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[AresKeith]

So no ones commenting on Frankenstein Mountain?  

[Lulupab]

Also Loras and Margery were ignored, that pissed me off.

[Addai]

I don't even know what to say, everything has been pretty much discussed. I just finished watching it now as I as at work all day.
 
But the only thing that bothers me is book purists attacking the show all the time. This is a De ja vu from LOTR.

I'm sorry, this criticism is now meaningless. I'm not attacking the show as a "book purist," I'm attacking it because it's insulted my intelligence one too many times. Having read the books just rubs salt in the wound, Ramsay style, because you know they had better material and discarded it for reasons unknown.

[Il Divo]

You forget that Syrio was a SWORDMASTER. Look up what that word means. And he did lose the fight anyway.

 

Oberyn deliberatly picked that tactic vs a heavily armoured Clegane, to tire him out. Add poison to the mix and it was a win win situation. And at no point did he do an actual flip. He jumped around a bit but mostly he was just being quick.

 

He lost the fight when it was convenient for the story to have him lose the fight. Aka, not when he's facing 4 men trained with steel swords coming at him at his leisure. But again, vs. Meryn Trant? Magically the sword breaks. Swordmaster does not excuse power of the plot. Being outnumberd is one of the worst situations you can ever find yourself in lethal combat. 

 

At two separate occasions Oberyn does a reverse spin, which would only serve to tire him out. The tactic would absolutely see him killed in real life. Bronn's tactic is a better demonstration of how to tire your opponent out in a fight. Oberyn's style would only serve to tire himself out, especially when more efficient movements are available. 

[Rawgrim]

I'm sorry, this criticism is now meaningless. I'm not attacking the show as a "book purist," I'm attacking it because it's insulted my intelligence one too many times. Having read the books just rubs salt in the wound, Ramsay style, because you know they had better material and discarded it for reasons unknown.

 

"Shock value" is the reason you are looking for.

[Lulupab]

I'm sorry, this criticism is now meaningless. I'm not attacking the show as a "book purist," I'm attacking it because it's insulted my intelligence one too many times. Having read the books just rubs salt in the wound, Ramsay style, because you know they had better material and discarded it for reasons unknown.

But Ramsay is not the only thing you guys bicker about. I personally agree about Ramsay.

[DrBlingzle]

So I just watched the latest episode and I bet you guys absolutely loved it! 

 

Seriously I haven't even checked but I'm fairly sure the last 10 pages of this thread is mostly bitching.

Yeah I was a bit disappointed by Stannis anticlimactic end. If he lost it should of been a fiery, glorious end raging against the dying of the light. Instead it just felt wearisome and depressing. I know we didn't see Stannis die but I'm about 80% sure he's dead. Which doesn't bode well for him in the books (I know that the show is obviously changing dramaticly but they tend to follow the same path, suggesting that Stannis will lose in the books to ) 

 

So I wasn't too impressed by this episode.

 

BUT

 

I am willing to forgive it for 2 reasons.

 

1) Tyrion and Varys are now doing what they do best. And I am going to ****ing love it.

 

2) Littlefinger has now lost his title as "best mother****er who throws bitches to their deaths". Good work Theon. Not Reek. Theon.

[TheClonesLegacy]

So no ones commenting on Frankenstein Mountain?

He is really, really tall.

[Lulupab]

The show and the books are pretty much separated now and may even end up with far different endings.

[DrBlingzle]

Oh and Robert Strong looked exactly like he should.

Scary as ****.

[Han Shot First]

Stannis won't burn Shireen in the books. He is too far away from her and he has no need to do it. Mel and Selyse just might do it though. To raise Jon or something.

 

I hope you're right but its also a little bit of wishful thinking, because the books have not yet reached the point where Shireen is burned. Stannis could still have Shireen burned by sending a raven. He doesn't necessarily need to be present for it.

 

Stannis getting routed at Winterfell might also be a book spoiler.

 

None of us will know for sure until book 6 releases. 

[Br3admax]

I don't even know what to say, everything has been pretty much discussed. I just finished watching it now as I as at work all day.

