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[TJPags]

Brockololly wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Whoever plays Roose needs one thing . . . . a lack of expression.

That's the thing that stands out to me about Roose . . . .his calm demeanor, and lack of visible reaction, that never lets you know what he's thinking.

This video of Michael McElhatton has some shades of Roose, IMO. Mind you, its a comedy video, but some of the lines/expressions make me think he can do the cold creepiness of Roose Bolton.

Yup, I can see it.

[Brockololly]

Addai67 wrote...
So we're still waiting on Ygritte, Vargo Hoat, Ramsay, Craster...  They're not being terribly forthcoming here, since they're already shooting.

And Halfhand! I don't know why they're seemingly holding out on roles like the ones you mentioned, since all told they're not the big roles for this season like Stannis or Mel or Davos. Its not like any of the remaining roles will likely be filled out by big name people anyway.

I just hope that doesn't mean they cut characters like Vargo Hoat and the Brave Companions or Blackfish or the Tully's in general.  And yet they're seemingly adding (or at least mixing together) characters like this Alton Lannister.

[TJPags]

Wait - who in the hell is Alton Lannister???

[Addai]

I'm surprised they didn't get any big names- I was sure they would think they had to replace Sean Bean- but I like it that they aren't. Gives other actors a chance, and more budget for direwolves! I'm guessing they had to cut a deal with the Irish government that they'd cast a certain number of Irish actors, since there were noises they were going to lose tax breaks in Belfast and maybe the Paint Hall which is where they do the big indoor shoots. Fortunately they didn't.

@Brock, your avatar lends a little bit of awesome to every post. lol

[Addai]

TJPags wrote...

Wait - who in the hell is Alton Lannister???

The fandom thinks it's supposed to be Cleos Frey, re-named.

[naughty99]

Brockololly wrote...

Game of Thrones as an old school RPG

HAHAHAHA!

that totally made my day, thanks for posting!

[TJPags]

Addai67 wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Wait - who in the hell is Alton Lannister???

The fandom thinks it's supposed to be Cleos Frey, re-named.

That . . . I just . . .  . .

nevermind.  I'm going back to reading aDwD.

[BigEvil]

Now the question is, does Alton Lannister have a tower?

Also, while perusing a topic on another forum for Game of Thrones someone posted this link. Apparently his aunt got some pictures of season 2 being filmed, so a big thanks to her for these.

www.flickr.com/photos/crafted/sets/72157627214873289/

It seems the general consensus is these are the statues of the seven which Melisandre has burned at Dragonstone. Awesome stuff.

[Addai]

Those are cool shots.  Oh you wily iconoclast, Mel!

GRRM has confirmed Michael McElhattan will play Roose Bolton.  Via westeros.org, this fantastic showreel of his work erases any doubt he can handle the Flayed Man.

edit:  Obviously the sound is not fantastic.  lol  I posted at work (no sound) so I was just watching his facial expressions.  Better to turn the sound off.

Modifié par Addai67, 11 août 2011 - 12:41 .

[JoeLaTurkey]

Overall it was a good adaptation - with some glaring annoyances.

I understand the Battle of the Green Fork omission due to budget limitations - but I wish it hadn't been done at the expense of Tyrion's character.

Lena Heady has been a bland and disappointing Cersei with only one facial expression. Renly is terribly miscast; neither handsome nor charismatic, bearing nothing of the young Robert Baratheon, and Shae has been given far too much fleshing out and screen time - yes she will be important later, but for now she requires no special treatment.

Another issue has been the sexposition - excessive and overlong sex scenes involving Ros where simple dialogue between major or minor characters would have sufficed. I don't need to see Viserys talking about dragons in a tub with a prostitute for six whole minutes thank you very much - get back to the plot.

That being said, there is much to praise and look forward to. The visuals are stunning - if a bit limited. Peter Dinklage and Maisie Williams have put forward show-stealing performances, Sean Bean, Mark Addy and Charles Dance bring their characters to life perfectly, and George R. R. Martin's heavy involvement with writing and development keeps me hopeful that this wonderful story can be properly told.

8.5/10

[Seagloom]

I expect they shot the Viserys and Doreah tub scene to make up for cutting out Tyrion's dragon lore exposition in the book. It was an internal flashback when he camped on the way to the Wall. Judging from the absence of Bran and Jon's much more important dreams, we can safely say those are verboten to the showrunners. Silly as that tub scene was, I give it a pass.

I also agree on Renly being a disappointment. Not for the precise reasons you gave, however. I blame his mishandling more on the writers and directors. They botched his characterization badly. Also agree on Shae. They are going too far out of their way to build her up into someone mysterious and special, when she is a bit character in the overarching story. I cannot believe characters such as the Blackfish were diced out in their entirety while Shae gets puffed up. -.-

I disagree on Cersei, though. It mainly stems from Lena Headey making her feel like more sympathetic character than her bat**** novel counterpart that has zero redeeming qualities. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

@BigEvil - Seeing that car on the sand is so jarring. XD It seems off, though. Why is she not wearing red?! This is Melisandre, dammit!

