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[Weaverjho]

This is nice, I suppose the free ME2 and the DLC would cost as much as an ultimate edition, which I'd been waiting for.

[Vena_86]

This is just pathetic. How about you stop only figuring out ways how to get into peoples pockets and concentrate on making quality games again? With reputation comes money and pride in your work. So much better than just money.

[Captain_Obvious_au]

Pacifien wrote...

Captain_Obvious_au wrote...
Meh, Bioware fail. I'm a bit baffled by this promotion anyway - hey, let's reward our medieval-themed RPG customers with a futuristic sci-fi shooter! Wait...

Yeah, that's right, I only like Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, and Dragon Age. To hell with that Knights of the Old Republic or Mass Effect.

From my point of view, I've never played Baldur's Gate or Dragon Age, and after having played KotOR I didn't think that much of NWN. Each to their own I guess.

[Geirahod]

I sold my copy of DA2, it was pointless to have a game that didn't comply my expectations...
At least I could have my money back (I'm saving it to buy Star Wars The Old Republic) damn, it better be good...otherwise, I'll be screwed again by my favourite gaming studio <_<.

Modifié par Geirahod, 06 avril 2011 - 04:47 .

[ifander]

I wonder how many complainers registered for the promotion anyway... Whiny hypocrites.

[Geirahod]

ifander wrote...

I wonder how many complainers registered for the promotion anyway... Whiny hypocrites.

If you say that because of my comment, I sold my copy 1 week ago, I didn't registered the copy here, so the person that adquired my game can use the key to sign in here, if he wants.

And besides, I have my own copy of ME2 for PC, why would I want to acquire another?

Modifié par Geirahod, 06 avril 2011 - 05:23 .

[Leonia]

Gotta love how the "Bioware is giving us free goodies" threads always turn into "BIOWARE YOU SUCK FOR NOT MAKING MY DREAM GAME" threads. If you don't like the promotion, don't participate. But don't use this as a soundboard for all your DA2 complaints.. those forums are elsewhere (and already quite full of such complaints).

[Geirahod]

leonia42 wrote...

Gotta love how the "Bioware is giving us free goodies" threads always turn into "BIOWARE YOU SUCK FOR NOT MAKING MY DREAM GAME" threads. If you don't like the promotion, don't participate. But don't use this as a soundboard for all your DA2 complaints.. those forums are elsewhere (and already quite full of such complaints).

I see, you're the bully one, why don't you go back to play your game and let the others be please?


btw, I can't post in those forums because I don't have my DA2 copy, so your suggestion is useless

Modifié par Geirahod, 06 avril 2011 - 05:36 .

[Pacifien]

Geirahod wrote...
And besides, I have my own copy of ME2 for PC, why would I want to acquire another?

Then why respond to a thread about how people can get ME2 for the PC if they bought DA2? Because you don't have DA2 anymore and you already have ME2. So what's the comment here? Did you have an observation here?

I'm not trying to be sarcastic here, I honestly want to know.

ETA: By the way, you don't need to register a copy of DA2 in order to post to the General Discussion forum, where there is also a thread similar to this one.

Modifié par Pacifien, 06 avril 2011 - 05:40 .

[We Tigers]

Terror_K wrote...

Yes... you reached 1 million sales faster than DA:O... mostly because of DA:O. Since then the sales have been plummeting. If it really was for that reason, you would have released this "celebration reward" back when you actually hit the million in the first week or so, rather than now.

Sorry, but this stinks of "DA2 was a massive failure and the fans are saying as much, so here's something to coax you into getting our failgame"

You only have to go to the DA2 forums to see how utterly pissed off the fanbase is for the most part. And yet since its release there hasn't been one apology or admission from any devs at all. On the contrary, Mike "Ruined Dragon Age" Laidlaw has been answering interview questions and continuously defending what DA2 did and basically saying it's a Holy Grail of RPGs and that the fans are wrong to think otherwise.

You've changed BioWare, and not for the better. I can see exactly why Brent Knowles left the team right at the start of DA2's development.

This isn't just for the 500 or so people who gripe on the DA2 boards.  I feel like not many people realize the very, very small percentage of users that participate on the Bioware forums.  Also, why on earth would Bioware do anything in the realm of apologizing for a game they just released?  They're in the business of selling games.

Of course it's a marketing thing.  What do companies who try to sell products do?  Marketing isn't exactly mutually exclusive to "provide a worthwhile service or product."

[Geirahod]

Pacifien wrote...

Geirahod wrote...
And besides, I have my own copy of ME2 for PC, why would I want to acquire another?

Then why respond to a thread about how people can get ME2 for the PC if they bought DA2? Because you don't have DA2 anymore and you already have ME2. So what's the comment here? Did you have an observation here?

I'm not trying to be sarcastic here, I honestly want to know.