 

But the only thing that bothers me is book purists attacking the show all the time. This is a De ja vu from LOTR.

 

Episode 8 was a world record in ratings:

 

http://www.imdb.com/.../?ref_=ttep_ep8

 

Other than that, there were way too many cliffhangers for my taste.

I don't hate the episode because I'm a book purist, whatever that means. I hated it because it was terrible. LoTR didn't also completely disregard the book series it was based on to be #edgy. It's nowhere near comparable. 

[Steelcan]

I will be the first to admit the books have some faults, but instead of improving on the weaknesses of the books in question, the show writers threw them out and went on their own killing spree for maximum edginess.

[Rawgrim]

He lost the fight when it was convenient for the story to have him lose the fight. Aka, not when he's facing 4 men trained with steel swords coming at him at his leisure. But again, vs. Meryn Trant? Magically the sword breaks. Swordmaster does not excuse power of the plot. Being outnumberd is one of the worst situations you can ever find yourself in lethal combat. 

 

At two separate occasions Oberyn does a reverse spin, which would only serve to tire him out. The tactic would absolutely see him killed in real life. Bronn's tactic is a better demonstration of how to tire your opponent out in a fight. Oberyn's style would only serve to tire himself out, especially when more efficient movements are available. 

 

He lost it when his wooden sword broke. Hapens the same way in the books. Syrio loses vs armed men. How is that being a superhero? The sword breaks at the first solid contact with a sharp blade. He just wacks their faces with it etc earlier.

 

A wooden sword breaking in half when slashed by a heavy, sharp, steel blade is not magical, man.

 

If you actually watched the episode, you might note that Oberyn isn't trying to kill the fellow outright. He also wants him to be alive enough to confess certain murders.He gets the guys blood pumping. Switches spears (getting the poisoned one) and then makes some slashes to poison the fellow to make him succumb faster.

[Rawgrim]

I hope you're right but its also a little bit of wishful thinking, because the books have not yet reached the point where Shireen is burned. Stannis could still have Shireen burned by sending a raven. He doesn't necessarily need to be present for it.

 

Stannis getting routed at Winterfell might also be a book spoiler.

 

None of us will know for sure until book 6 releases. 

 

If Stannis loses at Winterfell he is dead and can't burn Shireen. If he wins at Winterfell he doesn't need to burn Shireen. Simple as that.

[Rawgrim]

So I just watched the latest episode and I bet you guys absolutely loved it! 

 

Seriously I haven't even checked but I'm fairly sure the last 10 pages of this thread is mostly bitching.

Yeah I was a bit disappointed by Stannis anticlimactic end. If he lost it should of been a fiery, glorious end raging against the dying of the light. Instead it just felt wearisome and depressing. I know we didn't see Stannis die but I'm about 80% sure he's dead. Which doesn't bode well for him in the books (I know that the show is obviously changing dramaticly but they tend to follow the same path, suggesting that Stannis will lose in the books to ) 

 

So I wasn't too impressed by this episode.

 

BUT

 

I am willing to forgive it for 2 reasons.

 

1) Tyrion and Varys are now doing what they do best. And I am going to ****ing love it.

 

2) Littlefinger has now lost his title as "best mother****er who throws bitches to their deaths". Good work Theon. Not Reek. Theon.

 

He also threw himself and Sansa to their deaths, really. Given that the show had shown us that the snow had melted, 5 minutes earlier.

[TheClonesLegacy]

He lost the fight when it was convenient for the story to have him lose the fight. Aka, not when he's facing 4 men trained with steel swords coming at him at his leisure. But again, vs. Meryn Trant? Magically the sword breaks. Swordmaster does not excuse power of the plot. Being outnumberd is one of the worst situations you can ever find yourself in lethal combat. 

Yeah, because using wood against steel you will always loses?

Except I can actually find a long history of people using Bokkens and the like against swords and winning.

Oh look. Here's one.

https://en.wikipedia...iyamoto_Musashi

[Lulupab]

I don't hate the episode because I'm a book purist, whatever that means. I hated it because it was terrible. LoTR didn't also completely disregard the book series it was based on to be #edgy. It's nowhere near comparable.

