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[mousestalker]

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[Addai]

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They're so right. It brings up something else that doesn't sit well with me about how they ended Stannis and omitted the Manderleys- no sign whatsoever that The North Remembers. I'm seeing a lot of non-book-readers say they're quitting the show because it's so relentlessly grim.

[Lulupab]

Martin is raping genetics with his "Baratheon theory". Sure black hair/eye are stronger than blond hair and blue eyes, meaning the child is more likely to inherit the darker features, but that's it. More chance. 

 

There is also dormant gene fact which I'm not even going into right now.

[Addai]

Martin is raping genetics with his "Baratheon theory". Sure black hair/eye are stronger than blond hair and blue eyes, meaning the child is more likely to inherit the darker features, but that's it. More chance. 
 
There is also dormant gene fact which I'm not even going into right now.

In a world that has years-long winters, you can't take anything "scientific" for granted. Royal blood has magical power, so if "the seed is strong" and all of Robert's bastards bear a strong resemblance to him, then something is probably going on if the pattern changes. Simple Occam's razor which I believe does apply.

The bottom line being, Robert would believe Ned, and that's a chance Cersei couldn't take. It's not like they wanted Robert alive and hale anyway.

Side note: The bitterness at asoiaf.org makes for funny reading. They're calling the southern lands Porne, for instance. 

[Lulupab]

In a world that has years-long winters, you can't take anything "scientific" for granted. Royal blood has magical power, so if "the seed is strong" and all of Robert's bastards bear a strong resemblance to him, then something is probably going on if the pattern changes. Simple Occam's razor which I believe does apply.

The bottom line being, Robert would believe Ned, and that's a chance Cersei couldn't take. It's not like they wanted Robert alive and hale anyway.

Side note: The bitterness at asoiaf.org makes for funny reading. They're calling the southern lands Porne, for instance. 

 

I think the rumor that says "royal blood" means Targaryen blood is true. Because Targaryens have actual magic in their blood from Valyria but rest of the noble houses are just titles. Melissandre used Baratheon blood which is mixed with Targaryen blood on two occassions in 3 generations.

 

Cersei's first son was with Robert though no? Didn't he had black hair? I wouldn't be surprised if Cersei killed him herself to make her 2nd son the heir, her son with Jamie. Although I'd believe book Cersei doing it since she is an outright psychopath in the books, unlike the TV show where she has some humanity left.

[God]

PalpatineLittlefinger'sbehinditall!

 

Littlefinger is intriguing because no one really knows what his final plan or end game is.

[God]

I think the rumor that says "royal blood" means Targaryen blood is true. Because Targaryens have actual magic in their blood from Valyria but rest of the noble houses are just titles. Melissandre used Baratheon blood which is mixed with Targaryen blood on two occassions in 3 generations.

 

Cersei's first son was with Robert though no? Didn't he had black hair? I wouldn't be surprised if Cersei killed him herself to make her 2nd son the heir, her son with Jamie. Although I'd believe book Cersei doing it since she is an outright psychopath in the books, unlike the TV show where she has some humanity left.

 

Yeah, none of this is true Lulu. None of it.

 

Royal Blood is royal blood, no matter the royal lineage. Remember Mance Rayder? King Beyond the Wall, and of 'Kingly Blood'. And not related to the Targaryens in the least. 

 

As well, the Starks having the ability to Warg proves your theory that Targaryen blood is 'special' beyond the standard is completely wrong. 

 

Cersei aborted the only child she conceived with Robert. Also, learn your definitions of psychopath.

[Lulupab]

Yeah, none of this is true Lulu. None of it.

 

You can detect the words that express doubt, right?

[Br3admax]

A good deal of all the Houses in Westeros have Targaryen blood at this point. And House Baratheon is a Targaryen cadet branch, for all intents and purposes. Nothing was special about Orys One-Hand besides the fact that he was Orys One-Hand. Nothing was special about Aegon the Conquerer either, for that matter. House Velaryon is also High Valyrian. Don't hear many special things about them either, and they frequently married into House Baratheon and Targaryen. 

[God]

You can detect the words that express doubt, right?

 

Yes. I can also detect when you're expressing ignorance to the lore.

[God]

A good deal of all the Houses in Westeros have Targaryen blood at this point. And House Baratheon is a Targaryen cadet branch, for all intents and purposes. Nothing was special about Orys One-Hand besides the fact that he was Orys One-Hand. Nothing was special about Aegon the Conquerer either, for that matter. House Velaryon is also High Valyrian. Don't hear many special things about them either, and they frequently married into House Baratheon and Targaryen. 

 

Hell, House Dayne is supposedly descended from Valyrian blood. It's not even all that uncommon in Essos.

[Lulupab]

Yes. I can also detect when you're expressing ignorance to the lore.

 

Ignorance to the lore? Please. What I said are frequently discussed rumors. Just because they damage your fandom, does not mean they are wrong, but also does not mean they are right. They are simply rumors consistent with what have been revealed.

