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[Br3admax]

Nobody raised by Ned needs to be on the Iron Throne. D&D did Jon a favor, hopefully. 

[Dark Helmet]

Nobody raised by Ned needs to be on the Iron Throne. D&D did Jon a favor, hopefully. 

 

Jon or Dany Sue.

 

Take your pick.

[Bison]

Nobody raised by Ned needs to be on the Iron Throne. D&D did Jon a favor, hopefully. 

lel you think he's dead.

[Dark Helmet]

lel you think he's dead.

 

I kind of hope he is in the show. Only the dead are safe from D&D's writing.

[Br3admax]

As I said before, if this were Martin, no. In fact I just about know he's not dead in WoW. However, Jon Snow was becoming far too powerful for Game of Thrones, and he needed to be eliminated. And as Ramsay and his 20 good men/5000 cavalrymen were busy, the Crows had to step in. 

[Dark Helmet]

As I said before, if this were Martin, no. In fact I just about know he's not dead in WoW. However, Jon Snow was becoming far too powerful for Game of Thrones, and he needed to be eliminated. And as Ramsay and his 20 good men/5000 cavalrymen were busy, the Crows had to step in. 

 

Obviously the final battle will see Ramsay and the Night's King putting aside their differences to battle Dany Sue.

[Bison]

I kind of hope he is in the show. Only the dead are safe from D&D's writing.

[justafan]

Obviously the final battle will see Ramsay and the Night's King putting aside their differences to battle Dany Sue.

You think Ramsay needs the Night's King to take out Dany Sue?  Give him 20 good men and he could run them both into the ground. 

 

At the same time. 

 

And her little dragons too.

[God]

As one of Ramsay's 20 good men, I can vouch for that.

[Inquisitor Recon]

You too can be one of Ramsay Bolton's 20 Good Men and help butcher characters/narrative. Join up today!

[Jester]

As one of Ramsay's 20 good men, I can vouch for that.

Your username makes this funny.

[SlottsMachine]

Your username makes this funny.

 

God talking about how he'd burn Shireen at the stake was a lot better tho. 

[Dark Helmet]

You too can be one of Ramsay Bolton's 20 Good Men and help butcher characters/narrative. Join up today!

 

*When All 20 slots have been filled Ramsay will begin recruiting for his 5000 Good Cavalrymen*

[God]

God talking about how he'd burn Shireen at the stake was a lot better tho. 

 

I give power to my supporters through sacrifice.

 

What can I say, little girl's blood is amusing.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Who would win in a cage match: shirtless Ramsay or Dany? 

[dreamgazer]

Who would win in a cage match: shirtless Ramsay or Dany?

Shirtless Dany.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Shirtless Dany.

 

Emilia Clarke's breastices haven't made a cameo for like two seasons tho

 

we can't be sure if they're still alive

[dreamgazer]

Emilia Clarke's breastices haven't made a cameo for like two seasons tho
 
we can't be sure if they're still alive

That's what they want you to think. Then boom, they swoop in for the kill like 21 good men.

[Br3admax]

I put Stannis' army against Ramsay's 21 good men stack plus him, and Ramsay lost. Obviously 20 is the optimum number. Deviation from this leads to deadly consequences.

Anyway, I joined the 20 good men, but I mainly just fetch the mead, honestly.

[God]

Welcome, number 04 of Ramsay's Good Men!

 

Two of us are named, who are the other 18?

[Rawgrim]

Emilia Clarke's breastices haven't made a cameo for like two seasons tho

 

we can't be sure if they're still alive

 

I miss Ros.

[MisterJB]

Man, they butchered Stannis' character worse than Shireen.

 

Reminder that book Stannis sent loyal men to gather mercenaries from Essos to seat Shireen in the Iron Throne in case he died in the Battle of Winterfell.

 

I really miss Season One.

[CrutchCricket]

I'll say that I'm rather irritated with the response I was initially given due to its contentious nature (you seemed to be moving to either contradict me or give an unneeded (and in my eyes, condescending) response which wasn't necessary to highlight as I had done just that, highlighting the issue) and its redundancy (you weren't saying anything I disagreed with, but you framed the response in a manner that I found provocative and, as I said, condescending)
 
Back to the question: It's not really pertinent here. I made no statement in contradiction to it, but I state the flaw of the question in the context of the dramatic show (which I stated was because of poor writing on the part of the writers who are more interested in controversy than storytelling). As well, the question is only invalid when stacked with immortal characters who love one another and cannot die. It's unfalsifiable by definition. Given time, every character in the series will meet that point. As well, we are given remarkably few explicit declarations of love. Thus, it's kind of hard to actual state by what number of characters actually even use the L word.
 
In the interest of discussion, I'll simply state there's no argument. I'm in agreement. That you posit the question to me is in lack of recognition that I have no argument.

