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[Addai]

slimgrin wrote...

I don't own a tv so I seem to be missing out here. Does this series have supernatural elements? Or is it more like historic fiction? It looks cool.

As Seagloom said, there's more an undercurrent of the supernatural than something you see every day.  To people in the world, magic is something that died out long ago and good riddance.  But it's starting to poke its way back up through the surface.  Mostly it's about human politics, family, power, allegiances, greed, betrayal, etc.

Some people might not know that GRRM said the kernel of the series was his idea of a family where the kids each had their own direwolf pup.

[Maria13]

Addai67 wrote...

It's been confirmed that Gwendoline Christie is Brienne. Ah well, I shall have to trust D & D and GRRM that they know what they're doing.

No, I can see it... Give her a lucklustre haircut or even a no. 3 and mousy haire, she has a flat nose, wonky smile, freckles and that height... Ideal [and clumsily charming...]

[KnightofPhoenix]

Addai67 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

I don't own a tv so I seem to be missing out here. Does this series have supernatural elements? Or is it more like historic fiction? It looks cool.

As Seagloom said, there's more an undercurrent of the supernatural than something you see every day.  To people in the world, magic is something that died out long ago and good riddance.  But it's starting to poke its way back up through the surface.  Mostly it's about human politics, family, power, allegiances, greed, betrayal, etc.

Which is what I love about it.

[Brockololly]

Seagloom wrote...

That is the fear of many a fan. I have no intention of rushing out to buy ADwD on Monday in part because I know the next book will be a long time in coming. The man is sixty-two and not my idea of physical perfection. Art should not be rushed, but I have a feeling "A Dream of Spring" will be finished by another writer at this rate.

But didn't GRRM release A Game of Thrones, A Clash of Kings and A Storm of Swords each about 2 years apart? Arguably those are the 3 best books in the series and he seemed to pump those out at at reasonable pace.

Especially since the series is getting far more exposure now with the HBO series and I think all 4 books are on the NYT Bestseller list, you'd think that might be a little extra motivation to work on The Winds of Winter. Unless the extra attention will just end up causing GRRM to slow down even more and he kind of buckles under the pressure, what with more eyes on the series and all that.

But maybe (hopefully) GRRM just takes the rest of the year off so he can look at The Winds of Winter fresh and not feel bogged down with it.

slimgrin wrote...

I don't own a tv so I seem to be missing out here. Does this series have supernatural elements? Or is it more  like historic fiction? It looks cool.

Well, you do have the internet, no? Or you could give the books a shot.

As Seagloom and Addai said, especially the first book (and first season of the show), there is barely any magic or many supernatural elements. There are some, but they're in the background and most people scoff at them when they might be brought up. And even in the later books where they slowly come more into the foreground, they're still treated in a grounded manner- instead of wizards twirling their mage staffs around pew pewing magic, its more like "Hey, lets make a blood sacrifice to some supposed god from a far off continent to see some vision of the future!"

You could make a comparision that its in many ways similar to The Witcher 2- in that it focuses mostly on politics and backstabbing and so forth but there is supernatural stuff too ( although less in the forefront than The Witcher.)

Modifié par Brockololly, 09 juillet 2011 - 06:34 .

[ottery]

Addai67 wrote...

ottery wrote...

I'm feeling depressed. Could someone please post the the Tyrion-slapping-Joffrey clip?

As you command, ser.

 Better than prescription medicine. 

I suppose that it'll be easy to make Christie look bulkier than she actually is - she'll be in armour most of the time. 

[Seagloom]

I think it shares more in common with Conan magic than the Witcher 2. In any case, whatever inspiration GRRM felt when writing the first three books has clearly fizzled out. It took five years to release "A Feast for Crows" and six years to finish "A Dance with Dragons". An author is only as good as their latest effort; and while the quality of his work is as strong as ever, the release schedule has slowed to a crawl. That he is taking a year off before beginning the next project does not fill me with hope. GRRM would need to finish in the span of a year to match the pace he kept early on. *Highly* doubtful.

I think the HBO series will serve as a distraction; not an impetus to rush his last two books. I do not think he will buckle under pressure. If anything he seems to have a good grasp of his priorities and limitations. The man is just taking his sweet time is all.

Modifié par Seagloom, 09 juillet 2011 - 09:00 .

[Nerevar-as]

I agree about the Conan magic thing. I don´t think we´ll see much magic here that could help much in close combat, while in TW universe the best way to deal with a sorcerer is surprise or you are in deep trouble. I started reading both sagas at the same time and they complement each other in their approach to Dark Fantasy.

[Addai]

I can understand why the pace of writing slowed, though. He said he got stuck at certain points he could not get out of, and was plagued by timeline. The middle of a story is hard. There are lots of plates spinning and your timing has to be perfect or you won't be able to stick the landing. We know from his comments about Lost that he's worried about sticking the landing. I still say, he should take whatever time he needs. Since he said he thinks he can keep up with the HBO series, that seems hopeful. If the series ever gets cancelled, OTOH... 

