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[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

nah man, stormtroopers actually killed rebels, just not the protagonists

 

the Unsullied can't even kill rebel scum right

 

Who do you think would win in a fight, the Unsullied (minus Grey Worm) or Ramsay and his 20 good men?

[Fast Jimmy]

Who do you think would win in a fight, the Unsullied (minus Grey Worm) or Ramsay and his 20 good men?

God, that sounds like such a sexual innuendo there.

[Dark Helmet]

Who do you think would win in a fight, the Unsullied (minus Grey Worm) or Ramsay and his 20 good men?

 

How is that even a question? Azor Ahai rebor---I mean the Prince that was Promi----I mean Ramsay and his men.

[Ozzy]

Who do you think would win in a fight, the Unsullied (minus Grey Worm) or Ramsay and his 20 good men?

 

Shirtless Ramsay wouldn't even need his TWENTY GOOD MEN^tm to help him defeat the Unsullied.

[God]

Boy do I wish Shirtless Ramsay was at Hardhome. He would have stopped those White Walkers in their tracks.

[Dark Helmet]

Boy do I wish Shirtless Ramsay was at Hardhome. He would have stopped those White Walkers in their tracks.

 

They would have bowed down in wonder.

 

Then Ramsay would take his 20 good White Walkers and put an end to Dany Sue.

[Iakus]

Shirtless Ramsay wouldn't even need his TWENTY GOOD MEN^tm to help him defeat the Unsullied.

Okay, who would win in a fight:  Shirtless Ramsay or Chuck Norris?  

[Dark Helmet]

Okay, who would win in a fight:  Shirtless Ramsay or Chuck Norris?  

 

Shirtless Ramsay.

 

Chuck Norris ain't got **** on him.

[CrutchCricket]

By right of usurping you mean.

No. Targaryens lost and were annihilated, Westeros belongs to the Baratheons by right of conquest. If Daenerys can conquer it back, power to her. But currently, Stannis Baratheon is the rightful king of Westeros.
 

I can list off areas where her own stupidity nearly wiped her out, if she didn't have someone more competent and intelligent to bail her out (all the while failing to teach her a lesson).

I like her but.... she's never won anything except Meereen on her own merits.

 

Dragon eggs? Handed to her.

Dothraki? Her brother's plan (and that's before they bailed)

Qarth- lucky that one dude was planning a coup (not even gonna try spelling his name)

Qarth warlocks- dragon ex machina

Astapor- slave driver idiot ball and dragon ex machina

Yuncai- Daario hands her not only the Second Sons but the city because he wants to bang her.

 

On the other hand, most of her screw-ups are directly tied to when she's trying to be nice:

 

Saves the witch in season 1 and begs Drogo to let her treat his wound- Drogo catatonic, baby lost, dothraki lost (and probably out for her head)

Her whole war on slavery thing- losing time, resources and we see how much that's worth with the Sons of the Harpy and the former slaves' reactions when she executes one of them.

Locking up the dragons - ???

[Lulupab]

What are those rumors circling around the net that Lord Bolton (Ramsays father) is a vampire? Honestly, I have only read the first book.

[God]

Shirtless Ramsay could only be countered by Shirtless Bruce Lee.... who was his instructor, and trained him well.

[Billy-the-Squid]

It was doing a lot more than 'just snowing.'

It had been in blizzard conditions for weeks at that point, and it was only going to get worse with the onset of winter.

Stannis needed a miracle, a sacrifice, to be able to breakout his Army and get them moving. He was in critical shape, as there were little supplies left at that point.

And why is that? Because the

[Ozzy]

Shirtless Ramsay's blue eyes would have locked with those of the Night's King who would have shown true fear for the first time in response. Within that fear however would be a building arousal. The Night's King knows he wants Shirtless Ramsay. No, he knows he needs Shirtless Ramsay. The large mass of wights part to let them slowly walk towards one another. The Night King begins to ask, "Who are yo-" before Ramsay places his finger on his lips and whispers, "No questions, only flaying." 

 

They then begin to furiously make out.

[Dark Helmet]

Shirtless Ramsay's blue eyes would have locked with those of the Night's King who would have shown true fear for the first time in response. Within that fear however would be a building arousal. The Night's King knows he wants Shirtless Ramsay. No, he knows he needs Shirtless Ramsay. The large mass of wights part to let them slowly walk towards one another. The Night King begins to ask, "Who are yo-" before Ramsay places his finger on his lips and whispers, "No questions, only flaying." 

 

They then begin to furiously make out.