[Druss99]

BigEvil wrote...

Now the question is, does Alton Lannister have a tower?

Also, while perusing a topic on another forum for Game of Thrones someone posted this link. Apparently his aunt got some pictures of season 2 being filmed, so a big thanks to her for these.

www.flickr.com/photos/crafted/sets/72157627214873289/

It seems the general consensus is these are the statues of the seven which Melisandre has burned at Dragonstone. Awesome stuff.

Bollocks thats like 20 minutes up the road from me. I could have went and done some ogling. I feel like I've missed out now.

I really didn't like Shae at all. I can't put my finger on it but I just don't like her, theres something off about her. Speaking of fingers, I hope they bring Ros back for season 2. Nudity aside I enjoyed her R2-D2 like role of linking things together....and she was naked....alot....

Modifié par Druss99, 10 août 2011 - 11:46 .

[Addai]

Seagloom wrote...
I cannot believe characters such as the Blackfish were diced out in their entirety while Shae gets puffed up. -.-

Just a word on this, GRRM has hinted that he's feeding some info to D & D about characters' future involvement.  I wondered if we will hear more about Shae's background in coming books.

*leaving that sketchy to avoid spoilers for non-book readers*

[Brockololly]

Seagloom wrote...
I also agree on Renly being a disappointment. Not for the precise reasons you gave, however. I blame his mishandling more on the writers and directors. They botched his characterization badly. Also agree on Shae. They are going too far out of their way to build her up into someone mysterious and special, when she is a bit character in the overarching story. I cannot believe characters such as the Blackfish were diced out in their entirety while Shae gets puffed up. -.-

Its been a little while since I read GoT and the show has likely colored my memory, but how do you feel the show botched his characterization? Obviously you didn't have the shaving scene with Loras in the book, which made HBO Renly seem more like he was being pushed into wanting the throne. From what I recall of the book, he didn't strike me quite as interested in the throne as he did in the show.

And agreed on Shae- I never liked her and Tyrion's plot too much in the books as it started to drag in ACoK I thought. And the show's portrayal is goofy, what with giving her some exotic foreign sounding accent, when in the books (as I recall) she was a pretty common **** that Tyrion took a liking to,

But you're right on Blackfish too. I imagine its a budget issue in part, but the cool thing in the books is how characters are introduced in the early books and come into more prominent roles later on- they aren't just introduced all of a sudden when they're needed to do something important. So I worry that the show will simply dump new characters in only when absolutely plot critical or they'll just end up getting rid of some completely, likely in favor of adding more easy to film sexposition type scenes with the likes of Ros and Shae. Meh.

Seagloom wrote...
I disagree on Cersei, though. It mainly stems from Lena Headey making her feel like more sympathetic character than her bat**** novel counterpart that has zero redeeming qualities.

I think part of the issue with Lena Headey is she only has the one sort of mildly disgusted facial expression. Maybe its not her fault as much as the writers or directors. I think she's doing a good job, but in the books, especially if the show gets to AFfC, thats when Cersei goes total bat**** insane I think.

Seagloom wrote...
@BigEvil - Seeing that car on the sand is so jarring. XD It seems off, though. Why is she not wearing red?! This is Melisandre, dammit!

Mel is in those pictures? I'm pretty sure they were mainly filming that stuff on the beach at night though, burning the seven and all that. Interested to see how Dragonstone ends up looking.

[JoeLaTurkey]

^ Renly is handsome, charismatic and wins friends easily. Everything about him projects authority and confidence - he's like Robert in his prime; tall, strongly-built, black hair falling to his shoulders.

...and take a look at show Renly. No, my complaints aren't purely about looks (despite the fact that he is lacking in that department) it's about presence. This actor has NONE of it. Can you imagine that Renly leading a glorious rebellion to topple Aerys? Can you imagine him as the hero Robert was? I certainly can't.

[Seagloom]

Brockololly wrote...

Its been a little while since I read GoT and the show has likely colored my memory, but how do you feel the show botched his characterization? Obviously you didn't have the shaving scene with Loras in the book, which made HBO Renly seem more like he was being pushed into wanting the throne. From what I recall of the book, he didn't strike me quite as interested in the throne as he did in the show.