Modifié par Addai67, 09 juillet 2011 - 09:35 .

[Nerevar-as]

I´d rather wait 5 years for a book than having The Wheel of Time again. Quite good up to the sixth book, and then most that happens until Sanderson took over is filler.

Modifié par Nerevar-as, 09 juillet 2011 - 10:00 .

[Maria13]

Yes, agreed with the comments on an author taking his time as a positive. Cervantes wrote the first half of Don Quixote (started it in jail) and then took five years to write the second (much better part). What threw him of his mojo was that another author penned a second part really quickly to cash in on the success of the first... These things happen. Rushing can be bad.

[GodWood]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
As Seagloom said, there's more an undercurrent of the supernatural than something you see every day.  To people in the world, magic is something that died out long ago and good riddance.  But it's starting to poke its way back up through the surface.  Mostly it's about human politics, family, power, allegiances, greed, betrayal, etc.

Which is what I love about it.

You'd love the books even more

[Brockololly]

Game of Thrones Violin Cover

Thats pretty damn awesome.

[Seagloom]

I still prefer WhiteNoise Lab's rock cover, but that was sweet enough to add to my playlist.

[HoonDing]

Nerevar-as wrote...

I´d rather wait 5 years for a book than having The Wheel of Time again. Quite good up to the sixth book, and then most that happens until Sanderson took over is filler.

In case of Wheel of Time, though, the filler started to come out *after* Robert Jordan started slowing down. The first six books were all published one year after another.

[Seagloom]

I just realized I never commented on Gwendoline Christie getting cast as Brienne. How did I forget to when she is one of my favorite characters? I like that they got someone tall. Her face would need serious work to pass as Brienne, though. Also, she is way too thin to convincingly take up the role. That said, this casting does not surprise me, and I am beyond the point of caring.

Tyrion is way more handsome than described in the books. Lysa is thin and just shy of personable. Most of the characters described as bald or with odd features have full heads of hair. Ser Jorah looks handsome on the show; whereas his novel counterpart has an almost brutish bent to his description. Syrio's nose is much nicer on the program, Renly's appearance is too effete, ect. I could go on and on.

Bottom line: "Game of Thrones" beautifies every character. Therefore Brienne not resembling her literary counterpart is neither surprising nor noteworthy at this point. I just hope Melisandre is as at least as stunning as described, darn it. ;p

Modifié par Seagloom, 13 juillet 2011 - 03:38 .

[Addai]

Not much casting news this week, but there is rumor (leaked by a Camelot actor) that at least one Camelot alumnus was cast in GoT. Everyone is so gaga over Eva Green, though I'm not sure which role she'd fit. I was hoping for James Purefoy as the Viper. He's praised GoT in several interviews. But, it would be too early for that. So, not sure. I've only seen a couple episodes of Camelot.

[SarEnyaDor]

Not show related - I got my copy of Dances with Dragons yesterday. Am only 15 chapters in so far, but I already feel like I have an embarassment of riches. I didn't hate Feast, though I did feel a little cheated out of some of my favorites ... it is really awesome to have them all back in abundance.

Can't wait until the timeline catches up!

[Addai]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

Not show related - I got my copy of Dances with Dragons yesterday. Am only 15 chapters in so far, but I already feel like I have an embarassment of riches.

I know!!!  There's a book discussion here, though I expect it will be a week or so before I'm finished.  The annoying need to sleep and go to work interferes.

Maybe we'll get some show news at or after ComicCon next week.  There's such a rich panel of GoT people there that I was tempted to go down to San Diego.  I imagine it will be a  zoo.

[Maria13]

Yes, I'm about 22% of the way through (Kindle has no pages!) but I am thoroughly enjoying it.

The prologue alone, the tale of Varamyr Sixskins was worth the price...

[Brockololly]

Addai67 wrote...
Maybe we'll get some show news at or after ComicCon next week.  There's such a rich panel of GoT people there that I was tempted to go down to San Diego.  I imagine it will be a  zoo.

I'm wondering if maybe they don't announce some casting stuff at that panel since they seem to be holding off on naming more names like Stannis or Melisandre- the bigger new roles for season 2.

[Maria13]

Seagloom wrote...

I just realized I never commented on Gwendoline Christie getting cast as Brienne. How did I forget to when she is one of my favorite characters? I like that they got someone tall. Her face would need serious work to pass as Brienne, though. Also, she is way too thin to convincingly take up the role. That said, this casting does not surprise me, and I am beyond the point of caring.

Tyrion is way more handsome than described in the books. Lysa is thin and just shy of personable. Most of the characters described as bald or with odd features have full heads of hair. Ser Jorah looks handsome on the show; whereas his novel counterpart has an almost brutish bent to his description. Syrio's nose is much nicer on the program, Renly's appearance is too effete, ect. I could go on and on.

