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[mousestalker]

Dany will wed Brienne. Pod will serve as surrogate father to the heirs to the throne.

[DrBlingzle]

 
At this point, two houses have relevance and power. Tyrells and Martells.

Don't forgetthe kingdom of the vale of Arryn. Granted the actual family is pretty much extinquished but the kingdom itself has not lost any soldiers to war and it's fields are still fertile and productive. It's probably in the second best position after the Reach.

[TobiTobsen]

What sort of bridge burning? Does it equal to genocide of their family, later Oberyn. Not to mention there were rather forced to submit to Baratheons in opposed to peacefully marrying with Targaryens.

 

I think the Martells value family bonds enough to at least consider her, but again I'm not aware of situation in the books.

 

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Major book spoilers ahead!

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Don't say I didn't warn you!

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1) Doran Martell's second son, Quentyn, comes to Daenerys in Mereen and presents her with a 15 year old pact, signed by Willem Darry (the master-at-arms of the mad king, who brought Viserys and Daenerys from Dragonstone to Essos) and Oberyn Martell.

The pact said that Viserys was to wed Arianne Martell and the Martells would back him when he returned to take his throne. With Viserys dead, Quentin offers instead to take Daenerys hand and keep the pact alive.

Daenerys refuses, according to Barristan Selmy partly because Quentyn is simply to plain-looking.

 

2) When Daenerys leaves the city on Drogons back, Quentyn searches for her other two dragons. He hopes that his Targaryen heritage will allow him to tame the two dragons, otherwise he would have to come back home with empty hands. This fails and he promptly gets burned to death by Rhaegal.

 

So it's rather doubtful that the Martells will back her, after refusing the official proposal and her dragons killing the second son of Doran. Not when there is another "Targaryen" around...

[Steelcan]

But we don't know about other Valyrians. In dance of dragons, the dragons obeyed the command of a Targaryen to kill another Targaryen who also had dragons. The dragons even attacked each other. The bond is quite strong and once its built (the ritual Dany did on s1) it can no longer be broken, had it allowed to be trained further. There is simply no evidence of a dragon disobeying its Targaryen master before Daenerys. The Dragon is not a slave, but like a very loyal dog, it will obey its master 99% of the times.

 

My point was after Tommen's death/removal from throne. If that happens, the Lannister gold mines are dry and their armies are exhausted. The northern lands is not worth the trouble, if the rest of continents falls/supports, the north will follow anyhow.

 

I'm not aware of Martells in the books, but they will not side with a Lannister or Baratheon when there is a Targaryen alive, no matter who he/she is. Remember when Dany was talking about breaking the wheel? Neither she nor Tyrion even mentioned Martells, because its assumed that they will simply support Dany with open arms. There are many facts mentioned in details.

The North knows only one king, The King in the North, and his name is STARK

 

They will side with whoever is most convenient.  Doran wasn't exactly raising his banners to help topple the Lannisters and Baratheons when the War of Five Kings broke out.  They could have declared for independence and made common cause with the North, they could have gone it alone, they could have followed Renly as he was entirely blameless to anything that happened during Robert's Rebellion.

[Steelcan]

Don't forgetthe kingdom of the vale of Arryn. Granted the actual family is pretty much extinquished but the kingdom itself has not lost any soldiers to war and it's fields are still fertile and productive. It's probably in the second best position after the Reach.

better than the Reach as it isn't providing money and troops to the lost cause that is the Lannisters

[Steelcan]

What sort of bridge burning? Does it equal to genocide of their family, later Oberyn. Not to mention there were rather forced to submit to Baratheons in opposed to peacefully marrying with Targaryens.

 

I think the Martells value family bonds enough to at least consider her, but again I'm not aware of situation in the books.

"genocide" Elia, her kids, and like a cousin died in Rober'ts rebellion.  Nor was their relationship with the Targaryens sunshine and rainbows, entire armies from KL vanished in Dorne, Rhaenys died there, The Young Dragon attacked them again.  They are only currently Targaryen supporters because of Elia and Rhaegar (and we all know who Rhaegar actually had eyes for).

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

THE WOLVES WILL COME AGAIN

 

*cries*

[Steelcan]

THE WOLVES WILL COME AGAIN

 

*cries*

"The north remembers, and the mummer’s farce is almost done. My son is home."

[Fast Jimmy]

The North knows only one king, The King in the North, and his name is STARK

[FraQ]

Ahh, Lord too Fat to Sit a Horse.

 

The show needs you and your Fray Pies!

[WildOrchid]

Dany will wed Brienne.

 

And I'm ok with that.

[Steelcan]

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

The final book was going to be called 'A Time for Wolves' at one point, wasn't it?

 

I WANT TO BELIEVE

[CrutchCricket]

That's kind of silly. A child smuggled to safety because of a coup is expected to just surrender their claim because they 'fled' (ie, someone took them away)? That doesn't make any sense. They maintain their claim. I'm not saying 'rightful', mind you, but they certainly still have a strong claim. At least as strong as the uncle of the son of the usurper, relying on (for the characters) unsubstantiated rumors. Remember that the evidence against Tommen's claim is that he's blond and Baratheons are brunette......

