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Random thought, but something that's irking me about this season is how they're handling the Boltons. They're making Ramsay the focus of them, which I get the reasoning behind, but I feel like they're making him too 'badass' as opposed to just 'bad'. Like that scene last season where he was in a battle with his shirt off, that was just silly. Now he's giving Roose advice and making actual decisions on what they're going to do, which is kind of irritating me. They're making him cunning, where really he's just a savage. Roose isn't getting the presence he had in the books which I find a little disappointing because he's much more interesting than Ramsay. Not in the sense that he's a complex guy, he isn't really, but he's fascinating in his creepy way.

Before it worked, because he was that guy I kept reading about but he never really stuck out at all until he made his move, which is precisely how he means to operate. Now it feels more like the writers didn't feel like wasting time on him when Ramsay's there. That bit where he gives the backstory of Ramsay's birth, in the books it was just to highlight the kind of callous guy Roose was, in the show it was all about bigging Ramsay up - that's the kind of thing that's (mildly) irritating me.

 

Eh. Just my thoughts.



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Random thought, but something that's irking me about this season is how they're handling the Boltons. They're making Ramsay the focus of them, which I get the reasoning behind, but I feel like they're making him too 'badass' as opposed to just 'bad'. Like that scene last season where he was in a battle with his shirt off, that was just silly. Now he's giving Roose advice and making actual decisions on what they're going to do, which is kind of irritating me. They're making him cunning, where really he's just a savage. Roose isn't getting the presence he had in the books which I find a little disappointing because he's much more interesting than Ramsay. Not in the sense that he's a complex guy, he isn't really, but he's fascinating in his creepy way.

Before it worked, because he was that guy I kept reading about but he never really stuck out at all until he made his move, which is precisely how he means to operate. Now it feels more like the writers didn't feel like wasting time on him when Ramsay's there. That bit where he gives the backstory of Ramsay's birth, in the books it was just to highlight the kind of callous guy Roose was, in the show it was all about bigging Ramsay up - that's the kind of thing that's (mildly) irritating me.

 

Eh. Just my thoughts.

 

In time you will come to accept Shirtless Ramsay as your Lord and Sa---Flayer.

 

He is after all Azor Ahai, The Prince that was Promised, the Stallion that will Mount the World, and the real Doom of Valyria.


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I know we've all been arguing over Stannis, Dany, Tommen, Jon Snow and whoever else could possibly be sitting on the throne at the end of the series, but I can't help but wonder... where does Gendry play into all this. Though it's not really known to anyone in Westeros, doesn't he technically have the rightful claim to the throne being Robert's only true heir? Is it even possible at this point that his parentage could be proven. Most seem to know that Tommen and Marcyela are products of incest, but is incest even illegal in Westeros or just frowned upon? Could they lose there place in line for the throne over it? I'm really starting to wonder if this is that big twist ending that no one is going to see coming. What do you all think, is seeing King Gendry at the end of the series a possibility?



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he's a bastard, doesn't matter


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he's a bastard, doesn't matter

 

I have seen a few people theorize that had Robert found out about Cersei's incest that he might have had Edric Storm legitimized.

 

Bastard born yes but from a noble mother.

 

Then again Edric was pretty much just replaced by Gendry so I guess Robert either would have remarried and tried for an heir or it would have been Stannis.



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It just seems weird that they made a big deal about him being Robert's only surviving bastard. I don't really believe that he will end up as king but Martin must have something special planned for him or what was the point in keeping him alive all this time.



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I have seen a few people theorize that had Robert found out about Cersei's incest that he might have had Edric Storm legitimized.

 

Bastard born yes but from a noble mother.

Well, he was allegedly concieved in a wedding bed, if I remember correctly. Granted, it wasn't their wedding bed but still..

 



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It just seems weird that they made a big deal about him being Robert's only surviving bastard. I don't really believe that he will end up as king but Martin must have something special planned for him or what was the point in keeping him alive all this time.