Because I don't like people treat me that way, I'm not a thief and I'm not taking advantage and I'm not a hypocrite, just that.
I needed to clarify that point.

Did I do something wrong?, because if I did, I'll apologise, if not...I'll go, do you need to know anything else?

[Pacifien]

Geirahod wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

Geirahod wrote...
And besides, I have my own copy of ME2 for PC, why would I want to acquire another?

Then why respond to a thread about how people can get ME2 for the PC if they bought DA2? Because you don't have DA2 anymore and you already have ME2. So what's the comment here? Did you have an observation here?

I'm not trying to be sarcastic here, I honestly want to know.

Because I don't like people treat me that way, I'm not a thief and I'm not taking advantage and I'm not a hypocrite, just that.
I needed to clarify that point.

Did I do something wrong?, because if I did, I'll apologise, if not...I'll go, do you need to know anything else?

Actually, your response came before the hypocrite comment. That comment was out of line, no one needs to be calling anyone a hypocrite or anything else like that in this thread.

So my inquiry was actually about the need to respond before that. I have an honest desire to know what is wrong with what BioWare is doing by giving away ME2 for free to DA2 owners. Because I get the impression by many people that it is wrong for them to do it. At the worst, I'd expect someone to simply not care. Or the person who owned DA2 who went and bought ME2 last week to be particularly miffed.

Modifié par Pacifien, 06 avril 2011 - 05:59 .

[Terror_K]

It's not that the act itself is bad or anything, it's just the wrapping of lies around it, and BioWare once again trying to put DA2 on a pedestal while simultaneously and directly insinuating that it's better than the original.

What BioWare should be doing now is having the balls to admit they screwed the pooch with DA2, apologise to their fans and promise they'll do better next time. But no... they're too proud and arrogant to do that.

[LiquidGrape]

Pacifien wrote...

 I have an honest desire to know what is wrong with what BioWare is doing by giving away ME2 for free to DA2 owners. Because I get the impression by many people that it is wrong for them to do it. At the worst, I'd expect someone to simply not care. Or the person who owned DA2 who went and bought ME2 last week to be particularly miffed.

Some people apply an absurd kind of pride to the whole thing, I suppose.
"I was not onboard with the decisions made in DA2, therefore, I won't consider any gracious act on BioWare's part as anything but rightful reparation. Which I'm too good for accepting. At least in public. Whaa-whaaa!"

[LiquidGrape]

Terror_K wrote...

It's not that the act itself is bad or anything, it's just the wrapping of lies around it, and BioWare once again trying to put DA2 on a pedestal while simultaneously and directly insinuating that it's better than the original.

What BioWare should be doing now is having the balls to admit they screwed the pooch with DA2, apologise to their fans and promise they'll do better next time. But no... they're too proud and arrogant to do that.

How can you seriously suggest they should "apologise"?
Some people appreciated the changes, some people didn't. They have no obligation to make excuses, and you have no reasonable measure of entitlement to expect it.
I find it absolutely deplorable how certain individuals seem to take the whole thing as a personal insult. The developers are the creative force here, and it is in their right to do what they please with the IP they constructed. It is up to us whether or not we respond to that, and whether or not we choose to purchase.

Please don't present your personal impressions as though they were the objective truth.
They aren't.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 06 avril 2011 - 06:16 .

[Pacifien]

Terror_K wrote...
It's not that the act itself is bad or anything, it's just the wrapping of lies around it, and BioWare once again trying to put DA2 on a pedestal while simultaneously and directly insinuating that it's better than the original.

What BioWare should be doing now is having the balls to admit they screwed the pooch with DA2, apologise to their fans and promise they'll do better next time. But no... they're too proud and arrogant to do that.

I think you're projecting your own interpretation onto what BioWare is doing here based on your own expectations of what you want them to produce.

However, I say this as someone who did like DA2 and loves the fact it pisses people off mightily for all the right reasons. What those reasons are is not something I probably need to go into on the ME General Discussion forum, though.

[Leonia]

Pacifien wrote...
So my inquiry was actually about the need to respond before that. I have an honest desire to know what is wrong with what BioWare is doing by giving away ME2 for free to DA2 owners. Because I get the impression by many people that it is wrong for them to do it. At the worst, I'd expect someone to simply not care. Or the person who owned DA2 who went and bought ME2 last week to be particularly miffed.

Heh, wouldn't you know my husband just bought ME2 for PC last week He's a bit miffed but he'll get over it. I now have an extra code to give away to a lucky friend.

I'm not sure how Bioware is supposed to do anything "nice" for the community when people react like this, however.

[Geirahod]

Pacifien wrote...
Actually, your response came before the hypocrite comment. That comment was out of line, no one needs to be calling anyone a hypocrite or anything else like that in this thread.

