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[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Word on the street (casting calls) is that they might be doing more flashbacks... One of the characters possibly being Ser Arthur Dayne. 
 

Hmm...I'm guessing that means Tower of Joy flashback with Lyanna. Finally.

R+L=J and all that.

[God]

Hmm...I'm guessing that means Tower of Joy flashback with Lyanna. Finally.

R+L=J and all that.

 

I hope the writers don't abandon all nuance there. 

 

There's so much layer to the previous generation of the Kingsguard, and how they fit into things, and how their attitudes and oaths may have inadvertently set off many events.

 

And still, such good characters as well.  

[Dark Helmet]

Ouch.



For all the problems with show Stannis, I don't think Dillane was ever one of them.

 

"Hey guess what we're making your character do just to make people hate him that he never did in the books!"

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

I'm just wondering where a Tower of Joy flashback would come from. I mean, who's perspective? Mel showing Jon a vision perhaps? Or maybe Howland Reed finally shows up.

[God]

Actually, revise. It might be a ToJ flashback, but in all actuality, it sounds more like Darkstar. Makes more sense, if the writers decide to head back to Porne.

[Dark Helmet]

I'm just wondering where a Tower of Joy flashback would come from. I mean, who's perspective? Mel showing Jon a vision perhaps? Or maybe Howland Reed finally shows up.

 

"Hi everyone! I'm Howland Reed, You're a secret Targ. *Immediately murdered*"

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Every time someone mentions a "Targ" all I can think of is the Klingon version. 

[Br3admax]

I'm just wondering where a Tower of Joy flashback would come from. I mean, who's perspective? Mel showing Jon a vision perhaps? Or maybe Howland Reed finally shows up.

Nah. Jon is dead, man. And if Reed shows up, he'll definitely be joining him. 

[mousestalker]

I'm going on a GoT boycott for the next seven months. I refuse to watch any new episodes for that period.

#OnStrike #TakingAStand

[Iakus]

Hmm...I'm guessing that means Tower of Joy flashback with Lyanna. Finally.

R+L=J and all that.

Heck just learning more about the former Sword of the Morning would be interesting.

 

He was a man Ned Stark greatly respected 

[CrutchCricket]

If anything, I think he was the best part.  His performance got show watchers rooting for the Mannis right until the end even when the showrunners hated the characters.

As soneone who only watched the show I can confirm this. Dillane brought out the best in the character, even when the best wasn't all that nice.

 

"Hey guess what we're making your character do just to make people hate him that he never did in the books!"

100% Dick Move confirmed.

[God]

As soneone who only watched the show I can confirm this. Dillane brought out the best in the character, even when the best wasn't all that nice.

 

100% Dick Move confirmed.

 

The one link I posted talks about how they butchered the plots of characters compared to their book versions. It's pretty horrific what they end up doing to Stannis.

 

The writers make it clear that not only do they dislike Stannis (they're on record now for calling him a monster), but they're also apparently of the opinion that you were wrong to ever support Stannis. 

[Dark Helmet]

As soneone who only watched the show I can confirm this. Dillane brought out the best in the character, even when the best wasn't all that nice.

 

Many of the actors HAVE done some amazing performances.

 

It's a shame their talents are being squandered so.

 

But hey at least Porne's got that bad *****.

[God]

People are getting exactly what they want from the series at this point.

 

I joined in on a forum discussion over on the ASoIaF boards. It's very good, and a lot of the discussions there have influenced my decision to finally give up the show. It's just not a good adaptation. It's all about controversy and shocking scenes and violence and sex, at the expense of story. 

 

And what separates ASoIaF from GoT is that ASoIaF isn't brutally depressing. 

 

"Is there anything in this life but grief?"

"There's love. There's hope... for some. There's hope that you'll find something worthy... that your life will lead you to some joy... that after everything... you can still be surprised."

 

This is a quote from a very different show (Joss Whedon's "Angel") but ... I think for me it really represents what the spirit of the books is. I know a lot of people think they are incredibly dark and depressing, but I don't see them that way, because I think we are always getting some glimpse of what matters: there is always love in all its myriad forms (e.g. Arya's love for Jon and his for her); there is loyalty (Brienne's, Barristan's; the Manderleys); there is honor and courage in many different forms (Sam and Bran); there is kindness and empathy despite every effort to drive it out (Sansa); there is wisdom (Davos). Theon's and Jaime's storylines, though they may seem to plumb the depths of cruelty, and they do, are also things that make me hopeful: a person isn't defined by his or her worst act, or nullified by suffering, but can regain him/herself. All of these things are in the books, and all of these qualities are what make the realms of men worth saving, and make the story a hopeful one (to me, anyway.)

