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[twincast]

Also, can anyone tell me why this episode's titled "The Old Gods and the New"?

[HoonDing]

ReconTeam wrote...

Plus 5 scumbaggery points for Theon Greyjoy for the totally botched execution. Not one but three slices plus a few kicks.

No coming back from this.

He didn't fail as hard as Jon Snow.

[Addai]

twincast wrote...

Also, can anyone tell me why this episode's titled "The Old Gods and the New"?

No idea.  I was wondering the same thing.

[LPPrince]

I have to admit, I'm with Sable Rhapsody here.

I've read the books, so I notice some of the changes from the novels in the television series.

They don't bug me. I notice them and go, "Ahh, that's different."

My mom is only part way through A Game of Thrones, but she's watched every episode of the show, so I tell her, "This is different, that is different, etc etc".

Sometimes I don't tell her anything and play it off like it IS in the books.

I don't mind it. Sure, its different. But you can't expect them to keep everything the same. That little bit of unpredictability brings folks in, even those who've read the novels.

Plus, if the show followed the novels word for word, you know folks would be complaining about how they saw everything coming a mile away. While I wouldn't, and I imagine most if not all in this thread wouldn't, a lot of folks outside of here would.

They need to take into account a lot of different factors-factors that we as fans are not considering.

Its why we're watching the show and not making it ourselves.

[GodWood]

Really I can only tolerate it because I'm treating it as what it is; a loose fanfiction adaptation that has no bearing on the actual series.

Still, it bothers me that this is what people who haven't read the books are being exposed to. Unfortunate for them really.

[chunkyman]

GodWood wrote...

Still, it bothers me that this is what people who haven't read the books are being exposed to. Unfortunate for them really.

Err... What?

I'm enjoying the TV show immensely without having read the books.

[GodWood]

chunkyman wrote...
Err... What?

I'm enjoying the TV show immensely without having read the books.

I never said otherwise.

My point was that the show is the limit of your exposure and that's unfortunate because the books are vastly superior in every fathomable way.

Don't get me wrong, it's an enjoyable little show but it's simply a shame that it didn't stay true to, and reflect the quality of, its source material.

[Sable Rhapsody]

GodWood wrote...
Don't get me wrong, it's an enjoyable little show but it's simply a shame that it didn't stay true to, and reflect the quality of, its source material.

If you're talking about the "OMG WE'RE SO GRIMDARK LOOK AT US BEING GRIMDARK" attitude the books have, I think the TV show did a pretty good job capturing that   What with the baby-murdering and all.

[LPPrince]

Well, think of this Godwood- the show is inspiring not all, but some to pick up the novels.

For example, when I got my mother and stepfather into GoT, my mom decided to pick up A Game of Thrones.

She's into it.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Ain't easy, but somebody has to do it.

[naughty99]

GodWood wrote...

chunkyman wrote...
Err... What?

I'm enjoying the TV show immensely without having read the books.

I never said otherwise.

My point was that the show is the limit of your exposure and that's unfortunate because the books are vastly superior in every fathomable way.

Don't get me wrong, it's an enjoyable little show but it's simply a shame that it didn't stay true to, and reflect the quality of, its source material.

I agree that the books are superior entertainment.

However, the show works as a show. It should not follow precisely every detail of the books because it's a different format with a different structure. Each episode builds to a sort of climax with a denouement and a cliffhanger moment because this is the proper structure for this format.

Also, despite the large budget for each episode and high production values, there are a lot of financial constraints, large epic battles that are reduced to expository dialogue, or a scene showing the aftermath of a battle rather than the battle itself, etc.

Modifié par naughty99, 09 mai 2012 - 05:45 .

[ObserverStatus]

ReconTeam wrote...

Plus 5 scumbaggery points for Theon Greyjoy for the totally botched execution. Not one but three slices plus a few kicks.

No coming back from this.

Don't spoil it if you've read the book, but at this point, I'm hoping that Robb feeds him to Graywind.

[Some Geth]

naughty99 wrote...

GodWood wrote...

chunkyman wrote...
Err... What?

I'm enjoying the TV show immensely without having read the books.

I never said otherwise.

My point was that the show is the limit of your exposure and that's unfortunate because the books are vastly superior in every fathomable way.