 

[Maybe he'll end up being raised up and annoined lord of the Stormlands by either Aegon or Daenerys.

 

Stannis has no heir and will probably be dead by series' end.



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1: So "productive" in your eyes is genocide, fall of kingdoms and etc... Good to know. This is the military aspect that I hate and you bring into every post. Productive would be stopping wars without bloodshed or too few spilled blood. Repeat all the times you want, it doesn't matter.

 

2: Entire region of Essos against her? Did you miss the first episodes of this season? The whole Essos is fascinated by her, even a priest of red religion was inviting people to follow her.

 

3: She has saved ten thousand men with mutilated organ. I'm sorry you don't see this as "productive". Now they die protecting their queen, instead of dying like rabid dogs without penis.

 

4: Stannis was outsmarted by a Targaryen woman before, Daenerus mother which resulted in her children's escape. He will be outsmarted by a Targaryen woman again, bookmark me. I will quote this when it happens.

 

1: Well, if that was actually his definition of productive then Daenerys would definitely be on that. She's committed genocide on the nobles of Meeren, she lead to numerous violent uprisings in Astapor after she "freed" it while also causing a plague which would later spread to Meeren, and she's indirectly killed the slaves of Meeren by freeing them since it actually makes it harder for them to get food and money.

 

2: In the books all of Essos marches forth to kill Daenerys. They amass an army from every major city and almost all of the mercenary companies in the region just to kill her. 

 

3: She BOUGHT thousands of men with mutilated genitals. She did not "save" them, and that's further emphasized by them being massacred by the Sons of the Harpy.

4: No.

What?

 

Was he even sane enough to make such decision? 

 

This is just an opinion on my part, since the "Targaryen madness" hasn't effected any of the female members. Not counting Viserying who could be just damaged due to their very hard life, there are 4 known mad Targaryens, all of which are male. And in case of Rhaella she pretty much hid Aerys's madness from the eyes of public as long as she could, in hopes of his death before a disaster. She seems quite capable to me.

When you're being ruled by a man who suffers from paranoid delusions who tends to execute people on a whim, it doesn't matter if he's sane. If said ruler tells you to do something, you're going to do it, and if you don't you get executed. Of course, you still have the same risk of being executed regardless of whether or not you do the task, but you'd be safer off by doing it. When idealism is punishable by death, you don't run into many idealists.

 

I also did not know that "madness" was a male only sex linked trait. 

 

On another note, when your husband starts randomly executing people for looking at him funny it's kind of hard to hide his madness.

 

Joffrey had to go, wars weren't started to do it. It was subtle, executed perfectly without a single innocent dying. I suppose it says a lot about who is "failing". All Stannis has done is following his brother, who in the end led the all the nations to war. He could have hired assassins to kill the mad king. He wanted the throne, every Targaryen dead and his lover avenged. He didn't care how many had to die, because it was "honor". Shove this honor were it belongs.The intentions here were not noble, not even close. Keep your delusions about "nobility" of Baratheons. 

 

And getting extinct on 3rd generation with the last one committing kinslaying two times thus far, The Baratheon dynasty will go down so fast, the word "fail" will not be enough to describe it. 

 

People hated Robert for rebelling, but they got used to it. People hate change, that's what happening on Essos. Dany is playing nice with them, but its conditioning her into her new personality. Plus we don't know what's going to happen to her. Drogon has taken her (rumored since episode one) to a Valyrian ruin to discover her legacy. I think the discussion on what Dany will do will have to be put on a pause, Stannis has got more screen time and delving into story than Dany recently. I mean obviously, even if it wasn't the case, he had like 20 more years to act. 

 

So enjoy your GoT Anders, I think he is in his act 3 period now.

