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[Fast Jimmy]

I'm not sure how much longer I can go through life without hearing the full version of "Rastafarian Targaryean."

[Lulupab]

I always wanted Dany to rebuild Valyria and not go back to Westeros. Essos needs order too. But I know it won't happen.

[DEUGH Man]

[Fast Jimmy]

https://www.youtube....h?v=HcNoB4O9Mg8

Glorious.

[CrutchCricket]

[Metalfros]

 

Video doesn't work anymore, but I do agree. I see in Stannis one of the only people with a claim on the throne that actually cares about the threat Beyond the Wall. Although Dany with her dragons or Jon's claim could also be beneficial for the war for the dawn. As lang as it isn't a Lannister.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Snook knows no king but the King in the North, whose name is Stark.

[DEUGH Man]

Snook knows no king but the King in the North, whose name is Stark.

Then Snook has no King.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Then Snook has no King.

 

There is a Queen. And Rickon I guess. 

[Malanek]

Not necessarily. The High Sparrow has the support of the commoners (which may or may not have been shown in the show) so any move Cersei makes against him will turn the public against her even more (because they certainly don't respect her after her walk). 

Not really. The majority of commoners support the Tyrells and the High Sparrow has Margaery locked away. But Cersei is not liked at all.

 

Will be interesting to see what Cersei tries next.

[CrutchCricket]

Video doesn't work anymore, but I do agree. I see in Stannis one of the only people with a claim on the throne that actually cares about the threat Beyond the Wall. Although Dany with her dragons or Jon's claim could also be beneficial for the war for the dawn. As lang as it isn't a Lannister.

Guess you need to watch it on Youtube.

 

Stannis Baratheon: Not the king Westeros deserves, but the one it needs right now.

 

Honestly the Daenerys/dragon situation is starting to annoy me. Yeah they're badass when they do ****, but they're so random and unreliable.Two of them chained up for a crime they didn't commit and Drogon going by appearances this season is only useful 25% of the time. Sure I'll pull your ass out of your own mess Dany, I'll just set you down right here in the path of a Dothraki horde. Have fun, waka waka!

 

People may hate on Melisandre but at least she got results reliably.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

The top comment in that video is the author lamenting that 4 days after he made it, Stannis burned Shireen. The fact that he died a week later almost makes it funnier.

[Han Shot First]

Totally O/T...

 

But is it just me or could William Tecumseh Sherman pass for Stannis?

 

[CrutchCricket]

The top comment in that video is the author lamenting that 4 days after he made it, Stannis burned Shireen. The fact that he died a week later almost makes it funnier.

Very little about how the show treated Stannis is funny. I wonder if besides the stated dislike of the writers, they just didn't feel like paying Dillane to come back another season. Or, worse, if he didn't/couldn't come back.

 

In any case, the live footage in that video ending with "Loving father" is jarring and perhaps seems cruelly ironic. But the thing is, Stannis really did love his daughter. He didn't burn her casually, because he was bored.

 

"Sacrifice is never easy... Or it's no true sacrifice."

 

I had planned to write a more lengthy post on my thoughts on Stannis- but it seems someone else has done it for me. In looking up the exact wording of the above quote I found this:

 

http://www.reddit.co...is_reaction_to/

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I'm really not sure what people are defending about Stannis decision anymore. It didn't pay off. He his ruthlessness and ambition lead directly to his defeat and death. Stannis didn't save anyone by killing her. They all died anyway. It was, by any practical measure, the wrong choice. 

[Dermain]

I'm really not sure what people are defending about Stannis decision anymore. It didn't pay off. He his ruthlessness and ambition lead directly to his defeat and death. Stannis didn't save anyone by killing her. They all died anyway. It was, by any practical measure, the wrong choice. 

 

Hindsight's a ****** ain't it?

 

I apologize for the bad grammar.

[Metalfros]

I'm really not sure what people are defending about Stannis decision anymore. It didn't pay off. He his ruthlessness and ambition lead directly to his defeat and death. Stannis didn't save anyone by killing her. They all died anyway. It was, by any practical measure, the wrong choice. 