Don't get me wrong, it's an enjoyable little show but it's simply a shame that it didn't stay true to, and reflect the quality of, its source material.

I agree that the books are superior entertainment.

However, the show works as a show. It should not follow precisely every detail of the books because it's a different format with a different structure. Each episode builds to a sort of climax with a denouement and a cliffhanger moment because this is the proper structure for this format.

Also, despite the large budget for each episode and high production values, there are a lot of financial constraints, large epic battles that are reduced to expository dialogue, or a scene showing the aftermath of a battle rather than the battle itself, etc.

Yeah this.

[Aeowyn]

[TobiTobsen]

Aeowyn wrote...

Severe alcohol poisoning after two episodes.

[LPPrince]

Two?

How about one?

[deuce985]

I hate Jeoffry! Wish he'd get killed off already. Not getting ahead in the books.

Tyrion is the best character on the show. He was a outcast growing up but also in royalty. He is the best of both worlds.

Poor Sansa. And I have no idea if I'm spelling this character correctly.

[LPPrince]

deuce985 wrote...

I hate Jeoffry! Wish he'd get killed off already. Not getting ahead in the books.

Tyrion is the best character on the show. He was a outcast growing up but also in royalty. He is the best of both worlds.

Poor Sansa. And I have no idea if I'm spelling this character correctly.

Joffrey, otherwise you're gold.

[ReallyRue]

Maybe it's because I haven't re-read the books recently, but I'm enjoying the show. I wish there was more though. It seems a lot like an hour will pass, and I haven't seen enough. There's so much meat to the books, I just want to shove it all into the series. I think I'd happily watch a full hour of Tyrion just slapping Joffrey in the face, over and over. I really want to get to the scenes with Jaime in them again. His character development from book two onwards always interested me.

The only thing that really bothers me is some aspects of Arya's storyline. I feel like they're trying to make her too compassionate (? can't think of the appropriate word), and it makes me worry that they're going to severely tone her down later on. Like killing the Tickler off straight away, or coming up her list of people she wants dead for a prayer. If they stay true to her later storylines in the books, I'd think it will seem more random because she'd arrive at the same place but without the books' character development to make sense of it.,

[Addai]

Arya's "mantra" is straight from the books.

[TobiTobsen]

LPPrince wrote...

Two?

How about one?

I have a strong liver

[Sable Rhapsody]

bobobo878 wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

Plus 5 scumbaggery points for Theon Greyjoy for the totally botched execution. Not one but three slices plus a few kicks.

No coming back from this.

Don't spoil it if you've read the book, but at this point, I'm hoping that Robb feeds him to Graywind.

Or perhaps Shagga can cut off his manhood and feed it to the goats 

[Gibb_Shepard]

Haven't read the books so don't spoil me, but did anyone else else feel Theons change of alliance and sudden barbarism was completely out of left field? Throughout the entirety of season one the guy was your average noble-like fella. I never saw this power hungry, hateful character up until he went to his fathers land.

It just seemed so poorly done. Is his character better developed in the books? I was as unbelieving as Rob when I saw him do all this ****. It's like a completely different character.

[Aeowyn]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Haven't read the books so don't spoil me, but did anyone else else feel Theons change of alliance and sudden barbarism was completely out of left field? Throughout the entirety of season one the guy was your average noble-like fella. I never saw this power hungry, hateful character up until he went to his fathers land.

It just seemed so poorly done. Is his character better developed in the books? I was as unbelieving as Rob when I saw him do all this ****. It's like a completely different character.

Hm, it's difficult for me to see how you would see it since I've read the books and knew the motivations. Theon's power hungry attribute and hatefulness isn't really about gaining power and hating Winterfell, I think it's more about his father and sister, and how he hasn't been to the Pyke for 10 years and they see him as an outsider. I think it's more that he wants to prove himself to his father, rather than actually hating the people of Winterfell.

[GodWood]

naughty99 wrote...
Also, despite the large budget for each episode and high production values, there are a lot of financial constraints, large epic battles that are reduced to expository dialogue, or a scene showing the aftermath of a battle rather than the battle itself, etc.

I can tolerate the cutting of expensive scenes. TBH, I expected the series to look much cheaper.

The problem is the complete and total mischaracterisation of certain characters and the stupid changes that will inevitably create a butterfly effect of even more stupid changes.

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