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[Seagloom]

Eurogamer reviewed it days ago. Their final impressions were not positive. After reading that I wrote Genesis off as a bargain bin purchase.

[Brockololly]

Yeah, it seems like it tries to do some unique things, but you're probably better off just playing something like Shogun 2 for your strategy fix.

[Addai]

According to Lena Headey's Facebook page, filming for season 2 is nearly done.

[cruelgretchen]

ive read the first 3 volumes , and gotta say i found it quite poorly written.The TV Series somehow managed to enhance it with superiour acting. It seems they capture one book with each Season in the TV series , i wish them luck transfering book 3 into the series ...such IF it survives that long.

Boardwalk Empire is way better anyways

Modifié par cruelgretchen, 26 octobre 2011 - 12:08 .

[barenas]

cruelgretchen wrote...

ive read the first 3 volumes , and gotta say i found it quite poorly written.The TV Series somehow managed to enhance it with superiour acting. It seems they capture one book with each Season in the TV series , i wish them luck transfering book 3 into the series ...such IF it survives that long.

 

Alright, do tell, what other fantasy series do you think is better written?

[cruelgretchen]

barenas wrote...

cruelgretchen wrote...

ive read the first 3 volumes , and gotta say i found it quite poorly written.The TV Series somehow managed to enhance it with superiour acting. It seems they capture one book with each Season in the TV series , i wish them luck transfering book 3 into the series ...such IF it survives that long.

 

Alright, do tell, what other fantasy series do you think is better written?

well there are plenty , but that would make this thread go off topic , wouldnt it??
if this wasnt just a cheap call out , im happy to provide you with quality Fantasy titles to read.,just pm me .

[Eski.Moe]

Looking at Lena's page makes me realise how much I miss The Sarah Connor Chronicles. And she's that much more attractive as a brunette.

cruelgretchen wrote...

ive read the first 3 volumes , and gotta say i found it quite poorly written.The TV Series somehow managed to enhance it with superiour acting. It seems they capture one book with each Season in the TV series , i wish them luck transfering book 3 into the series ...such IF it survives that long.

Boardwalk Empire is way better anyways

Oh my God, the irony. I don't even...

[Addai]

cruelgretchen wrote...
well there are plenty , but that would make this thread go off topic , wouldnt it??
if this wasnt just a cheap call out , im happy to provide you with quality Fantasy titles to read.,just pm me .

That's probably the difference- I don't like much fantasy- I like ASoIaF because it isn't typical fantasy.  The series reads more like historical fiction to me.

We watched the pilot of Boardwalk Empire.  It's pretty good.  The shows are two completely different series, not sure how you could compare them.  Anyway, to each her own.

[Zanallen]

Addai67 wrote...

That's probably the difference- I don't like much fantasy- I like ASoIaF because it isn't typical fantasy.  The series reads more like historical fiction to me.

We watched the pilot of Boardwalk Empire.  It's pretty good.  The shows are two completely different series, not sure how you could compare them.  Anyway, to each her own.

Have you read beyond book 3?

[Addai]

Yes?

ADWD did go more into typical fantasy realm, but what can I say, I'm already hooked. He hasn't lost me so far.

[Zanallen]

Addai67 wrote...

Yes?

ADWD did go more into typical fantasy realm, but what can I say, I'm already hooked. He hasn't lost me so far.

Huh, I don't know. I thought the first book and most of the second were pretty down to earth and not your typical fantasy story. You really only had the Others. It was fairly realistic, I guess. However, after that, magical elements started popping up all over the place.

[cruelgretchen]

well i tbh book 1 was a blast , 2 not too bad , but 3 made me say ..ok thats it ^^.
But honestly i also understand ppl who are already hooked .For example Ive swallowed the whole SK's Dark tower Series patiently through many years,although i felt Book 4 was screw up major league with a story heading towards a direction i discribe as redicule. Still i waited for each release to see where /howhe story ends .

Back to GoT. How many Books are released > 4 or 5?

Modifié par cruelgretchen, 29 octobre 2011 - 10:31 .

[Nerevar-as]

Zanallen wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Yes?

ADWD did go more into typical fantasy realm, but what can I say, I'm already hooked. He hasn't lost me so far.

Huh, I don't know. I thought the first book and most of the second were pretty down to earth and not your typical fantasy story. You really only had the Others. It was fairly realistic, I guess. However, after that, magical elements started popping up all over the place.

As long as there´s no obvious combat magic I see no problem. Most magic we see it´s usually things most people on the world, nobility or not, wouldn´t come across. It will also help if Marrtin keeps things consistent and doest fall into the "it´s magic-no need to explain" mentality.

[JeffZero]

I just started watching this show the other night. Haven't yet read the books either. I've only watched the first two episodes but it's pretty good. Characters are already coming into their own and the general plot is mostly interesting.

I won't stick around this thread since I'd imagine most of you are discussing "common knowledge" stuff (the entire first season plus the first five books, right?) at this point but just wanted to quickly chime in here.

[Apollo Starflare]

JeffZero wrote...

I just started watching this show the other night. Haven't yet read the books either. I've only watched the first two episodes but it's pretty good. Characters are already coming into their own and the general plot is mostly interesting.

I won't stick around this thread since I'd imagine most of you are discussing "common knowledge" stuff (the entire first season plus the first five books, right?) at this point but just wanted to quickly chime in here.

You're in for a treat. I got hooked earlier this year, and just now finishing up Book 5 (well, 6 really as the third was split into two actual books).

I've been following the production of season 2 fairly closely and it looks like it'll be as high in quality as the first. Only one key plot that has me worried in regards to adaptation, but obviously I won't go into details. Hopefully they pull it off.

