I do hope you don't label anyone who disagree with you as a troll, in fact no one here have yet shown me any evidence in the first book that Cersei is evil, in fact most if not all the thing she done, I approve.

gastovski wrote...
What kind of sick person are you?. Your kind must be eradicated.

I don't judge people based on their sexual preferences, but I guess you are the type of person that have been brought up thinking anything other than a church sanctioned procreation between a man and a woman is perverted. This might be your prerogative, but not mine, and I do wish you keep your "sick" idea to yourself, and not force upon the world.

Alpha-Centuri wrote...
Another spoiler in general
She goes hunting for all of Robert's bastards to kill. That's pretty evil. Not locking them in a tower like the Dornish do, but having them all murdered because they have Robert's blood. Not very compassionate indeed.

I will not answer all other spoilers in general since I haven't read them, and does not understand the context in which they occurred. But this one is rather clear. Any bastards of Robert is a potential threat to the crown, and thus it must be eradicated. killing them is the compassionate thing to do. If they are allow to live, one day they can raise flag against Joffrey, while other major houses will use them to their own end, and start civil war within the realm of Westeros, a war where thousands will die. Is that the compassionate thing to do? It is far better to kill them now, and remove any challenges to the crown, thus bring stability to the realm.

FedericoV wrote...
The only sceen in wich we see some glimpse of Cersei's evilness is Lady's death.

Well done, you are the only one who offered an example that I might agree. I don't understand why Cersei have to kill Lady, especially when she knew it was Sansa's dire wolf. If she wants to show power over the Starks, she could demand the wolf to be send back to Winterfell, killing Lady appear to be unnecessary and over the top. Not the best moment for Cersei, even I felt it was a bit too much.

Modifié par grimkillah, 10 juin 2011 - 05:29 .

[WeRtheBrox]

grimkillah wrote...

Any bastards of Robert is a potential threat to the crown, and thus it must be eradicated. killing them is the compassionate thing to do. If they are allow to live, one day they can raise flag against Joffrey, while other major houses will use them to their own end, and start civil war within the realm of Westeros, a war where thousands will die. Is that the compassionate thing to do? It is far better to kill them now, and remove any challenges to the crown, thus bring stability to the realm.

Wow.

The compassionate thing to do is to murder an infant, because of what could possibly happen as a result of who her father is?  Do you also believe that the US government was correct in locking up all the Japanese in America after Pearl Harbor?

Just... wow.

[grimkillah]

WeRtheBrox wrote...
Wow.

The compassionate thing to do is to murder an infant, because of what could possibly happen as a result of who her father is?  Do you also believe that the US government was correct in locking up all the Japanese in America after Pearl Harbor?

Just... wow.

Actually I don't, I believe the US government should also lock up all German and Italian in America,  the fact just Japanese were locked up seem very racist and unfair.