 

I still think Melissandre will use the power to resurrect Jon. Then he has saved all the lives in Westeros.

[KT Chong]

Melissandre resurrects Jon Snow... either by having sex with his corpse, or then have sex with the resurrected Jon.

 

Skip to 1:50:

 

 

Either way, they have a sex scene (i.e., a "bigger scene") coming.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

I don't even think Stannis' demise was the most underwhelming death this season by a long shot. That goes to Barristan Selmy. I mean seriously, killing him off was 100% shock value.

And now we'll never hear his TWOW battle speech in his voice. Such a shame.

[Fast Jimmy]

Guess you need to watch it on Youtube.

Stannis Baratheon: Not the king Westeros deserves, but the one it needs right now.

Honestly the Daenerys/dragon situation is starting to annoy me. Yeah they're badass when they do ****, but they're so random and unreliable.Two of them chained up for a crime they didn't commit and Drogon going by appearances this season is only useful 25% of the time. Sure I'll pull your ass out of your own mess Dany, I'll just set you down right here in the path of a Dothraki horde. Have fun, waka waka!

People may hate on Melisandre but at least she got results reliably.

...except the two times when results were most needed (Kings Landing and Winterfell).

The dragons are weak. Not only can Dany not control them, but the biggest and baddest among them, Drogon, got wounded by a bunch of pansy nobles in masks. And it's supposed to take out an army?

I'll believe that when my sh!te turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbet.

[MisterJB]

One thing HBO did damn well is Ungregor.

Those dead eyes and skin, that raspy breath and that size. That thing is bleeding terrifying.

 

I can't wait to see it in action.

[Addai]

I'm really not sure what people are defending about Stannis decision anymore. It didn't pay off. He his ruthlessness and ambition lead directly to his defeat and death. Stannis didn't save anyone by killing her. They all died anyway. It was, by any practical measure, the wrong choice. 

I don't think anyone is talking about Stannis' decision, but about the poor decisions of the show runners concerning his character.

[CrutchCricket]

I'm really not sure what people are defending about Stannis decision anymore. It didn't pay off. He his ruthlessness and ambition lead directly to his defeat and death. Stannis didn't save anyone by killing her. They all died anyway. It was, by any practical measure, the wrong choice. 

No, plot bullshit via "20 good men" and the Asspull Calvary led to his defeat and death.

 

And success is not required to make a choice right.

 

Stannis moving forward is inevitable for good or ill. You're flat out told this in the show. He's going to do everything in his power to win, that's also inevitable. Even though he hates it. This too is straight up told. You see what it does to him as a person but his duty and destiny are clear. It's not ambition. If it were, you'd see him even more determined and pissed off after Shireen has been sacrified. Fate and a shirtless bastard forced him to give up more than he should've and one of them is going to pay.

 

But that's not what you see. He's worn, he's tired. He's almost going through the motions. I was wrong before when I said he lacked conviction and compared it to a Sith sacrifice as initiation into the dark side. The Sith seek power to serve only themselves and when they sacrifice they do it to remove things that may hold them back (morality, humanity) and use their pain and anger to commit and motivate them to get more power. But here it's different. Here Stannis isn't doing it for himself. He's giving up himself, his love of his daughter and his humanity because that's what it takes to move forward with his duty. That's all his character boils down to for good or bad: duty. And it's not lack of conviction either, it's grief at what that conviction takes.

 

Anyway, the point of that reddit page I linked and the view I now hold is basically one of Stannis' strongest quotes: A good deed does not wash out the bad, nor a bad deed the good. Trying to frame Shireen's burning as somehow good is folly. But writing off Stannis for it, if you believed in him before is inconsistent, shall we say. If you liked what he was about, that hasn't changed. He recognized good and bad and didn't hide one behind the other. Stannis did good things. He also did one very bad thing (two I suppose, counting Renly). He should be rewarded and punished accordingly. Thing is, he was never really rewarded, only punished. Is that justice?