 

Did you miss the entirety of Season 2? Rob Stark went to war with the Lannister's in order to depose Joffery. in fact, it started the exact same way that Robert's rebellion happened, some Stark's were executed by the king...  :rolleyes:

 

And no, they could not have hired assassins to kill Aerys the mad. It's kind of hard to assassinate someone that is paranoid of his own shadow.


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I know we've all been arguing over Stannis, Dany, Tommen, Jon Snow and whoever else could possibly be sitting on the throne at the end of the series, but I can't help but wonder... where does Gendry play into all this. Though it's not really known to anyone in Westeros, doesn't he technically have the rightful claim to the throne being Robert's only true heir? Is it even possible at this point that his parentage could be proven. Most seem to know that Tommen and Marcyela are products of incest, but is incest even illegal in Westeros or just frowned upon? Could they lose there place in line for the throne over it? I'm really starting to wonder if this is that big twist ending that no one is going to see coming. What do you all think, is seeing King Gendry at the end of the series a possibility?


Incest is considered a sin by the Seven, so currently the High Sparrow would have some choice words about it.

That being said, it is not illegal nor does it hamper the line of succession (after all, the Targaryeans are well known for keeping it in the family).

The problem with Joffrey/Tommen/Myrcella's parentage isn't the incest itself (although it may explain why Joffrey was a sick little twerp), but rather that the incest was between Jaime and Cersei Lannister. Meaning they aren't Robert Baratheon's kids.

If they aren't the king's kids, they aren't in line to get his throne when he dies. So Joffrey (and now Tommen) are not in line for the throne, a fact Cersei has shown she will kill to keep covered up, at least publicly/officially.
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Varys went to Dorne. He left Tyrion for dead and consequently discarded his Daenerys plan. He tells Doran Jon Snow is the son of Rhaegar. Doran decides to support Jon instead of Daenerys in the upcoming presidential race.

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Further he is a power mad fool who sacrificed the one person who loved him for a chance to escape some cold weather. He is both short sighted and over-rigid. He clearly will not succeed in his ultimate goal. He makes more enemies than he wins allies.

Well, I'd say he lost two of his three biggest supporters with this. He burned his daughter, who loved him uncondtionally because she was his daughter, and sacrificing her was probably the only thing he could have done to turn the uber-loyal Ser Davos away. All he has left now is the ruthless priestess who is mistaking him for some fabled saviour.

 

He sacrificed his only heir and his Hand for the mere chance of getting better weather. Sounds like a great trade to me. Although I might have been equally desperate if 20+1 men had managed to completely cripple my already fucked up campaign. 

 

I was really looking forward to Stannis attacking Winterfell. Now it's just a battle between certified monsters that would make the White Walkers jealous (Stannis & Melisandre vs Ramsay & Roose), and I hope that as many as possible of them will die. I would like for certain characters to make it out alive (Sansa, Brienne, Pod ec), but right now I'd be perfectly fine with someone just nuking Winterfell when everyone's there. 


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He sacrificed his only heir and his Hand for the mere chance of getting better weather. Sounds like a great trade to me. Although I might have been equally desperate if 20+1 men had managed to completely cripple my already fucked up campaign. 

 

If "20 good men" +1 shirtless monster can do that, Stannis doesn't deserve to win in the first place.



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Ramsay is nothing more than a plot device to prevent Stannis from winning.


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Stannis may be a monster, but better a monster than a fool, a craven, or a dead man.

 

Seems that's what you lot support. We can't all be winners. 



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An enjoyable season with plenty of action.

 

Pros:

 

-Cersei getting her comeuppance. Finally that little schemer gets to suffer.

 

-Tyrian becoming adviser to Dany. Now her character arc gets more interesting.

 

-Jon Snow pulling off the impossible once again. The series' overachiever.

 

-dragon burning those annoying cultists. 

 

 

Cons:

 

-The Sparrows bit seemed like thinly veiled commentary. No one gave a f*ck about homosexuality before, how did that cult pop up all of a sudden?

