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[Maria13]

naughty99 wrote...

I'm getting confused by all these names.

Does this mean there was an older adaptation attempt on a different network?

I checked IMDB but didn't see any older version.

Not different versions but I think they first cast one actress filmed a few scenes and then cast another...

@Moustalker. Definitely!

[twincast]

Okay, pilots are so often used unaltered as first episodes (at least these days), most people aren't aware what a pilot actually is. (I hate, hate, hate when the first regular episode of a series has "Pilot" as its title, especially when the rest of the episode titles follow a theme.)

First a network options the rights to a series.
Then it hopefully greenlights a pilot, which is basically one big in-house preview for the higher ups of mostly the first episode and maybe some important later scenes.
Which is then produced, in GoT's case with Ehle as Catelyn and Merchant as Daenerys.
Then the network says what it liked and what it didn't like and hopfeully greenlights a first season.
The changes are then applied and if necessary recasts happen. Then the actual season is produced with, depending on the individual case, the pilot being incorporated either in full, or in parts, or not at all. Not having to reshoot the first episode is obviously cheaper. [Unused pilots are usually buried deep in the network archives and (especially those of series that did manage to go on air) heavily sought after by fans.]
And after all that the network greenlights one or more seasons at a time, but obviously no more pilots are shot. Naturally if a series changes networks, the new one also only greenlights/orders seasons, not pilots.

Modifié par twincast, 11 avril 2011 - 10:55 .

[naughty99]

What you're saying is that the network spent this huge budget on the pilot, but then decided to completely scrap it, or least perform reshoots of certain scenes with different cast?

[twincast]

Unlike the one for the whole season I wouldn't call the budget for the pilot, 'though larger than average, huge, but yes. In GoT's case almost everything ended up being redone, mostly due to the recasting mentioned above.

[Catspaw]

The ages of the children had to be bumped up in the film version as there is no way American audiences would tolerate the ages portrayed in the books. Daenarys in the book is 13 when she is sold to Khal Drogo. Censors would have made the network change that age to 16 (age of consent in most states) for political correctness. Robb & Jon appears to be around 18-19 in the trailer, but are15 at the beginning of the first book. I think it will be alright in the film version as long as they stay true to the characters as written. I like the look of the actor playing Jon, but will need some time to warm up to Robb. They got Sean Bean for Nedd. Who cares about the rest!!! I just finished my 3rd read through of the first book so I'm all ready. My satellite provider is running it on the 20th. Counting the days!!!!!

[naughty99]

 

[Inquisitor Recon]

A bit off topic but HBO related. Have any of you been watching The Borgias?

[naughty99]

ReconTeam wrote...

 HBO related

actually, I believe that series is on Showtime

[Inquisitor Recon]

naughty99 wrote...
actually, I believe that series is on Showtime

You're right. I always get the networks confused.

[Addai]

lol @ the poster. We, um, may have bought a new TV for this. And a DVR. And signed up for HBO.

<--is not pathetic at all

[naughty99]

I really hope HBO launches some kind of internet-only subscription service to compete with Netflix.

I'd gladly pay a small monthly fee to subscribe directly to HBO for Internet streaming, but I'm not about to pay $30-60/ month for basic cable subscription when it is not even 1080p resolution. (1080i looks like crap IMO)

Modifié par naughty99, 12 avril 2011 - 03:01 .

[silver-crescent]

Catspaw wrote...

The ages of the children had to be bumped up in the film version as there is no way American audiences would tolerate the ages portrayed in the books. Daenarys in the book is 13 when she is sold to Khal Drogo. Censors would have made the network change that age to 16 (age of consent in most states) for political correctness. Robb & Jon appears to be around 18-19 in the trailer, but are15 at the beginning of the first book. I think it will be alright in the film version as long as they stay true to the characters as written. I like the look of the actor playing Jon, but will need some time to warm up to Robb. They got Sean Bean for Nedd. Who cares about the rest!!! I just finished my 3rd read through of the first book so I'm all ready. My satellite provider is running it on the 20th. Counting the days!!!!!