 

...except the two times when results were most needed (Kings Landing and Winterfell).

The dragons are weak. Not only can Dany not control them, but the biggest and baddest among them, Drogon, got wounded by a bunch of pansy nobles in masks. And it's supposed to take out an army?

I'll believe that when my sh!te turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbet.

She wasn't allowed to go to King's Landing. And she got results at Winterfell, the snow was melting. However the power of the Lord of Light is insignificant compared to the power of biased writers and their Asspull Calvary.

 

Exactly my point. Everyone praises the dragons but they're unreliable at best. And Drogon, who's just been established as coming to Daenerys' aid when she really needs it now decides "Dothraki horde incoming, they're known to kill and rape in the best of circumstances and they hate her, **** it I'm tired" Or are you going to claim he knows she'll be fine? How does he know that? Did he read the script?

 

Well you best consult a doctor and check your diet then, because every time Melisandre's used her magic, she succeeded. Pro tip: Her magic isn't instant I-Win buttons.

[God]

There is a Queen. And Rickon I guess. 

 

Then you are a usurper who will bend the knee or be destroyed.

 

Be known that Snook supports the King Who Lost The North.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

No, plot bullshit via "20 good men" and the Asspull Calvary led to his defeat and death.

 

And success is not required to make a choice right.

 

Stannis moving forward is inevitable for good or ill. You're flat out told this in the show. He's going to do everything in his power to win, that's also inevitable. Even though he hates it. This too is straight up told. You see what it does to him as a person but his duty and destiny are clear. It's not ambition. If it were, you'd see him even more determined and pissed off after Shireen has been sacrified. Fate and a shirtless bastard forced him to give up more than he should've and one of them is going to pay.

 

But that's not what you see. He's worn, he's tired. He's almost going through the motions. I was wrong before when I said he lacked conviction and compared it to a Sith sacrifice as initiation into the dark side. The Sith seek power to serve only themselves and when they sacrifice they do it to remove things that may hold them back (morality, humanity) and use their pain and anger to commit and motivate them to get more power. But here it's different. Here Stannis isn't doing it for himself. He's giving up himself, his love of his daughter and his humanity because that's what it takes to move forward with his duty. That's all his character boils down to for good or bad: duty. And it's not lack of conviction either, it's grief at what that conviction takes.

 

Anyway, the point of that reddit page I linked and the view I now hold is basically one of Stannis' strongest quotes: A good deed does not wash out the bad, nor a bad deed the good. Trying to frame Shireen's burning as somehow good is folly. But writing off Stannis for it, if you believed in him before is inconsistent, shall we say. If you liked what he was about, that hasn't changed. He recognized good and bad and didn't hide one behind the other. Stannis did good things. He also did one very bad thing (two I suppose, counting Renly). He should be rewarded and punished accordingly. Thing is, he was never really rewarded, only punished. Is that justice?

 

She wasn't allowed to go to King's Landing. And she got results at Winterfell, the snow was melting. However the power of the Lord of Light is insignificant compared to the power of biased writers and their Asspull Calvary.

 

Exactly my point. Everyone praises the dragons but they're unreliable at best. And Drogon, who's just been established as coming to Daenerys' aid when she really needs it now decides "Dothraki horde incoming, they're known to kill and rape in the best of circumstances and they hate her, **** it I'm tired" Or are you going to claim he knows she'll be fine? How does he know that? Did he read the script?

 

Well you best consult a doctor and check your diet then, because every time Melisandre's used her magic, she succeeded. Pro tip: Her magic isn't instant I-Win buttons.

 

Why not? I suppose I'm not really part of the fandom for the books or the show but I get the sense the Starks are generally considered miserable failures because their decisions and nobility lead to their deaths. Stannis' situation is exactly the same, except his lack of nobility caused his death. If his marching on Winterfell was inevitable and burning Shireen was the only choice he could have made, then he must have been doomed form the start, because apparently there was never any way for him to have ever defeated the Boltons.