"Purist" here means you expect to see the Stannis from the books, but it's not Stannis from the books. The season has been praised by majority of people who haven't read the books, you can see the receipts of this if you look it up.

 

I'm not saying the show is great, but it does not deserve to be called "terrible". Specially with current state of TV series, where a good one is very rare.

[Il Divo]

He lost it when his wooden sword broke. Hapens the same way in the books. Syrio loses vs armed men. How is that being a superhero? The sword breaks at the first solid contact with a sharp blade. He just wacks their faces with it etc earlier.

 

A wooden sword breaking in half when slashed by a heavy, sharp, steel blade is not magical, man.

 

If you actually watched the episode, you might note that Oberyn isn't trying to kill the fellow outright. He also wants him to be alive enough to confess certain murders.He gets the guys blood pumping. Switches spears (getting the poisoned one) and then makes some slashes to poison the fellow to make him succumb faster.

 

Watch the fight. Syrio has multiple moments of solid contact with the Lannister Soldiers. Swordmaster or not, the idea of beating 4 fully trained men in combat wielding steel swords (while conveniently not picking one up yourself) is anything other than power of the plot to me at least is ridiculous. 

 

I've watched the Oberyn fight more times than I can count.  You really think wanting to disable your opponent in combat = jumping around and wearing yourself out? That's not "getting the blood pumping" that's pure stupidity. Stretching routines and light cardio "get the blood pumping". 

[Han Shot First]

If Stannis loses at Winterfell he is dead and can't burn Shireen. If he wins at Winterfell he doesn't need to burn Shireen. Simple as that.

 

He may have Shireen burned before Winterfell, just as it happens in the TV series.

 

I'm a fan of book Stannis so far, so I hope he neither burns Shireen or loses to the Boltons. But whether or not those two things were from the mind of George RR Martin or the show's producers won't be known until Martin finishes Winds of Winter.

[KaiserShep]

Yeah, Oberyn was an idiot. I want heem to confess. Oh noes I died!

[Steelcan]

"Purist" here means you expect to see the Stannis from the books, but it's not Stannis from the books. The season has been praised by majority of people who haven't read the books, you can see the receipts of this if you look it up.

 

I'm not saying the show is great, but it does not deserve to be called "terrible". Specially with current state of TV series, where a good one is very rare.

its based off of the books, comparisons will inevitably arise, and when the show is so painfully inadequate in comparison it gets irritating

[Il Divo]

Yeah, because using wood against steel you will always loses?

Except I can actually find a long history of people using Bokkens and the like against swords and winning.

Oh look. Here's one.

https://en.wikipedia...iyamoto_Musashi

 

Did Miyamoto Musashi have a reputation for using wooden swords against 4 trained opponents at a time? I'm asking seriously here. Not to mention, I've heard various disputes regarding the accuracy surrounding Musashi. I've heard some claim he was a master of wielding two weapons at a time, but I've heard others state that's a mistranslation of one of his quotes, as an example. 

[Br3admax]

"Purist" here means you expect to see the Stannis from the books, but it's not Stannis from the books. The season has been praised by majority of people who haven't read the books, you can see the receipts of this if you look it up.

I don't expect to see Stanis from the books. I expected to see someone comparable. That has nothing to do with some sort of desire for purity in ASoIaF media. It has to due with being reasonably similar, and that's a pretty reasonable expectation from something that wants to use the ASoIaF label. 

 

 

 

I'm not saying the show is great, but it does not deserve to be called "terrible". Specially with current state of TV series, where a good one is very rare.

It's terrible. I don't judge things by comparison. I judge them by their own merits to me. GoT is automatically good just because everything else is worse, which imo, HBO has many better series. 

[TheClonesLegacy]

Did Miyamoto Musashi have a reputation for using wooden swords against 4 trained opponents at a time? I'm asking seriously here. 

Not that I'm aware of, but he did beat a guy with a Nodachi with a bokken he carved out of a boat oar.

 

That's his most notable accomplishment.