 

So let me get this straight, you think kneeling before someone with a crown and getting a title grants you magical powers and being from Valyria where the nobles were actual magic wielders, does not?

 

"Ignorance". 

[God]

Ignorance to the lore? Please. What I said are frequently discussed rumors. Just because they damage your fandom, does not mean they are wrong, but also does not mean they are right. They are simply rumors consistent with what have been revealed.

 

So let me get this straight, you think kneeling before someone with a crown and getting a title grants you magical powers and being from Valyria where the nobles were actual magic wielders, does not?

 

"Ignorance". 

 

No. But there is power in kingsblood, and that power can be used for magical means. I never said that it grants you magical powers. 

 

It's not about fandom here, it's about getting things right in regards to the lore. Which you have consistently disregarded.

[Lulupab]

No. But there is power in kingsblood, and that power can be used for magical means. I never said that it grants you magical powers. 

 

It's not about fandom here, it's about getting things right in regards to the lore. Which you have consistently disregarded.

 

The stark ability to warg has nothing to do with being royalty or nobility. Its an ability some northerners have. The first children also had this power if I'm not wrong.

 

I'm not saying it has to be true, but its more logical than someone having money and ascending to higher status immediately getting "power" in their blood. Plus I never said Targaryen blood is the only one with this property. So its possible several other bloodlines have this power.

[Iakus]

Ignorance to the lore? Please. What I said are frequently discussed rumors. Just because they damage your fandom, does not mean they are wrong, but also does not mean they are right. They are simply rumors consistent with what have been revealed.

 

So let me get this straight, you think kneeling before someone with a crown and getting a title grants you magical powers and being from Valyria where the nobles were actual magic wielders, does not?

 

"Ignorance". 

There is definitely something odd about the Targaryans at least.  ANd perhaps Valerian blood in general.

 

But "kingsblood" also seems to hold some sort of power.  At least in the books.  Jon had Sam and Gilly take Mance Rayder's son with them to the Citadel specifically to keep the baby safe from burning at Melisandre's hands.  Because Mance styled himself as "The King Beyond the Wall"  

[Lulupab]

I'm not fully dismissing that idea, only saying having actual power in your blood is more believable.

[Br3admax]

There's really nothing that special about Valyrians. The Free Cities are full of Targ look alikes. They had magic at one point, just like everyone else, but they're just people now. Like everyone else. 

[Ozzy]

Is there power in kingsblood specifically though or is there a power just because there's a belief that there's power. Perception being reality and all that. Certainly, that might be the case if Mance's son was to be sacrificed for some reason or another since Mance isn't from some ancient bloodline that we know of. Do we know for certain that Melisandre wanted to use him for something like this though or was it a preemptive measure of Jon's to remove him from play? I can't recall.

[God]

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[justafan]

Is there power in kingsblood specifically though or is there a power just because there's a belief that there's power. Perception being reality and all that. Certainly, that might be the case if Mance's son was to be sacrificed for some reason or another since Mance isn't from some ancient bloodline that we know of. Do we know for certain that Melisandre wanted to use him for something like this though or was it a preemptive measure of Jon's to remove him from play? I can't recall.

 

While I don't think the books ever say one way or another, I would assume kingblood works because of belief, or at least the power of the dynasty from which it comes.  The Baratheon line really only ruled as undisputed king for a single generation, and the line had never had independent rulers beforehand unlike the Starks, Lannisters, or Martells.  The closest someone like Edric/Gendry or Shireen has to long-dynasty (Targaryen) kingsblood is through a great grandmother and the possibility that their ancient ancestor was a Targaryen bastard.

 

As such, if I had to guess, I would say that if R'hllor did exist, he is more concerned with the sacrifice's current worldly power.  After all, Stannis burned a descendent of the former Reach Kings House Gardner (Axel Florent) and it apparently did nothing special.  For the sacrifice to have kingsblood, it probably means it has to come from the child of a recent and powerful king, so as the recognized leader of the wildlings, Mance and his children would probably count.

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Ouch.



For all the problems with show Stannis, I don't think Dillane was ever one of them.

[justafan]

For all the problems with show Stannis, I don't think Dillane was ever one of them.

If anything, I think he was the best part.  His performance got show watchers rooting for the Mannis right until the end even when the showrunners hated the characters.

[Jester]

Power resides, where people believe it resides.

I think Varys was very right on that.

 

And considering his past, I think he might have known that he is speaking about more than mere politics.

[Ozzy]

Yeah, despite what D&D did to the character and my criticisms of that, Dillane was fantastic. There was a lot more to his performance than the script he was given and he was probably my favourite actor this season. 

 

Sucks to hear what he went through though. Just heartbreaking. 

[God]

Word on the street (casting calls) is that they might be doing more flashbacks... One of the characters possibly being Ser Arthur Dayne. 

 

I really, really, really hope that the world of Weisseroff doesn't **** with that character. They're already annihilating so many good characters.

 

I think I've made the decision to just stop watching the show. It's just not good anymore.