Honestly I felt that in the books, the characters felt older than what they were supposed to be. Especially Daenerys - a 14 year old political/military genius?? And Arya as well.

[Catspaw]

silver-crescent wrote...

Honestly I felt that in the books, the characters felt older than what they were supposed to be. Especially Daenerys - a 14 year old political/military genius?? And Arya as well.
II

Some of them did seem that way. Althought Daenarys was lucky to be bipedal with all the inbreeding that went on in her family. They should have been a mass of genetic mutations. Guess that's why it's called Fantasy. Arya never bothered me - she was young enough to adapt and old enough to remember lessons learned. In a medeival setting, children did mature faster by necessity, I suppose.

Just met Brienne in Book 2 - I'd forgotten how much I like that character. My fav is, and will always be, Tyrion.

[HoonDing]

silver-crescent wrote...

Honestly I felt that in the books, the characters felt older than what they were supposed to be. Especially Daenerys - a 14 year old political/military genius?? And Arya as well.

Channeling Yogi Berra here: events forced them to get old early.

There's a good real life example of this in the Borgia family.

Modifié par virumor, 12 avril 2011 - 11:51 .

[naughty99]

Catspaw wrote...

My fav is, and will always be, Tyrion.

So many of the characters are amazing, but yes, if GRRM kills off Tyrion in the next book I will be pissed.

Did you read the sample chapter about Tyrion from Dance with Dragons?

Modifié par naughty99, 12 avril 2011 - 01:19 .

[silver-crescent]

I don't like Tyrion at all. I hate smartass-with-a-heart-of-gold types. Varric is another one

But the characters are all great, if I had to pick a fave, I'd probably go with Daenerys.

Modifié par silver-crescent, 12 avril 2011 - 01:25 .

[naughty99]

I'm not so sure about the heart of gold aspect - I think he's just a regular smartass ;-)

But all the characters have believable motivation and their goals are all in conflict with the other characters. This is what makes the series so excellent - the plot develops naturally from the dramatic tension between the characters.

[silver-crescent]

He does have a heart of gold. Well, at least he cares for the innocents. This is especially evident with his relationship with Sansa.

[Chanegade]

silver-crescent wrote...

I thought Catelyn, Eddard, Jon and Robb would definitely be younger.

Catelyn had 5 kids so she can't look too young.

[naughty99]

silver-crescent wrote...

He does have a heart of gold. Well, at least he cares for the innocents. This is especially evident with his relationship with Sansa.

--SPOILER----
Do you think in Dance of Dragons he will finally find the girl he married when he was a teenager?
----END SPOILER----

[silver-crescent]

Wasn't that just a prostitute?

Anyway, mind that I haven't actually finished reading the books, I'm about 75% through A Storm of Swords.

[naughty99]

silver-crescent wrote...

Wasn't that just a prostitute?

Anyway, mind that I haven't actually finished reading the books, I'm about 75% through A Storm of Swords.

Just keep reading, I don't want to spoil anything.

[twincast]

Chanegade wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

I thought Catelyn, Eddard, Jon and Robb would definitely be younger.

Catelyn had 5 kids so she can't look too young.

Cat & co. are in their mid-thirties in the books and supposedly in their early fourties in the TV series.

[Dreadstruck]

silver-crescent wrote...

I don't like Tyrion at all. I hate smartass-with-a-heart-of-gold types. Varric is another one

But the characters are all great, if I had to pick a fave, I'd probably go with Daenerys.

Varric is a one-dimensional fanfic compared to Tyrion.
The Lannister knows how to be ruthless too.

[Addai]

Not like Tyrion?! Does not compute. I am going to have to restrain the urge for audible squee every time a scene with Peter Dinklage starts.

5 more days!