 

Best. Ending. Ever.

[God]

I like her but.... she's never won anything except Meereen on her own merits.

 

Dragon eggs? Handed to her.

Dothraki? Her brother's plan (and that's before they bailed)

Qarth- lucky that one dude was planning a coup (not even gonna try spelling his name)

Qarth warlocks- dragon ex machina

Astapor- slave driver idiot ball and dragon ex machina

Yuncai- Daario hands her not only the Second Sons but the city because he wants to bang her.

 

On the other hand, most of her screw-ups are directly tied to when she's trying to be nice:

 

Saves the witch in season 1 and begs Drogo to let her treat his wound- Drogo catatonic, baby lost, dothraki lost (and probably out for her head)

Her whole war on slavery thing- losing time, resources and we see how much that's worth with the Sons of the Harpy and the former slaves' reactions when she executes one of them.

Locking up the dragons - ???

 

Which is the point, most of us here think Daenerys is a complete incompetent moron who has no ability to rule a cardboard box if she didn't have someone more talented to rule in her place. 

 

I personally can't stand her (hence the moniker of Dany Sue), and it's a lot worse in the show than the books. The writers have a rather obvious bias for her, downplaying her more rabid and entitled tendencies (or conversely, increasing them while making her look not crazy as the books slightly imply) while making her seem more competent and knowledgeable of the world (Dany Sue nearly has a man executed for 'speaking the Usurper's lies about her right and just father' and Ser Barristan has to approach the topic as gently as he can, and even then, Daenerys more or less tells him to shut up and not ruin her image of her father). They're toning down her hypocrisy as well in the show, and they're definitely making her appear more progressive, whereas in the books, you get a distinct 'white man's burden' vibe from Daenerys.

 

In the ASoIaF threads, I have several good friends who post some great arguments as to why Daenerys might actually be a villain or antagonist afterall. Here's to hoping that's the case.

[God]

And why is that? Because the

 

Because the what?

[God]

Shirtless Ramsay's blue eyes would have locked with those of the Night's King who would have shown true fear for the first time in response. Within that fear however would be a building arousal. The Night's King knows he wants Shirtless Ramsay. No, he knows he needs Shirtless Ramsay. The large mass of wights part to let them slowly walk towards one another. The Night King begins to ask, "Who are yo-" before Ramsay places his finger on his lips and whispers, "No questions, only flaying." 

 

They then begin to furiously make out.

 

I raise a penis in salute.

 

[God]

I'm still waiting for the Fifty Shades of Grey spinoff.

 

[justafan]

What are those rumors circling around the net that Lord Bolton (Ramsays father) is a vampire? Honestly, I have only read the first book.

Well, there is a theory that he is either an other or some immortal being.  Basically, it boils down to his pale complexion and the fact that his eyes are always described as being pale blue (like an other), and the reason he kept ramsay was because they shared the same eyes.  There is also the fact that the Boltons have been flaying for ages, and that he might have been using the skins in the same way that the faceless men use their "masks".

 

In short, some think he keeps Ramsay (who is nothing but trouble in the books) around so he can flay and take his identity when necessary.  It's just another fun crazy theory, kinda like how the high sparrow is the Reed's father and that Rhaegar Targaryen survived and became a septon.

[Fast Jimmy]

Well, there is a theory that he is either an other or some immortal being. Basically, it boils down to his pale complexion and the fact that his eyes are always described as being pale blue (like an other), and the reason he kept ramsay was because they shared the same eyes. There is also the fact that the Boltons have been flaying for ages, and that he might have been using the skins in the same way that the faceless men use their "masks".

In short, some think he keeps Ramsay (who is nothing but trouble in the books) around so he can flay and take his identity when necessary. It's just another fun crazy theory, kinda like how the high sparrow is the Reed's father and that Rhaegar Targaryen survived and became a septon.

Or that the reason Varys shaves his head is because he has platinum blonde hair he wants to hide - Targaryan hair that betrays his family heritage and why he has constantly sought to put another Targaryean back on the throne.

[justafan]

Or that the reason Varys shaves his head is because he has platinum blonde hair he wants to hide - Targaryan hair that betrays his family heritage and why he has constantly sought to put another Targaryean back on the throne.

Which ties into why he is working with his brother in law Illyrio to put Illyrio's son, the last Blackfyre pretender on the throne.

[Billy-the-Squid]

Because the what?

Edit: Stupid iPhone. 

 

the writers decided to give Bolton plot armour. 

