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[CalJones]

I've not read the books so I've watched the whole thing unspoiled. I've been surprised constantly at how things have gone. Which is a good thing, I think, but it does seem as though all the characters I actually like are getting killed or screwed over.

[WeRtheBrox]

Addai67 wrote...
About Sansa- I never hated her from reading the books, just felt very sad that it was not safe for a child to have child-like dreams and naive trust in that world.  They all grow up too fast and with stakes too high.

I agree.  In my view, Sansa didn't "betray" her father -- all she did was complain to Cersei that Ned was sending her and Arya back to Winterfell!  It was the equivalent of running to Mom when Dad tells you something you don't like.  Sansa had NO idea of all the machinations going on around her; all she really did was give Cersei a bit of a head start in countering Ned's moves.  It was stupid Ned that told Cersei exactly what he intended.

[Addai]

CalJones wrote...

I've not read the books so I've watched the whole thing unspoiled. I've been surprised constantly at how things have gone. Which is a good thing, I think, but it does seem as though all the characters I actually like are getting killed or screwed over.

Everybody gets screwed over, but not everybody dies.  At the point I read this event in the books, I started to think GRRM was going to kill everyone and maybe do a big time skip, but that's not the case.

[Addai]

Alpha-Centuri wrote...

Shirosaki17 wrote...

Although, now I'm a little sad because I'm only 26, and not an older man to be ogled at. 

You'll have Davos next season. One of my favorite characters. Not sure how they are going to depict him though.

DAVOS FTW

[MrDizazta]

since last week's brutal nature, I believe we all need to watch this and have a nice laugh

[Maria13]

Addai67 wrote...

Check out some of the art by John Picacio for the 2012 ASoIaF calendar.  It is awesome.

This is his Arya.

Seen it on Amazon over here. Think I'm getting it.

[Seagloom]

MrDizaztar wrote...

since last week's brutal nature, I believe we all need to watch this and have a nice laugh

Dude! You just made my morning. Best Guile theme video EVER.

[Slurms McKenzie]

I SHALL NEVER SWEAR FEALTY TO A LANNISTER!

[Addai]

More of that calendar's art, this is the Hound- and more like I pictured him in the books.  The actor is doing a good job at portraying him as soulless (and with Sansa, creepily so), but the makeup on him is so subdued that he is not as terrifying as I'd always pictured him.

[Brockololly]

Addai67 wrote...

More of that calendar's art, this is the Hound- and more like I pictured him in the books.  The actor is doing a good job at portraying him as soulless (and with Sansa, creepily so), but the makeup on him is so subdued that he is not as terrifying as I'd always pictured him.
*snip*

Yeah, I pictured his burns a bit more vivid but at the same time, if they went all out I think he'd end up looking too much like Two Face from Batman possibly. Then again, how toned down his makeup for his scars are makes me wonder how far they'll go with certain other characters in the future or if they tone down that too.

[Seagloom]

Not bad. I imagined him as slightly less grotesque. What other characters will this calendar include? Other than Tyrion, Cersei, Jon, Dany, and Melisandre who are always a given.

[Addai]

Seagloom wrote...

Not bad. I imagined him as slightly less grotesque. What other characters will this calendar include? Other than Tyrion, Cersei, Jon, Dany, and Melisandre who are always a given.

Well there's Bran...



And Ned's on the cover

[Seagloom]

Bran. That's surprising. I never buy calendars, but I may get this one.

[TJPags]

Addai67 wrote...

CalJones wrote...

I've not read the books so I've watched the whole thing unspoiled. I've been surprised constantly at how things have gone. Which is a good thing, I think, but it does seem as though all the characters I actually like are getting killed or screwed over.

Everybody gets screwed over, but not everybody dies.  At the point I read this event in the books, I started to think GRRM was going to kill everyone and maybe do a big time skip, but that's not the case.

The body count is, I think it's safe to say, the highest of any series I've ever read.  I'm talking major characters, particularly people who seem to be some of THE major characters, at least when you meet them.

I mean, the man kills Robert, Ned and Drago in one book - and every one of them seemed, on my first read of that book, to be seriously important players in this series..  Addai I'm sure knows who else goes in later books, and while I won't say who, I will say the numbers are, IMO, staggering.