I have it fresh in my memory. Two chapters left to go until I reach ACoK. I wrote about this in detail several pages back. Forgive me if I take the lazy route of quoting myself:

"As for Renly, I admit it is a combination of looks and overall demeanor. Renly in the books comes across as more masculine, capable, and less whiny. Far less whiny. He has his lavish clothing habit and a boundless love of humor, but he comes across as much surer of himself. When I look at GoT's Renly, I get the sneaking suspicion the showrunners softened him up because of his sexuality. That does not sit well with me. It is as if the showrunners are nervous about making a gay man come across somewhat manly. They should have at least shown him in armor, or riding at the joust. Also, his almost total lack of humor on GoT kills me. I was not too bothered with Renly's GoT rendition at the time of airing. Chalk it up to foggy memories of random tidbits in AGoT and ACoK. Now that I have the novel fresh in my mind, GoT-Renly irritates me. As tempting as it is to blame the actor, I think the real culprits here are the writers and producers." - Me

In addition, Renly in AGoK comes across as more cunning. He was plotting to get rid of Cersei and tempt Robert into wedding a Tyrell. He also offers Ned help without coming across as a petulant and ambitious ******. Renly may be the most poorly translated character on GoT.

Brockololly wrote...

And agreed on Shae- I never liked her and Tyrion's plot too much in the books as it started to drag in ACoK I thought. And the show's portrayal is goofy, what with giving her some exotic foreign sounding accent, when in the books (as I recall) she was a pretty common **** that Tyrion took a liking to,

Pretty much. There is nothing exotic about her description or dialogue. The way GRRM wrote Shae, she is almost indistinguishable from that random prostitute Arya sees hanging out from a window when the bells herding people to witness Ned's false confession is rung. She also comes across as more subdued, and a lot less touchy about her lot in life. Shae on GoT acts very sensitive whenever Tyrion implies her being prostitute makes her less of a person.

Brockololly wrote...

But you're right on Blackfish too. I imagine its a budget issue in part, but the cool thing in the books is how characters are introduced in the early books and come into more prominent roles later on- they aren't just introduced all of a sudden when they're needed to do something important. So I worry that the show will simply dump new characters in only when absolutely plot critical or they'll just end up getting rid of some completely, likely in favor of adding more easy to film sexposition type scenes with the likes of Ros and Shae. Meh.

That is my fear exactly. They will bring in Brynden, Roose, ect ect when they need to and not before. That can have long term ripple effects if they are not careful. To be perfectly honest, I expect GoT to diverge drastically from the novels by season three or four. It will not end as a close translation of book to screen. There are too many forces working against that.

Brockololly wrote...

Mel is in those pictures? I'm pretty sure they were mainly filming that stuff on the beach at night though, burning the seven and all that. Interested to see how Dragonstone ends up looking.

My mistake. What I thought was Melisandre was another statue.

Modifié par Seagloom, 11 août 2011 - 01:52 .

[Brockololly]

Seagloom wrote...
In addition, Renly in AGoK comes across as more cunning. He was plotting to get rid of Cersei and tempt Robert into wedding a Tyrell. He also offers Ned help without coming across as a petulant and ambitious ******. Renly may be the most poorly translated character on GoT.

Yeah, thats a good summary there. And the bolded bit is what I remember best of Renly from GoT- in the book when he offered Ned support I remember thinking he came across as being sincere whereas in the show its like he's only doing it cause he wants to nab the throne for himself.

Seagloom wrote...
That is my fear exactly. They will bring in Brynden, Roose, ect ect when they need to and not before. That can have long term ripple effects if they are not careful. To be perfectly honest, I expect GoT to diverge drastically from the novels by season three or four. It will not end as a close translation of book to screen. There are too many forces working against that.

No doubt the show will end up diverging from the books. I think it comes down to how well the characters are maintained. The show is really like the Cliff Notes version of the books and that will likely be even more true as the series goes on and secondary characters and plots are cut and characters are likely blended together. Its a bit like GRRM mentioned in the Google authors video  Addai posted either in this thread or the ASoIaF book thread a couple days back- you've got the Butterfly effect working with any changes in the show versus books. Even so far you've got differences in Marillion getting his tongue yanked out and Mago getting killed by Drogo, both of which didn't happen in the show. And as GRRM mentioned Mago is supposed to have a more significant role in The Winds of Winter.


And it looks like Robert Pugh has been cast as Craster.


I do remember him from Master and Commander as I love that movie. Not that the role of Craster is a terribly complex one or anything, but its one more role filled. Who does that leave?

• Ygritte
• Halfhand
• Balon Greyjoy
• Vargo Hoat
• Hoster Tully
• Edmure Tully
• The Blackfish
• Jeyne Westerling (If they add her, considering I think they've said they wanted to give Robb more time)
• Aeron Greyjoy
• Victarion Greyjoy (He is in ACoK, right?)
• Pyat Pree
• Quaithe
• Strong Belwas
• Meera Reed
• Jojen Reed
• Ramsay
• Ser Dontos
• And the best squire to ever live, PODRICK PAYNE!