 

So with 20 men he stole into an army camp of thousands, and set fire to the supply dump (Because an army of that size only has one clearly), didn't get spotted at all, didn't freeze to death in the blizzards which were hampering Stannis, and just so happened to find the supplies conveniently on the edge of camp, Stannis then decided to pack up his things unless he got a deus ex machina of his own and burn Shireen at the stake. 

 

It illustrates my point that D&D can't put together a coherent plot, then shove in things to try and make it shocking, but it ends up coming across as incoherent and a disjointed mess.. 

 

Stannis jumps from having no supplies to burning his daughter in maybe a day because he's critical shape, right there in less than 48 hours. He was just happy to let his men starve to death before surrendering Storm's End for weeks, because he was ordered to hold the fortress. Clearly it's not a huge contradiction that Stannis is stubborn to a fault in one case, but jumps at the chance to use magic as a get out of jail free card here.

 

They've done this repeatedly. Look at the Hound, he was supposed to be brought low by septicaemia, nope! We'll have him fight Brienne of Tarth instead. The entire point was that even a warrior like the Hound could be brought low by disease, but that was squandered because the writers instead wanted to cram more edgy fights into it. It's like watching some one mash a keyboard with their fists when looking at how they've written parts of the plot.

 

The point was that Stannis, as stubborn and formidable as he is, which we see in the Siege of Storm's End and Black Water Bay, is still at the mercy of powers beyond his control. Currently he's at the mercy of whatever contrived reason the writers can come up with to add another shock factor, then they gave him a get out of jail free card using magic, when GRRM has said before that the way he's portrayed magic is not as a deus ex machina. Which is precisely what D&D did. He went from, well I'm in a bit of a bind to completely desperate in a matter of a couple of days, while sitting on his arse, as far as we've seen he's lost no men, apart from 500 deserters, some horses have died and he's jumped straight to burning people at the stake, and that's not even counting the daft writing that led up to this position in the first place. 

 

The issue is not that he's burnt his daughter at the stake, the issue is that the writers have jumped from Stannis having a bit of a problem to an extreme solution in no time, and they way they've strung it together is utterly cack handed, I suspect more because they wanted to squeeze one more shocker into the season, before the final episode, which is a crap reason to cut sections of development out because we end up with this train wreck. 

[daveliam]

That's a great point about Stannis and potentially one of the reasons why I think the character has flipped whole hog into the 'villain' category.  If this 'bizzard' is so crippling, how did Ramsay and his '20 good men' maneuver in and out with such little issue?  Yes, a small force can deal with some things more easily than a large army, but not a blizzard.  And Stannis made the decision to burn his only heir to death (in a particularly tortuous and brutal way) within, what, 48 hours?  Two days earlier, everything was fine?  Now the only way out is to burn Shireen to death?  If there was any evidence that it's as bad as people insist, then maybe it would make sense.  But as is?  Nothing but a few people looking cold.  That's hardly sufficient evidence to murder the heir to your House (and only other living Baratheon).  He's now branded a kinslayer, which is a terrible taboo.

 

It's laughably bad and it taints Stannis' character beyond redemption in my opinion.  He's banking on her sacrifice being worthy to 'deal with' the bilzzard, then successfully taking the throne, then successfully having another child so that the House doesn't die out.  Sure, it's all possible, but it makes him seem much weaker in my opinion.  He's a glorified cultist at this point.  Melisandre is pulling the strings and she's a complete nutcase.  I've lost pretty much all respect for him at this point.

 

And I just want to clarify that I'm not 'blaming the writers'.  I'm blaming Stannis.  I've never really had a ton of hope that he'd be competent as a ruler and this just confirmed it to me.

[HiroVoid]

I'm just waiting for GRRM to confirm. =p

[FraQ]

Stannis and his men are having a rough time with the Blizzard because they are all from the South and have never had to deal with this kind of weather before. Whereas the Northerners have thousands of years of experience dealing with the Northern elements.

 

It's better illustrated in the books where a third of Stannis's army is made up of Northerners. At one point they talk about the difference in loses, saying he's losing Southern soldiers and horses by the hundreds to the elements on his march to Winterfell.

 

Care to guess how many Northerners died on this March?

 

Spoiler

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They don't spell it out for you in the show but both Ramsey and Roose, as well as Stannis and Davos, discuss how unprepared the Southerners are for Winter in the North.

 

 

So given what I know from the Books. It's not hard to believe 20 Northerner's slipped in during the night and did some serious damage. Considering Stannis's men are supposed to be huddled in their tents slowly freezing to death and half starved.