 

The universe is nihilistic, but not as brutally negative as the show is. The showrunners don't seem to think about that vein of hopefulness that runs through the books and they think the story is about how "anyone can die" or "honor gets you killed." There is no sense that love is important (sex is important on the show, and often showcased, but love ... not so much.) And consequently, I think Show!Westeros is a terrible, hopeless, depressing place in a way that Book!Westeros isn't. Even by my standards. The showrunners don't seem to understand practical honor or action, and automatically up your chances of survival to 100% if you are a bad person on the show, because 'people want to see how much worse they can get!'

 

It's not good storytelling anymore, it's just 'let's see how much more controversial we can be this season!'

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

The cast is pretty consistently the best thing on the show. I can't think of a character who I'd consider miscast. 

 

I guess Emilia Clarke kinda veers between underacting and overacting at times, and Shae was...off, but other than that...

[God]

That's about the only thing I support about the show at this point. 

 

Except for the Sand Snakes. I don't think they were cast very well. Particularly Tyene Sand.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Ramin Djawadi's soundtrack has also never stopped being incredible, seriously.

[Shechinah]

That's about the only thing I support about the show at this point. 

 

Except for the Sand Snakes. I don't think they were cast very well. Particularly Tyene Sand.

 

I felt the whole storyline related to Dorne could have been done a whole lot better and as a result, the characters suffered especially the Sand Snakes who could have been very enjoyable to watch but who I felt I knew little about until the last couple of scenes in the prison cell. That was actually when I found them most enjoyable because it showed a bit of their personalities and how they interacted with each other, something I felt was sorely lacking. If they had a few scenes beforehand during which you learned a bit more about they each dealt with the loss of Oberon and how he factored into their lives it could perhaps have revealed some interesting insight into their character and individual motivation for being willing to commit treason.   

 

Sometimes an unejoyable plot can be made interesting if only because of the characters who feature in it and they help distract from the holes in the plot.
 

[Rawgrim]

You know. Stannis and Sam were the only ones who could inform the realm about the Dragonglass vs White Walkers bit. Sam is on his way to Oldtown, and Stannis is dead. Stannis had tons of dragonglass at Dragonstone, as well. Could have added a minute or two where Stannis at least gives Brienne some info before croaking.

[Dark Helmet]

You know. Stannis and Sam were the only ones who could inform the realm about the Dragonglass vs White Walkers bit. Sam is on his way to Oldtown, and Stannis is dead. Stannis had tons of dragonglass at Dragonstone, as well. Could have added a minute or two where Stannis at least gives Brienne some info before croaking.

 

Nah see he's not gonna die. D&D are gonna have him back next season eating babies and making Ramsay disgusted with how obviously evil he is.

 

Then the Messiah Dany Sue returns on a cloud of glory to save Westros from those evil evil people.

[Rawgrim]

The Greyjoy plotline is back next season it seems. Which will make no sense at all. They raided Highgarden because the Tyrells had their army in KL at the time. On the show they moved their army back...So they decide to raid the place when it is guarded by the biggest army in the realms now...

[Dark Helmet]

The Greyjoy plotline is back next season it seems. Which will make no sense at all. They raided Highgarden because the Tyrells had their army in KL at the time. On the show they moved their army back...So they decide to raid the place when it is guarded by the biggest army in the realms now...

 

Balon's overconfident! He won the War of Five Kings by default after all...

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

The Greyjoy plotline is back next season it seems. Which will make no sense at all. They raided Highgarden because the Tyrells had their army in KL at the time. On the show they moved their army back...So they decide to raid the place when it is guarded by the biggest army in the realms now...

 

I'm guessing that plotline is going to be quite different than it was in the books. 

[Dark Helmet]

I'm guessing that plotline is going to be quite different than it was in the books. 

 

Balon has been studying Ramsay.

 

Only instead of 20 Good Men he now has.... 80 Good Men!

[Fast Jimmy]

The one link I posted talks about how they butchered the plots of characters compared to their book versions. It's pretty horrific what they end up doing to Stannis.

The writers make it clear that not only do they dislike Stannis (they're on record now for calling him a monster), but they're also apparently of the opinion that you were wrong to ever support Stannis.

For all moaning about what "the writers" did to Stannis, it should be noted that it is on the record that the decision to have Stannis burn Shireen came directly from GRR. D&D had "WTF" moments when they were told to do that.