Rule of thumb - don't get attached to ANYone.  And don't be surprised when, as Addai said, even those who live get screwed over in a major way.  See, for example, Bran.
 
GRRM really brings a healthy dose of realism to an otherwise happy happy joy joy series.  It's just a shame his writing pace is so glacial.  The man could seriously be an amazing writer.

[Costin_Razvan]

Let's see about who dies.

Oh and SPOILERS.



Ned, Drago, Robert, Renly, Robb, Catelyn, Mormont, Catelyn's Sister, Tywin Lanister, Shae, the Hound ( or not who knows ), The Black Guy who saves Arya, The Hound's brother, Joeffrey

I think I got everyone covered.


SPOILERS END>

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 15 juin 2011 - 11:41 .

[TJPags]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Let's see about who dies.

Oh and SPOILERS.



Ned, Drago, Robert, Renly, Robb, Catelyn, Mormont, Catelyn's Sister, Tywin Lanister, Shae, the Hound ( or not who knows ), The Black Guy who saves Arya, The Hound's brother, Joeffrey

I think I got everyone covered.


SPOILERS END>

MORE SPOILERS BELOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!







That's pretty complete, IIRC.  I do think the Hound did die - he got Ser Berric'ed.

I'll also add - the Red Viper is dead, too.  That's the only addition I can remember right now.

[Addai]

Per Wic-net, GRRM was interviewed at a book signing in Poland and said "the actress cast for Brienne is terrific, I think the fans will really be pleased with her." So we should get an announcement soon. He had not seen any audition tapes for the Blackfish yet. And the interviewer didn't ask him about Melisandre.

[Augustei]

So who do you guys think will end up with the iron throne at the end of it? Daenerys? Stannis?... Tyrion? =P

[TJPags]

I'm not so sure it matters, I think the major conflict is Others v Men.

However, I'm personally betting on Dany . . .with Jon.

[Addai]

THIS IS A VERY SPOILERY DISCUSSION.  Fair warning.

TJPags wrote...

I'm not so sure it matters, I think the major conflict is Others v Men.

However, I'm personally betting on Dany . . .with Jon.

Hehe.  And us R+L shippers think they'll be reviving that old sibling incest thing, too!!  Though for them, I might actually find it non-creepily romantic.

[WeRtheBrox]

I'm assuming I would understand what you mean if I'd read everything so far, but I'm only about 85% through CoK, so instead you just made my brain hurt. 

[Brockololly]

TJPags wrote...

I'm not so sure it matters, I think the major conflict is Others v Men.

However, I'm personally betting on Dany . . .with Jon.

Yeah...if any characters seem to have thick plot armor its Dany and Jon, IMO. I'm half expecting GRRM to do something crazy to shake things up there.

[TJPags]

Addai67 wrote...

THIS IS A VERY SPOILERY DISCUSSION.  Fair warning.

TJPags wrote...

I'm not so sure it matters, I think the major conflict is Others v Men.

However, I'm personally betting on Dany . . .with Jon.

Hehe.  And us R+L shippers think they'll be reviving that old sibling incest thing, too!!  Though for them, I might actually find it non-creepily romantic.

Indeed.  I am one of them as well.

Question, for you and anyone else who has read the books (regardless of your view on this issue, if you have one):  Is there anyone alive now who knows the truth of the R+L=J question?  I seem to think Howland Reed may know . . . but I'm not sure . . . .

[Mister_Shepard]

Gawd I just watched episode 9. That Joffery is the biggest douche. Great acting though. I love actors that play as douches.

[Addai]

TJPags wrote...

Question, for you and anyone else who has read the books (regardless of your view on this issue, if you have one):  Is there anyone alive now who knows the truth of the R+L=J question?  I seem to think Howland Reed may know . . . but I'm not sure . . . .

One of the Daynes perhaps?  Someone had to know whether Wylla had a child or not.  Howland Reed is the other only possibility.

These discussions always remind me of Alistair-Fiona discussions. 

And, the whole thing makes me verklemmt.  I like the Targaryens.  I'm re-watching "Baelor" now and got misty when Maester Aemon was telling his story.  I also really liked Daenerys' line "I was never nothing."  You can tell she's still trying to convince herself.  I hate it when people say Dany is a Mary Sue.  She's so not.

Modifié par Addai67, 16 juin 2011 - 04:23 .