If the tone was provocative, it can only be because I was a tad provoked. Though not to the point where I felt the need to call it out any more explicitly. Saying "not to be a dick" did not have the countering effect you were hoping for.

 

I have no idea what you found so objectionable or why. You are aware discussion does not always imply argument, yes? That it is possible to add something, not as a rebuttal or even as direct support, but simply as an add-on or expansion to the topic? That's what I was doing. You said love is treated differently in the show I expanded on (one possible interpretation of) how. If anything, your reply pointing me to the books was unnecessary when again, the show is all I can and do talk about at the present time and, even more to the point, we were specifically discussing the show. And by the way, if you speak of condescension, pointing me to the books with a (sigh) like I was some errant student smacks a bit of an old acquaintance of ours on here. I think you know who I mean. 

 

But let's just stick to the topic.

 

I didn't merely cite an example of a truism (we all die, we all love etc.). In the show there is a more direct relation between love and death, of correlation, not causation but so strong it blurs in the meta. Let's take a look:

 

Ned/Catelyn- probably the only example of a happy marriage thus far, we know full well how they bought it. Admittedly this only fits in retrospect as neither of their deaths are really related to their marriage, except maybe Catelyn's very tangentially. You can make this an interesting anomaly if you consider Littlefinger and his unrequited love for her, being the catalyst for their demise.

Robb/Talisa- the most obvious example. Things went ****** up as soon as he married Talisa. Also an example where love is the direct cause.

Jon/Ygritte- both killed by the same damn kid, both suffered as a result, made their lives more complicated and took actions/hesitated in ways that made them more vulnerable.

Tyrion/Shae- had this even before the events of the show but more glaringly with Shae. Also counts as a cause as Shae is what tripped him and damned him from her very presence to her betrayal. Also (this is pure speculation) would Tywin have died if it weren't for Shae? Tyrion wouldn't have been as raw and might've escaped without even confronting his father. Finally, my earlier "immortal" remark was a tongue in cheek reference to his improbable luck/suspected plot-armor.

Robert- the final straw was Lyanna Stark (who might also count for Rhegar). He started a war that annihilated a dynasty and it's his love enduring that has at least a part in ****** up his marriage to Cersei and eventually leading to his demise.

Daenerys/Drogo- this may be Stockholm syndrome but when does Drogo buy it? At the height of his relationship with Dany. Bonus points in that it's specifically her "care and compassion" that not only offs him but puts him in a state of living death.

Renley- Loved Loras. If that's not as clear in the show, Brienne's unrequited love for him still counts.

Jorah Mormont- admittedly avoided this fate for at least three seasons but now we know he's a dead man walking. A bit more causation here as well as he wouldn't have been hanging around Stoneman central if he hadn't been trying to get back to Daenerys.

Lysa Arryn- batshit insane, also batshit for Littlefinger. Clearly did not turn out well for her.

Oberyn- obviously not love that killed him (unless avenging falls under sibling love), but was in love nonetheless. Also a lot of ****'s been done in the name of that love this season.

Myrcella- young love with Tystane. Dies while admitting love for true father.
Jaime/Cersei- probably the toughest to fit in. Technically it's their love for each other that caused all this **** and while they're still alive, they've clearly suffered and lost quite a bit. Jaime his hand and two of his children, Cersei, her dignity and two of her children.

Myranda- a psycho but it is implied she loves Ramsay

 

Pseudo-examples (don't really fit the pattern but are sort of similar)

Greyworm gets weaker after that water frolicking and subsequent phantom hardons for Misande (sp)

Joffrey dies at his own wedding (debatable since he was a sadistic freak but he did seem at least a little taken with Margaery)

Tommen loses Margaery to zealot assholes. She's alive but her position is highly worrying.

 

If we're to take that for a romantic pairing, then my offer of Sam and Gilly stands. It may not be explicit, but it's pretty obvious they love each other. And they're both still alive and well as far as the show goes. Now, you could argue that Sam has lost Jon (and what brothers that he was close to like Pyp, Grenn, and Maester Aemon), and Gilly her sisters at Craster's Keep (those that weren't rescued by Jon Snow last season). However, that serves to undermine the intended point I think you were trying to make.

I admit Sam and Gilly are currently an exception to the rule. Though not for lack of trying. And I guess we'll see how long they last now that they don't have Jon watching their backs.
 

She believes Fire makes for the "best death". She says it to Davos son. Death by fire leads straight to her lord.

But could she take the pain if it came down to it? Or would she finally break?

 

And what would happen if Stannis gave her the opposite? I don't know what that'd be. Drowning? Freezing? We know she's not cold but that's not necessarily an immunity to cold, it may only be a resistance.

[Dermain]

Balon has been studying Ramsay.

 

Only instead of 20 Good Men he now has.... 80 Good Men!

And two good boats... 

[WildOrchid]

The only good thing that will happen in this show is seeing Ramsay Stu getting skinned in a painful, slow way.