 

-Ramsey's apparently untouchable and it's getting old. He has his little torture shop of horrors, skinning people right and left and no one seems to care?

 

-Stannis is a monster. F*ck that guy. Torching his daughter is so far over the line I don't want to connect with that character anymore. What kind of miracle is Melasandra supposed to summon to help them anyway? This kind of thing continues to be the biggest weakness in the series - it devolves into misery porn.



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I am simultaneously hyped and terrified for what is going to happen this episode...
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I know we've all been arguing over Stannis, Dany, Tommen, Jon Snow and whoever else could possibly be sitting on the throne at the end of the series, but I can't help but wonder... where does Gendry play into all this. Though it's not really known to anyone in Westeros, doesn't he technically have the rightful claim to the throne being Robert's only true heir? Is it even possible at this point that his parentage could be proven. Most seem to know that Tommen and Marcyela are products of incest, but is incest even illegal in Westeros or just frowned upon? Could they lose there place in line for the throne over it? I'm really starting to wonder if this is that big twist ending that no one is going to see coming. What do you all think, is seeing King Gendry at the end of the series a possibility?

 

Nobody will be sitting on the throne in the end. The throne is one big red herring. Remember Dany's vision in the House of the Undying? The throne room is covered in snow. The ceilling is broken, and the throne is empty.



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The throne room is covered in snow.


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I just listened to the soundtrack for the next episode. The final bit of it is just damn eerie. It is a creepy bit of music that slowly turns into this eerie version of Rains of Castamere.

 

01. It has to do with Lady Stoneheart. Catelyn has been refferenced a lot this season, so it might be LS wasn't cut at all.

02. It has to do with Robert Strong. Remember the Tyrion-like head Quyburn kept earlier this season? That one stitched to the body of Zombie Clegane would no doubt be creepy as well.

 

Also it seems Benjen Stark shows up. He is listed for episode 10 on imdb (might be a mistake of course). And someone also posted a pic  of the recap at the start of ep 10. It shows the conversation between Benjen and Jon a top the wall. Might be a fake pic, of course, but it looked real.

 

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It just seems weird that they made a big deal about him being Robert's only surviving bastard. I don't really believe that he will end up as king but Martin must have something special planned for him or what was the point in keeping him alive all this time.

 

I think his specialty only extended so far as to introduce the power of kingsblood in relation to Stannis in season two/clash of kings.  Otherwise, in the show his mother was lowborn, and in the books Edric is rather unimportant.  Furthermore, he has no powerbase to support his claim even if he was legitimized, especially with an adult trueborn claimant (Stannis) and a Targaryen (old and former ruling dynasty) to choose from.

 

If on the off chance he is somehow relevant later, I would say his best bet is to fall in line with the Targaryens and hope to get the Stormlands out of it like his ancestor Orys did.  If only to keep a "Baratheon" there for stability purposes.



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Personally, I don't care where Dany's butt sits on. I want Targaryen family and her legacy restored, so she just needs to go back to Westeros.



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The Baratheons have a better chance, even with writer bias, of having their family restored than the Targs do at this point. Lines end, such is the way of things. 


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The bias is not really against Baratheons and its not on the side of Targaryens, it's character based. Daenerys may be favored more, but she is not the first character and she won't be the last. All Bioware games have favored characters too and we are in a Bioware forum right now. I think by now you can see some resemblance between Leliana and Daenerys.

 

I simply see more opposition to Stannis than I see to Daenerys. Stannis already has a pile of haters on Westeros but Dany will be new. Her family lands are in Baratheon hands, so no one will mind she getting them back. In fact Dragonstone has to be quite defenseless given the fact that Stannis has pulled vast majority of his men from there.

 

We didn't witness her story for all this time for nothing. I think her going back to Westeros and events that transpire after that is inevitable at this point, but not her getting the iron throne back. We'll see how the show handles Aegon. As stated he has a much better chance for success and people believing him if he and Dany act together.