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[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

I miss Robert. He was a great character, and Mark Addy portrayed him so flawlessly. 

[Jester]

How did we go from scenes like this to "You want a good girl but you need a bad p*ssy." Seriously neither were in the books, but my god the writing drop

This is just as brutal a truth as Robert's last "No". 

[Rawgrim]

Yeah, Loras is up there with Stannis and Littlefinger for worst book to show transition. 

 

Loras is on the show to so they can show "Gay stuff". It is all the character really does. It is a shame, really. Because Loras started off as good character in season one and two. One could sympathize with him for what happened to Renly etc. But after Blackwater he was just in the show to be gay, really. And that is dumb. There is way more to the characer than his sexuality. Make use of it and show it.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Can somebody explain to me what the deal with Doran Martel is supposed to be? I remember half skimming the wiki articles on him earlier, and so was under the impression this season that the reason he was thwarting the Ellariya and Sand Snakes' revenge scheme was actually because of his own better revenge scheme. But after watching this entire season I failed to grasp exactly what his agenda or endgame or even the point of his screen time was (Aside from being awesome because he was Alexander Siddig) because they didn't seem to reveal it. 

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Can somebody explain to me what the deal with Doran Martel is supposed to be? I remember half skimming the wiki articles on him earlier, and so was under the impression this season that the reason he was thwarting the Ellariya and Sand Sankes' revenge scheme was actually because of his own better revenge scheme. But after watching this entire season I failed to grasp exactly what his agenda or endgame or even the point of his screen time was (Aside from being awesome because he was Alexander Siddig.)because they didn't seem to reveal it. 

 

From what I've gathered most of the key pieces to his plan have been cut from the show, so who knows. 

 

I guess he's just waiting patiently until everyone kills each other now. Then him and Balon Greyjoy will laugh, being the last surviving characters on the show. 

[Rawgrim]

So basically they could just have added a scene where Trystane arrives in KL with the news of Myrcella's death. Something like that. It would have saved a few hours of Dorne screentime, that basically didn't go anywhere.

[Zanallen]

His role, so far, seems to be that of the benevolent ruler who doesn't want his people to suffer through a pointless war over revenge.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Maybe this is because I went in with the expectation there would be one, but I got the sense Alexander Siddig was playing him like he had some kind of a secret complicated plan.

[Jester]

So basically they could just have added a scene where Trystane arrives in KL with the news of Myrcella's death. Something like that. It would have saved a few hours of Dorne screentime, that basically didn't go anywhere.

Exactly. And yet people are defending writers, who cut out/reworked a lot of important stuff (where is Aegon and Connington? why did Stannis just randomly march on Winterfell with his meagre forces? why is Sansa abandonded by Littlefinger in Winterfell, instead of learning at his side how to rule in the Vale? why did they cut Jaimie's time finishing the war in Riverlands? what happened to Lady Stoneheart?) because "these plot lines lead to nowhere" - and yet Dorne plotline lead exactly nowhere and didn't even serve the purpose of evolving Jaimie's character - because the books developed him much more in Riverlands. And it was completely made up. And sadly it shows - it's full of substandard dialogue (you need a bad *****...), nonsensical events (trying to steal Myrcella? seriously?) and even bad fight sequences (Sand Vipers fight still makes me cringe) all peppered up with a set of nice breasts next to an antidote around the neck. And a known poisoner, who hates Lannisters kissing the king's sister on the lips, with no one reacting to that. 

 

The entire Dorne plotline was just terrible in every aspect.

[TobiTobsen]

Awww... c'mon guys! We all know the answer to all the "why did they do it?!" questions:

 

Spoiler

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

It's kinda sad to think that in the show continuity the Baratheons are actually completely and utterly wiped out now. I mean, the Starks have it bad, the Lannisters are a sinking ship, but at least they still have heirs. Or...anything. Baratheons are just dead. The actual Baratheons anyway. 

[Rawgrim]

Exactly. And yet people are defending writers, who cut out/reworked a lot of important stuff (where is Aegon and Connington? why did Stannis just randomly march on Winterfell with his meagre forces? why is Sansa abandonded by Littlefinger in Winterfell, instead of learning at his side how to rule in the Vale? why did they cut Jaimie's time finishing the war in Riverlands? what happened to Lady Stoneheart?) because "these plot lines lead to nowhere" - and yet Dorne plotline lead exactly nowhere and didn't even serve the purpose of evolving Jaimie's character - because the books developed him much more in Riverlands. And it was completely made up. And sadly it shows - it's full of substandard dialogue (you need a bad *****...), nonsensical events (trying to steal Myrcella? seriously?) and even bad fight sequences (Sand Vipers fight still makes me cringe) all peppered up with a set of nice breasts next to an antidote around the neck. And a known poisoner, who hates Lannisters kissing the king's sister on the lips, with no one reacting to that. 

 

The entire Dorne plotline was just terrible in every aspect.

 

Connington seems to have been merged with the Jorah character. I can understand that bit.

 

The Riverlands bit might be solved in the next season with Stoneheart included, I suppose. It seems they are ading the Greyjoy plotline next season as well. Wich is actually kind of dumb. The Greyjoys attack the Tyrells because their army is at King's Landing (after the Blackwater battle). Right now the Tyrell army is back at Highgarden so it will be downright dumb to attack them now.