I can't remember- Mance isn't in ACoK is he? Is it Rattleshirt who a certain Night's Watchman meets at the end?

Modifié par Brockololly, 11 août 2011 - 04:21 .

[Addai]

Oh, he was in Master and Commander? I'll have to re-watch. I love that movie.

Mance isn't in A Clash of Kings. More's the pity, can't wait for him to show up.  Victarion also appears later, not in CoK that I can recall.

Modifié par Addai67, 11 août 2011 - 02:56 .

[Addai]

So, the casting chatter today is an unconfirmed tweet that Oona Chaplin has been cast.  She's the granddaughter of Charlie Chaplin.



As Quaithe?  Jeyne Westerling?  Or are they going to introduce the Sand Snakes early?

[Addai]

Ok, word from HBO is that Oona Chaplin has been cast as "Jeyne."  When asked whether that means Jeyne Poole or Jeyne Westerling, they said not to assume a last name and that she's just Jeyne.  WTF does that mean.

I'm trying not to be too cynical about this, but this looks like another name change and/or plot change.  I'm wondering if they are going to try to combine Jeyne Poole and Jeyne Westerling into one character.  Yeah, I don't know how that's gonna work either.

[KenKenpachi]

Oh well, color me unsurprised. HBO or hollywood in general NOT keeping the plot or character design as its stated, or even remotely like it. Wow never has happend.

Watch as the show gets more and more popular it will conform to the viewers and not the books, meaning we'll see more horsecrap, maybe even Ned coming up from the grave. Oh well even less TV time for me soon.

[TJPags]

Addai67 wrote...

Ok, word from HBO is that Oona Chaplin has been cast as "Jeyne."  When asked whether that means Jeyne Poole or Jeyne Westerling, they said not to assume a last name and that she's just Jeyne.  WTF does that mean.

I'm trying not to be too cynical about this, but this looks like another name change and/or plot change.  I'm wondering if they are going to try to combine Jeyne Poole and Jeyne Westerling into one character.  Yeah, I don't know how that's gonna work either.

That's . . .pretty much NOT possible.  Not even remotely possible.

Jeyne Poole, if she exists in the TV world, should be with Sansa in King's Landing right now.  Jeyne Westerling is . . . well, somewhere in the Riverlands, IIRC.  One Jeyne marries Robb, becomes pregnant, etc.  The other Jeyne . . .well, vanishes for a time before resurfacing.

Now, remember - we haven't seen Jeyne Poole yet on screen, have we?  And we should have, if she existed in TV GoT.  In fact, if they haven't introduced her yet, there's no point in doing it now - she's done for a whole heck of time/books/seasons.

So this has got to be Jeyne Westerling.  Now, if they take her and somehow give her Jeyne Poole's plotline from aDwD . . .  .that would be so damn dumb.

[Addai]

Ack, spoilers....  please let's not spoil for the people that haven't read the books.

Sansa mentions Jeyne Poole, and I had assumed she was the one at the feast, but this is an unnamed extra.



I think they could combine the story lines.  I won't say more because it's too spoilery.  It would involve a lot of WTFery.  My other thought is that they are trying to limit the number of families they introduce, so they will try to make Jeyne Westerling into a... maybe into a Tyrell or something.  They seem to have this idea that following Martin's story would hurt TV audiences' little brains.

[TJPags]

Well, I tried to avoid getting TOO spoilery . . . . I don't think I really gave anything away, but if I did, sorry bout that.

But yea, it's clear they want to make changes, likely for the reason you stated - they feel the TV audience can't keep up with the wolume of characters and relationships, etc. We see it already with what's her name the ****, and Ms. Greyjoy's name change.

It's why I didn't like certain changes - as example, the ONLY northern lord we met so far was Greatjon. However, Roose Bolton is a major figure, as are the Karstarks, Manderly's, Flint's, Norrye's - hell, they all keep popping up.

I can see how they could do this "Jeyne" change (which I won't mention here, that would be too spoilery) but I really think it would seriously alter the dynamics involved. And that would suck. And making her some sort of Tyrell or something - THAT would make no sense at all.

[Brockololly]

Major "Huh?" on this "Jeyne" news.

As has been said, if its meant to be Jeyne Poole, well, she doesn't have much of anything to do for several books.Not to mentione Jeyne Poole is supposed to be Sansa's age, right?

If its Jeyne Westerling, ok, that makes sense. Are they just not referring to her as "Westerling" because they think that will overwhelm the audience? All they need do is introduce her as part of a minor house thats traditionally allied to the Lannisters once Robb comes into the picture.

Considering A Dance with Dragons, I really have no clue how they'd merge the 2 Jeynes...

Modifié par Brockololly, 13 août 2011 - 02:59 .