To the second point, supposition. I agree that you're probably right but it holds no bearing on the situation because it never happened.

No, their claim was surrendered for them. They had no agency in the matter because they were babies. And it wasn't their claim at the time. And I am talking about rightful claims. Any lunatic with enough men at his back can make a claim. Doesn't make it rightful (well unless he wins, then the point is moot). See: Renly

 

As for evidence against Tommen, Cersei confesses. In private, sure and both men who hear it are dead. But she confesses nonetheless. It'll be interesting to see whether she does for the Sparrows as well.

 

What never happened? Ned flat out states Robert would kill them. That's the whole reason he picks up the idiot ball, in the name of mercy and confronts Cersei directly with no backup.

 

 

When Bran went north, Rickon decided it was time to call in his uncle Tony.

 

The result:

[Fast Jimmy]

The final book was going to be called 'A Time for Wolves' at one point, wasn't it?

I WANT TO BELIEVE

A time for wolves to rise... or a time for wolves to die?

[Steelcan]

A time for wolves to rise... or a time for wolves to die?

well if Winter is Coming.....

[Dark Helmet]

 

All Hail King Tony! King in the North! King in the North!!!

[Iakus]

 

Ser Anthony Stark!

[Isichar]

I'm not sure I quite get this crossover.. But OK XD

[TobiTobsen]

The final book was going to be called 'A Time for Wolves' at one point, wasn't it?

 

I WANT TO BELIEVE

 

Here, take a pie, while we wait for the mummer's farce to be over. The North remembers!

 

[justafan]

"genocide" Elia, her kids, and like a cousin died in Rober'ts rebellion.  Nor was their relationship with the Targaryens sunshine and rainbows, entire armies from KL vanished in Dorne, Rhaenys died there, The Young Dragon attacked them again.  They are only currently Targaryen supporters because of Elia and Rhaegar (and we all know who Rhaegar actually had eyes for).

 

While the history was certainly bloody, the recent relationship between the Martells and Targaryens was fairly warm.  The Martells married into the 7 kingdoms, and every heir to the Iron Throne since has contained Martell blood from that union.  Also, the Martells seem to be the go-to house for marriage when the king's heir does not have a sister to marry, which I think has led to close ties.

 

Granted, Ares more or less used Elia and her children as hostages to ensure Dorne's support, but I never got the impression that they weren't still loyal regardless, and the Lannister's actions ensured they would never forgive those who supported Robert.

 

Lastly (Preview Chapter for tWoW spoilers)

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Doran sends his heir to see if Aegon is the real deal and is ready to support his (re)conquest of Westeros if she gives the word.  He hasn't heard of Dany's actions yet, and is still hoping for her dragons, but I could see him supporting Aegon if he could get a marriage with him and Arianne out of it and fulfill the contract that Viserys was supposed to honor before he got his crown.

[Han Shot First]

I'm not sure I quite get this crossover.. But OK XD

 

Ironman's name is Tony Stark.

[Isichar]

Ironman's name is Tony Stark.

Well now I feel silly

[Lulupab]

The North knows only one king, The King in the North, and his name is STARK

 

They will side with whoever is most convenient.  Doran wasn't exactly raising his banners to help topple the Lannisters and Baratheons when the War of Five Kings broke out.  They could have declared for independence and made common cause with the North, they could have gone it alone, they could have followed Renly as he was entirely blameless to anything that happened during Robert's Rebellion.

 

Well Martells are still the most independent house, even when the Baratheon rule came. They are not trading with any westeros kingdom as far as I'm aware. Instead they are taking the advantage of their position and trading with Essos, most notably Braavos.

 

The didn't follow Renly because he is a Baratheon, just because he opposed his brother and Lannisters, does not make him an automatic ally. The Martells lost many things to Baratheon rebellion and Lannister crimes. I think Doran sees it as an opportunity to let the people Martells hate tear at each other while Dorne grows stronger and enjoying the peace and calm.

 

Everyone will side with whomever seems convenient, but some will not miss the chance to avenge and restore the honor of their house.

[Lulupab]

"genocide" Elia, her kids, and like a cousin died in Rober'ts rebellion.  Nor was their relationship with the Targaryens sunshine and rainbows, entire armies from KL vanished in Dorne, Rhaenys died there, The Young Dragon attacked them again.  They are only currently Targaryen supporters because of Elia and Rhaegar (and we all know who Rhaegar actually had eyes for).

 

The Alliance was working, doesn't matter what started it. The Martells who ignored everyone previously started to warm up and contribute to Westeros. If you haven't noticed they have retreated again to their corners after the rebellion. They literally have no relation with any houses. Doran has started an agenda and we don't really know what it is, but I think we both know its not the facade "Oh I only blame SOME Lannisters" that he has right now.