 

And about that Myrcella poisoning. Smart move...kill the Lannister princess right AFTER their own prince got sent along with them. Stunning logic.

[Rawgrim]

His role, so far, seems to be that of the benevolent ruler who doesn't want his people to suffer through a pointless war over revenge.

 

Which makes him completely unimportant in terms of affecting the story in any way.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I suppose the Myrcella story line was probably mainly done to make the audience feel sad.

[TobiTobsen]

I suppose the Myrcella story line was probably mainly done to make the audience feel sad.

 

The whole Dorne storyline made me feel sad. But probably not the kind of sad D&D wanted.

 

I'm missing Arianne Martell!

[Cunning Villain]

I suppose the Myrcella story line was probably mainly done to make the audience feel sad.

 

That's Ding and Dong's motto.

[Rawgrim]

It is most likely to break Cersei even more, I guess.

[Fast Jimmy]

Connington seems to have been merged with the Jorah character. I can understand that bit.

The Riverlands bit might be solved in the next season with Stoneheart included, I suppose. It seems they are ading the Greyjoy plotline next season as well. Wich is actually kind of dumb. The Greyjoys attack the Tyrells because their army is at King's Landing (after the Blackwater battle). Right now the Tyrell army is back at Highgarden so it will be downright dumb to attack them now.

And about that Myrcella poisoning. Smart move...kill the Lannister princess right AFTER their own prince got sent along with them. Stunning logic.

Well, I guess if the goal is to force Doran to go to war, no matter the cost, then it was a pretty logical move. Dead Myrcella and easily-ransomed/killed Prince would force Doran's hand, despite his own reservations. I don't know... It's not a terrible idea if your goal is terrible to begin with?

[Rawgrim]

Well, I guess if the goal is to force Doran to go to war, no matter the cost, then it was a pretty logical move. Dead Myrcella and easily-ransomed/killed Prince would force Doran's hand, despite his own reservations. I don't know... It's not a terrible idea if your goal is terrible to begin with?

 

The problem with it is that it won't force a war at all. Dorran will easily find out who did the poisoning. Jamie most likely too, given that Bron (who is with him) got the exact same poison in him 2 episodes earlier. In fact they need only turn the ship around to get an antidote. The ship is only a few 100 meters from the docks, anyway.

[HiroVoid]

Well, I guess if the goal is to force Doran to go to war, no matter the cost, then it was a pretty logical move. Dead Myrcella and easily-ransomed/killed Prince would force Doran's hand, despite his own reservations. I don't know... It's not a terrible idea if your goal is terrible to begin with?

So does Ellaria just go into hiding then?  I can't imagine Doran forgiving her that.  I guess the kin-slaying taboo would stop him from killing the Sand Snakes, but she doesn't have that kind of protection.

[Fast Jimmy]

Well, maybe Jaime doesn't go back to Dorne at all, but rather delivers his dead daughter to Cersei, along with a suitable target for revenge killing? If he tries to pursue anyone in Dorne, he may not succeed and he would definitely lose possession of the Prince.

[Addai]

How did we go from scenes like this to "You want a good girl but you need a bad p*ssy." Seriously neither were in the books, but my god the writing drop

The writing was always very uneven when they went off script.
 

Loras is on the show to so they can show "Gay stuff". It is all the character really does. It is a shame, really. Because Loras started off as good character in season one and two. One could sympathize with him for what happened to Renly etc. But after Blackwater he was just in the show to be gay, really. And that is dumb. There is way more to the characer than his sexuality. Make use of it and show it.

They also showed him as unfortunate pawn in the political marriage game, but certainly they had to play up the sensationalist aspects with the Sparrows. Not just with Loras but the whole gruesome brothel scene. Religious people persecuting gays, we get it, we get it.
 

Can somebody explain to me what the deal with Doran Martel is supposed to be? I remember half skimming the wiki articles on him earlier, and so was under the impression this season that the reason he was thwarting the Ellariya and Sand Snakes' revenge scheme was actually because of his own better revenge scheme. But after watching this entire season I failed to grasp exactly what his agenda or endgame or even the point of his screen time was (Aside from being awesome because he was Alexander Siddig) because they didn't seem to reveal it.

In the books?

Spoiler

He is a secret Targaryen supporter, part of Varys' and Illyrio's conspiracy to bring the Targs back.

He's trying to play a long game vs. short term revenge.
 

Well, I guess if the goal is to force Doran to go to war, no matter the cost, then it was a pretty logical move. Dead Myrcella and easily-ransomed/killed Prince would force Doran's hand, despite his own reservations. I don't know... It's not a terrible idea if your goal is terrible to begin with?

But it's not logical. If he didn't go to war over Elia or Oberyn...?

The key here is not to think too much. I don't even mean, don't overthink. Just don't think at all. Boobs, guts and pretty set pieces- enjoy them for what they are, if you can.

[Jester]

I completely don't understand why Doran should be angry at Lannisters for Oberyn's death. 

Oberyn volunteered for trial by combat and lost. 

 

It's not Cersei's fault. 

[Fast Jimmy]

I completely don't understand why Doran should be angry at Lannisters for Oberyn's death.
Oberyn volunteered for trial by combat and lost.

It's not Cersei's fault.

EVERYTHING is Cersei's fault.

[Dark Helmet]

EVERYTHING is Cersei's fault.

 

Especially the things that aren't her fault.