Bottom line: "Game of Thrones" beautifies every character. Therefore Brienne not resembling her literary counterpart is neither surprising nor noteworthy at this point. I just hope Melisandre is as at least as stunning as described, darn it. ;p

Yeah  Drinklage is personable alright but you couldn't wish for a better actor...  Lysa I found absolutely hideous. Jorah is a mature hearthrob (mmmm... when he says "Kaleesi..."), Syrio was great he looked a tad like Pedro Almodavar, I don't think Renly was too effete, though Loras perhaps was...

I thought the actress they selected for Brienne was rather good. Not classically beautiful, freckles a slightly wonky mouth and ... Tall, so damned tall! As someone said doesn't matter that she's thin except for the nude scenes 'cause Brienne wears armour and shapeless clothing anyway... And don't forget she's a Brit luuvie and luuvies can play anything!!!

[Seagloom]

My main issue with Gwendoline Christie is she still looks attractive to me. Granted, I have never been the shallow type when it comes to appreciating beauty, but Brienne's description in the books is pretty darned off-putting. My hackles are way past getting raised over this sort of thing, though. Books are books and television is television. I understand why they might be fearful of a perfect translation. People on the whole have a harder time sympathizing with truly ugly characters than plain or attractive types. I doubt Brienne's otherwise noble character would be enough to sway the audience if she was hard to look at.

I like Jorah on the show, but he really looks nothing like how his novel counterpart is described. At least to me. I also like Syrio, but again, his novel version was described with less attractive features. Lysa on the show is okay compared to her written counterpart. Tyrion is awesome and cute. At this point I am rehashing my previous post.

I also forgot to mention Sandor Clegane. Drastic difference on GoT. In any case, I can live with GoT's Brienne as long as Christie's acting does the character justice. If not, I will be very cross. -.-

As for Renly, I admit it is a combination of looks and overall demeanor. Renly in the books comes across as more masculine, capable, and less whiny. Far less whiny. He has his lavish clothing habit and a boundless love of humor, but he comes across as much surer of himself. When I look at GoT's Renly, I get the sneaking suspicion the showrunners softened him up because of his sexuality. That does not sit well with me. It is as if the showrunners are nervous about making a gay man come across somewhat manly. They should have at least shown him in armor, or riding at the joust. Also, his almost total lack of humor on GoT kills me. I was not too bothered with Renly's GoT rendition at the time of airing. Chalk it up to foggy memories of random tidbits in AGoT and ACoK. Now that I have the novel fresh in my mind, GoT-Renly irritates me. As tempting as it is to blame the actor, I think the real culprits here are the writers and producers.

Modifié par Seagloom, 14 juillet 2011 - 12:49 .

[Brockololly]

Seagloom wrote...
I also forgot to mention Sandor Clegane. Drastic difference on GoT. In any case, I can live with GoT's Brienne as long as Christie's acting does the character justice. If not, I will be very cross. -.-

Thats pretty much what it comes down to for me- so far many of the characters on the show doen't quite match up visually with how I picture them, but in terms of acting they're all pretty good so far and well, I guess I'm a glass half full kind of person with the show. There are so many ways it could be screwed up and so far so good.

Although like with Sandor's disfigurement, I do wonder how far they'll go in the future with how some characters get mangled up and whether (or how much) they tone down said disfigurements- I'm mainly thinking Tyrion at Blackwater. Cause just practically speaking its got to be difficult doing that sort of thing, simply in having the actor need to go through who knows what sort of makeup.

I just hope Brienne looks tough- the actress certainly has the height, but I don't want her just looking like a lanky model swinging a sword around. But I guess throwing some big armor on her could help that...although there are times she won't be all armored up, unless they change things.

Modifié par Brockololly, 14 juillet 2011 - 12:46 .

[elearon1]

Seagloom wrote...

Syrio's nose is much nicer on the program, Renly's appearance is too effete, ect. I could go on and on.

Syrio doesn't look *anything* like I expected him to ... nor do many of the other characters.  (especially many of the female characters)  That said, the acting - in general - has been top notch, so one has to give them kudos for that.  

[Maria13]

Seagloom wrote...

My main issue with Gwendoline Christie is she still looks attractive to me. Granted, I have never been the shallow type when it comes to appreciating beauty, but Brienne's description in the books is pretty darned off-putting. My hackles are way past getting raised over this sort of thing, though. Books are books and television is television. I understand why they might be fearful of a perfect translation. People on the whole have a harder time sympathizing with truly ugly characters than plain or attractive types. I doubt Brienne's otherwise noble character would be enough to sway the audience if she was hard to look at.

Thing is they're actors and part of their presentation is that they have to look good in the official photos and their media appearances etc. As for sympathizing with ugly characters I take your point. Men have it easier too, thinking say of Battlestar Galactica, I really liked Edward Olmos, Coronel Tigh and the Engineer guy and none of them were handsome... But then of course, casting an eye over the female characters... The were all lookers... The era of the ugly female heroine has yet to dawn, I'm afraid and it's unfair.