Whilst it is inevitable that the show deverges somewhat from the books I think it's important that they keep such divergances, as much as possible, to the order in which events happen. In other words, I don't mind the order in which we see the key moments (and some not so key, but equally awesome) so long as they are all there without major changes.

They have gotten two seasons (confirmed) to adapt the third book, which is split in two, this should help with the adaptation; they have also mentioned moving a key event in that book up and re-jigging when we see certain characters in order to make actors contracts work. Books 4 and 5 will present their own difficulties as well, but on the whole I'm hopefuly from what I've seen that they will get it spot on.

And yeah, I seriously recommend reading the books. It all depends on how much you mind being 'spoiled' for the tv series (my significant other is only reading the books after the show). Great reads though, hard to put down.

[Addai]

JeffZero wrote...
I won't stick around this thread since I'd imagine most of you are discussing "common knowledge" stuff (the entire first season plus the first five books, right?) at this point but just wanted to quickly chime in here.

We have tried to keep this thread spoiler free past the end of season 1 for those who have not read the books, but it's still dangerous at times.  Here's the book discussion thread, which has spoilers through the end of book 5.

Modifié par Addai67, 30 octobre 2011 - 07:50 .

[JeffZero]

Thanks for the encouragement, Apollo -- I'm loving it! I'll definitely post some thoughts once I'm done, time permitting, in this very thread since Addai has kindly pointed out that the book discussions are kept separate for the most part.

Thanks, both of you.

[Seagloom]

I take part of the blame for spoilers. There were times in this thread I forgot myself and posted boo spoilers. Definitely do not backtrack in this thread as we had a few brief debates laden with spoilers from the first four books.

As for the series, I long abandoned any hope of it keeping in step with the novels. Not that I necessarily see that as a bad thing. It could be fun to see what changes they make and how it impacts the story. I've been avoiding keeping tabs on production for that reason, among others.

[twincast]

Seagloom wrote...
As for the series, I long abandoned any hope of it keeping in step with the novels. Not that I necessarily see that as a bad thing. It could be fun to see what changes they make and how it impacts the story. I've been avoiding keeping tabs on production for that reason, among others.

Yup, likewise.

[Apollo Starflare]

Seagloom wrote...

As for the series, I long abandoned any hope of it keeping in step with the novels. Not that I necessarily see that as a bad thing. It could be fun to see what changes they make and how it impacts the story. I've been avoiding keeping tabs on production for that reason, among others.

Whilst it's inevitable it'll stray in places, don't underestimate them. Having followed the production for s2 quite closely it definitely seems like that are doing much more to stick close to the books than, for example, True Blood did. And I think that is a good thing.

ASoIaF is already so convoluted, twisting all over the place, that I don't think wholesay changes from the source material will be healthy for it. It could easily collapse in on itself if they aren't careful.

The end of s2 and how they deal with it will be an important statement of intent going forward. At the moment they are all about talking up an accurate adaptation but it is with this season that we will see whether they can stick to that with contractual obligations and all sorts of other issues coming at them from all angles.

Won't go into further details in this thread, but I've seen one theory as to how they can pull off one particularly tricky plotline, particularly in regards to where it would go in s3+. It's a theory that, whilst making changes, sticks closely to how things occured in the book, with all the same players involved and noone 'taking the role of' anyone else. It's all based around re-shuffling events to fit filming schedules etc. Really hope they go in that direction as opposed to the other theory I have read which DOES invoke large changes to get around the same problems.

[Seagloom]

I totally lost my faith in them already. Season one already strayed plenty in several respects. Most of Bran's character development was gutted. Renly Baratheon was misrepresented. Cersei was softened up to make her slightly more sympathetic. The timing of Robert's death and Eddard's threat to Cersei means she could not have maneuvered his death. The Blackfish and Roose Bolton were nonexistent. I could go on and on.

That is not to say I think they should include every tidbit from the novels. Obviously that would be impossible. Merely that some of what they ignored in season one will either have farther reaching consequences in the story, or result in disjointed pacing and rushed character development later.

The less I see GoT as a novel adaptation, the more I enjoy it. Otherwise, it is difficult not to rake it through the coals even though I loved it. But as they say, we always hurt the ones we love, right?

[Addai]

I suppose I was pleasantly surprised they were so faithful to the book because I expected the deviations to be worse. Shades of watching the LOTR movies.

[Brockololly]

Apollo Starflare wrote...
ASoIaF is already so convoluted, twisting all over the place, that I don't think wholesay changes from the source material will be healthy for it. It could easily collapse in on itself if they aren't careful.

Yup, especially if they intend to go beyond A Storm of Swords, then the whole thing gets even more complex. You already have some of this with how somebody like Mago was killed off in season 1, when GRRM mentioned he's supposed to come back in The Winds of Winter. Or how they dealt with Marillion. Now, they could easily get new characters to fill their future roles, but part of the thing I really enjoy with the books is how GRRM introduces new characters to little fanfare only to have them pop up later in a more prominent role. That way their re-introduction doesn't necessarily seem forced or like they're only there to fill a plot role, but that they've been around all along, just not on center stage.

Addai67 wrote...

I suppose I was pleasantly surprised they
were so faithful to the book because I expected the deviations to be
worse. Shades of watching the LOTR movies.

Yeah, season 1 was pretty damn good considering all the ways things could have gone wrong. It'll be very interesting to see how things go once they get to some of the key moments at the end of A Clash of Kings and A Storm of Swords. I do get the feeling they're simply aiming for a certain moment in ASoS and then they might be content calling it quits- that they're not necessarily thinking much about the show beyond ASoS.

One thing at a time I guess, but with this series they need more than a little planning ahead.

[Nameless one7]

I think you got to give the show a break, you can't cast so many major characters right from the get go.