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[KaiserShep]

This was a great episode. Really felt for Cersei during her walk - its a testament to Lena how much you can root for such a crappy person to get revenge. Jon's death was perfect, with a little added flair with the "hey benjen is important this ep!" trolling in the previously on.

In any case, they did it: Slogged through two thousand pages of mediocre storytelling to get us caught up timeline-wise. Any bets on how much older still Bran will look next season?

 

You mean how dead he'll look, amirite? Hodor will roll over and crush him in his sleep. 

[God]

 

 

 

Spoiler

The fact that people think they're serious shows that it's not the most unbelievable thing at this point. Martin saying Jon and Stannis are dead is one thing. These guys? Not so much.

 

 

After seeing the commentary myself, the writers never nail down that Stannis is dead. Jon is dead, but of course, that can be reversed now that Mel is at the wall.

[God]

The Watch's betrayal of Jon feels so forced here in comparison to the books.

 

In the books, it's rather understandable.

 

In the show, Jon's been back for a few days/weeks now, and likely has briefed the Watch at what happened at Hardhome. As well, each of the conspirators have been pretty stupid to wait until just now to kill Jon. They sort of just muddy about and then decide (after all that's happened), "Hey, let's kill Jon!"

 

On the other hand, if he HASN'T briefed the rest of the Watch on what happened at Hardhome, he deserved what happened to him. Which would be outright retarded, given that everyone who was with him can verify what happened at Hardhome. These mutinous brothers lose sympathy when they decide to do this for no reason. In the books, they at least have actual justification of Jon breaking his oaths. Here, they're just being petty because '**** the Wildlings!' Even when they offered to help us fight the real enemy, whose army has just been confirmed to exist to our brothers!

[KaiserShep]

After seeing the commentary myself, the writers never nail down that Stannis is dead. Jon is dead, but of course, that can be reversed now that Mel is at the wall.

 

I was thinking the same thing. I'm on the fence as to whether or not I want this to happen, and this is coming from someone who kind of liked Jon. I'm just wondering what happened to Ghost. If he's dead I'm gonna be pissed. 

[Deebo305]

So...I guess we'll never see how The Nightswatch story thread end now

As for that final scene, bravo to Cersei's actress. It takes a will of steel to do a scene like that. First time in 5 seasons that I've ever felt sorry for her

[dreamgazer]

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[Cunning Villain]

After seeing the commentary myself, the writers never nail down that Stannis is dead. Jon is dead, but of course, that can be reversed now that Mel is at the wall.

 

Yeah, they seemed rather ambiguous about Stannis' ultimate fate. I don't believe he's dead, and I hope I am right. Jon, however, probably is. I just don't think he's permanently dead. As you said, Melisandre's arrival at the Wall mere hours before Jon's demise is more than fortuitous.

[God]

I was thinking the same thing. I'm on the fence as to whether or not I want this to happen, and this is coming from someone who kind of liked Jon. I'm just wondering what happened to Ghost. If he's dead I'm gonna be pissed. 

 

The Direwolves have really always been secondary in the show, with a lot less relevance. I mean, how many times do we really see Ghost? Or Summer? Or Shaggy? Nymeria hasn't been seen since Season One. I don't think they're going to bring her back anytime soon. Even the Dragons have a lot less of an actual role in the story. Animal characters are a lot harder to translate to the screen from the books. My view is that they didn't even think about the CG for Ghost.

[Giantdeathrobot]

So Stannis is probably dead (not certain until we see a body, albeit I've no idea what his story could be if he's alive nor why would Brienne spare him). I kinda hope he's dead. The show has treated him horribly then jettisoned him. FIne, whatever, more room for Dany Sue and Saint Tyrion. Just leave Stannis in peace. The entire battle for Winterfell was also impressively low-budget and anticlimatic, especially after the masterpiece that was Hardhome.

 

Arya's now 100% more cold-blooded but unfortunately has 0/20 eyesight so she won't be able to stare intently at her targets like before, 'cause obviously that's what subtle master assassins do. Jokes aside, that was a good scene and appropriately gory. The follow-up was really creepy too.

 

Sansa's story basically amounted to just being Jeyne Westerling from the book and picking a lock? Meh. If the writers are going to make stuff up, it should at least be exciting. Nice to see Theon back in business and wipe that smug smirk out of that girl's face.

 

Daario being the voice of reason? That was weird, but it does make him a much better character than his book counterpart (which isn't hard but still). No idea what the hell Varys is doing in Meereen when the books have him being busy in King's Landing, but I suppose since Aegon is dropped Varys really is Team Dany Sue fo reals.

 

Speaking of her, that scene was kinda funny with Drogo as the teenager wh refuses to get out of bed and Dany as the mom who calls him a lazy bum. Also, that was a crapload of natives Dothrakis.