So my inquiry was actually about the need to respond before that. I have an honest desire to know what is wrong with what BioWare is doing by giving away ME2 for free to DA2 owners. Because I get the impression by many people that it is wrong for them to do it. At the worst, I'd expect someone to simply not care. Or the person who owned DA2 who went and bought ME2 last week to be particularly miffed.

I guess is because a lot of people spend money on a game that now is given for free, it seems to be a little bit upsetting, but is only my guess, I'm sure that you understand that.
I don't want to keep disturbing the peace around here , and it's late around here, I have to go.

[Captain_Obvious_au]

I agree with Terror. Basically it's Bioware's attitude of insinuating that DA2 is the greatest thing since sliced bread, but we'll give you free stuff if you buy it. Doesn't really make sense.

Plus, DLC sales for PC ME2 users. Come on.

[ifander]

I apologize about the hypocrites comment, generalizing is not the way to go. I was simply annoyed by Bioware getting flak yet again for something they, reasonably, shouldn't. Whatever their reasons, it hardly warrants some of the criticism in this thread.

[Chaos Yoshi]

Umm, I hope this is the right place to post this, but I'm not getting my online pass code to work. I'm pretty sure it was activated a week after Dragon Age II came out so I could download all the content, but it keeps telling me it isn't registered. I even tried signing my 360 in to the DAII servers to get it to work. Nothing...

[skan5]

I didn't get a free copy =(

Oh well. A free game's still a free game, so... glad for those that got it.

And Terror_K, I agree with you that DA2 was bad, but I don't think they should apologize for it, that's just silly. Besides, an apology is meaningless when it only comes because it's been demanded. 

Though I WILL admit, BioWare, you're the first company I've ever seen condescend your own work to promote it's extremely changed sequel. You truely are, and I'm still rather shocked about that.

I think people are annoyed because it looks like you're trying to push DA2's sales on the back of ME2, instead of watching it perform on its own merits. And while 1 million in two weeks... is... notable... it's still not great considering the regular edition of DA2's all ready dropped in price before even 1 month has passed.

EDIT: I should note, that last paragraph, it's not exactly what I think, but just trying to see it from their perspectives.

Modifié par skan5, 06 avril 2011 - 06:29 .

[Pacifien]

Captain_Obvious_au wrote...
I agree with Terror. Basically it's Bioware's attitude of insinuating that DA2 is the greatest thing since sliced bread, but we'll give you free stuff if you buy it. Doesn't really make sense.

Plus, DLC sales for PC ME2 users. Come on.

Maybe it's in how you read it because I didn't read it as "we'll give you free stuff if you buy it" so much as "we'll give you free stuff now you've bought it."

And I imagine BioWare's attitude with anything they've recently released is that it's pretty good. You could disagree with them, and I can understand how that would be annoying to think something's crap when someone else says, no, it's good. But be realistic.

And Pinnacle Station is still the same $5 it cost back when it was first released. You'll get an ME2 Ultimate Edition before a DLC sale. I don't work at BioWare, don't take that as any indication of anything other than my cynical view of things.

[Terror_K]

Pacifien wrote...

I think you're projecting your own interpretation onto what BioWare is doing here based on your own expectations of what you want them to produce.

No, I'm basing it on the fact that the DA2 development team deliberately went out of their way to stab hardcore PC RPG gamers who were fans of the original in the back. Several comments from Laidlaw himself outright stated this. What BioWare did with DA2 was an outright, intentional betrayal. It's as simple as that. They basically shoved a knife in my back and gave me the middle finger after being a loyal fan for all these years and I'm just supposed to put up with that and shrug it off?

[LiquidGrape]

Terror_K wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

I think you're projecting your own interpretation onto what BioWare is doing here based on your own expectations of what you want them to produce.

No, I'm basing it on the fact that the DA2 development team deliberately went out of their way to stab hardcore PC RPG gamers who were fans of the original in the back. Several comments from Laidlaw himself outright stated this. What BioWare did with DA2 was an outright, intentional betrayal. It's as simple as that. They basically shoved a knife in my back and gave me the middle finger after being a loyal fan for all these years and I'm just supposed to put up with that and shrug it off?

Oh, cry me a river.
"Intentional betrayal"?
Look, a creative company cannot possibly foresee the reaction to their output. All they can do is make the game they want to make, and hope their audience responds to it. "Intentionally betraying" that audience doesn't make any sense for a number of reasons, and I sincerely doubt any company in an industry so dependant on profit would ever make that kind decision.
Laidlaw, as far as I've been able to tell, has simply stated that there were aspects of Origins he found archaic and therefore areas open for improvement. I happen to agree. You do not, and that is fine.
That doesn't give you an excuse to play the proverbial martyr in this drama, however.
And it certainly doesn't legitimise the persecution complex you seem to be harbouring.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 06 avril 2011 - 06:39 .