 

Walk of Shame happened pretty much exactly how I pictured it. Well done to the crew. Unfortunately, to me Cercei is morally bankrupt so I didn't feel a lot of pity fo her, but it did its job. Albeit Qyburn being so concerned about Cercei's health was a bit weird. And Robert Strong is clearly an undead Darth Vader under that helm, no idea how he's fooling anyone. Also, Lena probably used a body double, and Cercei looks pretty damn good for a woman in her forties that had three children.

 

For The Watch!... and down with the context of that entire scene! Why in the blazes did Alistair let Jon and the Wildlings enter if he was going to shank him anyway, with no new developments (IE a certain letter of a certain color) being shown to trigger a change of hearts? No Ghost either?

 

Also, anyone who thinks Jon Snow is truly dead is naive. Who's going to fight the Others, Olly?

[Nole]

If Jon is actually dead then the books and show are, in retrospect, the shittiest most anti climactic story ever told.

[Han Shot First]

Spoiler

In the the behind the scenes video for this episode, the writers confirm that Jon and Stannis are dead.  I'd link to it, but I'm on my tablet and it's a bit twitchy. 

 

Spoiler

Jon is probably only temporarily dead.

 

I'm betting that next season Melisandre will probably do some Red God magic to resurrect Azor Ahai (a.k.a. Stannis) but choosing to use the name Azor Ahai instead of Stannis, will instead end up raising Jon Snow. It will be a repeat of Melisandre praying to the Red God to see a vision of Azor Ahai  but only seeing snow and Jon.

 

That is at least assuming that Brienne killed Stannis.  

[God]

If Jon is actually dead then the books and show are, in retrospect, the shittiest most anti climactic story ever told.

 

He is dead. That's not the issue though. 

 

The issue is whether or not he will be resurrected, especially since Jon Snow's parentage is still an active plot element according to Martin himself. It would lose all of its relevance if it turned out he was dead for real, and make the eventual appearance of Howland Reed senseless.

 

Now onto Davos... what's he and Mel gonna do now? I think Davos is going to find about Rickon through an asspull and go off to find him. As for Stannis...

 

If he yet lives, and Brienne spared him for whatever reason, he does have another potential power-base. The North still exists. They still likely want blood for the Starks. And if Stannis is willing to fight in their name, he may potentially have an army to back him. Especially if he comes across Sansa and Reek and learns that Bran and Rickon yet live. 

 

I think at this point though, the show has gotten too bleak, even for itself. As Dream pointed out, the show has jumped the shark. Everyone's in ****-stew right now, and honestly, asspulls that are too outrageous are all that's left.

[Steelcan]

*continues to grumble about how bad the season has been*

[KaiserShep]

Also, Lena probably used a body double, and Cercei looks pretty damn good for a woman in her forties that had three children.

 

I'm pretty certain that it's actually her, considering the trouble the crew went through to keep it under wraps before the release. I understand that Lena Headey has a fair number of tattoos, but it's not like those things can't be removed for film. 

[Dovahzeymahlkey]

If Jon is actually dead then the books and show are, in retrospect, the shittiest most anti climactic story ever told.

did u see the theory where the pedo friendzone guy turns out to be the real hero?

[Dovahzeymahlkey]

now that maisie is legal, how long til game of thrones cashes in and forces her to do a pointless nude scene as its so known for?

[God]

*continues to grumble about how bad the season has been*

 

Eh, Season 5 for Cable TV series. It's a real killer. 

 

That's when PPV series tend to start going downhill. Dexter, The Sopranos (ok, before Season 5), True Blood...

[KaiserShep]

Heh, True Blood. More like True Fairy Dust. 

[God]

now that maisie is legal, how long til game of thrones cashes in and forces her to do a pointless nude scene as its so known for?

 

I'm surprised that Sophie Turner hasn't done one yet. Not that I'd complain, as she's grown into quite a lovely young woman (though she's a lot better looking in RL than in the show)

 

Honestly, the show is just not fun anymore. It's just things happening, made overly violent to show what a shitty world it is. It's losing the realistic edge just to be sadistic.

 

And the sex and nudity is getting so egregious that they might as well move the show over to Skinemax.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Samwell Tarly is Azor Ahai. Biggest twist ever as he manages to slay the night's king by tripping and sending Longclaw right through his face.

[HoonDing]

Called it long ago.

Ramsay Bolton Azor Ahai.

[SlottsMachine]

I thought Stannis might pull off a miracle after seeing the Bolton's army abandon there fortress for some reason. But nope, if you thought 20 good men was tough they got nothing on 300 good men. 

[HoonDing]

Stannis will become the new Reek.

[God]

Also, poor Jaime. He actually gets the father of the year award.