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[phyreblade74]

MG800 wrote...

Why fix something that isn't broken?
Thought Varriand and ghoulish Isabela isn't half as bad as Anders with guy-liner.
Yes.
Anders.
With guy-liner.

Shrug, some people think it's broken.  I don't agree -- except for the lack of pants, mind you -- but I respect that others feel that way.  It's their game, let them play it as they see fit to play it.

[fluffyamoeba]

Sheryl Chee wrote...

Masako52 wrote...
as far as I remember, she's certainly white in the original game.

No, Isabela is not "white" in the original game. I'm kind of tired of people saying that she was always "meant to be white" or  was "clearly a red-head" so I'm going to set the record straight. Isabela was always, always conceived as a dark-skinned, Rivaini woman.

I made the face for her in Origins myself, because Craig (who was implementing her) had a bunch of other stuff to do and I volunteered. Important characters have their heads reviewed and tweaked to make sure they're as close to perfect as possible. Characters that don't have a huge role to play do not usually get this privilege. So Origins Isabela shipped pretty much the way I made her. I gave her the second darkest skintone we had available. Then I gave her brown hair, thinking it would be sun-bleached. I think the reddish cast might be from the lighting in the Pearl.

So that's the story. In DA2, she looks kind of Mediterranean. I like that.

Yeah, her hair is obviously not red in the toolset. It's like you can see the actual skin colour and hair colour values in there and everything :innocent:.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

fluffyamoeba wrote...

Sheryl Chee wrote...

Masako52 wrote...
as far as I remember, she's certainly white in the original game.

No, Isabela is not "white" in the original game. I'm kind of tired of people saying that she was always "meant to be white" or  was "clearly a red-head" so I'm going to set the record straight. Isabela was always, always conceived as a dark-skinned, Rivaini woman.

I made the face for her in Origins myself, because Craig (who was implementing her) had a bunch of other stuff to do and I volunteered. Important characters have their heads reviewed and tweaked to make sure they're as close to perfect as possible. Characters that don't have a huge role to play do not usually get this privilege. So Origins Isabela shipped pretty much the way I made her. I gave her the second darkest skintone we had available. Then I gave her brown hair, thinking it would be sun-bleached. I think the reddish cast might be from the lighting in the Pearl.

So that's the story. In DA2, she looks kind of Mediterranean. I like that.

Yeah, her hair is obviously not red in the toolset. It's like you can see the actual skin colour and hair colour values in there and everything :innocent:.

[MG800]

phyreblade74 wrote...

MG800 wrote...

Why fix something that isn't broken?
Thought Varriand and ghoulish Isabela isn't half as bad as Anders with guy-liner.
Yes.
Anders.
With guy-liner.

Shrug, some people think it's broken.  I don't agree -- except for the lack of pants, mind you -- but I respect that others feel that way.  It's their game, let them play it as they see fit to play it.

What I said was: *I* don't like it . And I don't care how  "others" feel about this - if they agree with me, cool, If they don't  - even cooler, nice to have some variety. I can argue with them, but arguing isn't disrespectful by rule.

[Masako52]

fluffyamoeba wrote...

Sheryl Chee wrote...

Masako52 wrote...
as far as I remember, she's certainly white in the original game.

No, Isabela is not "white" in the original game. I'm kind of tired of people saying that she was always "meant to be white" or  was "clearly a red-head" so I'm going to set the record straight. Isabela was always, always conceived as a dark-skinned, Rivaini woman.

I made the face for her in Origins myself, because Craig (who was implementing her) had a bunch of other stuff to do and I volunteered. Important characters have their heads reviewed and tweaked to make sure they're as close to perfect as possible. Characters that don't have a huge role to play do not usually get this privilege. So Origins Isabela shipped pretty much the way I made her. I gave her the second darkest skintone we had available. Then I gave her brown hair, thinking it would be sun-bleached. I think the reddish cast might be from the lighting in the Pearl.

So that's the story. In DA2, she looks kind of Mediterranean. I like that.

Yeah, her hair is obviously not red in the toolset. It's like you can see the actual skin colour and hair colour values in there and everything :innocent:.

It must have been the lighting in the bar, then. Even looking up pictures on Google of Isabella in DA:O now, she still strikes me as having tanned (but possibly white) skin and reddish hair. Don't get me wrong, I'm really glad that she's got darker skin. I really appreciate that. But in the tavern alone, I wouldn't have really guessed it.

Anyway, yeah, I think Isabela's a cool character. It's nice to see a strong woman who is sexually independent and confident, as well as in a position of "leadership" (being the captain). You'd have guessed that position would've gone to a man, so for that I'll always have a soft spot for her. The fact that she's non-White too really adds points for me, just in Bioware's willingness to make the "sexy" girl not your typical white girl.

But I still gave her pants. <_< 

[tmp7704]

MG800 wrote...

Why fix something that isn't broken?

A double-edged question when you consider Isabela looked quite different in the first game. Why fix something that isn't broken, indeed?

[Addai]

tmp7704 wrote...

MG800 wrote...

Why fix something that isn't broken?

A double-edged question when you consider Isabela looked quite different in the first game. Why fix something that isn't broken, indeed?

Yeah and I think it's a bit much to assume all those people are racist.  They may just like busty blondes.  It's weird, and I prefer subtle morphs if any at all, but it's their game.

It makes the bad poet blind as well as pathetic, though. 

[Taura-Tierno]

Ugh. The blonde Isabela looks too much like a stereotypical Swede, as they almost exclusively appear in american films and tv-series, for my liking. And I'm Swedish, so that's kind of annoying.

[spirit-dog]

The blonde Isabela just feels racist to me.

[Torax]

The most creepy one to me is the one where it takes Bethany's face and puts it on Isabela. Guess it lets those players sleep with Bethany sorta.

Edited to add the link

http://www.dragonage...ile.php?id=2220

Modifié par Torax, 07 avril 2011 - 12:52 .

[Kriselia]

Torax wrote...

The most creepy one to me is the one where it takes Bethany's face and puts it on Isabela. Guess it lets those players sleep with Bethany sorta.

Edited to add the link

http://www.dragonage...ile.php?id=2220

And here I got creeped out when Beth said Anders (who I was romancing) reminded her of their dad...

[Maclimes]

All these "Make Isabela like her old self" mods are BACKWARDS. We need a DAO mod that uses her DA2 appearance. I like the vast majority of redesigns in DA2, and would love to see a mod that makes DAO look more like DA2 (Merril, Isabella, Merithari, Anders, etc).

The only exception is, of course, Alistair. He needs to look like his old self.

[mesmerizedish]

Maclimes wrote...

All these "Make Isabela like her old self" mods are BACKWARDS. We need a DAO mod that uses her DA2 appearance. I like the vast majority of redesigns in DA2, and would love to see a mod that makes DAO look more like DA2 (Merril, Isabella, Merithari, Anders, etc).

The only exception is, of course, Alistair. He needs to look like his old self.

I agree across the board. But I thought Anders looked pretty much the same.

[tmp7704]

Maclimes wrote...

All these "Make Isabela like her old self she was designed by the person who wrote her" mods are BACKWARDS.

fixed. And pretty much addresses itself this way.

[Masako52]

I played the the Dalish Elf origin story in DA:O just yesterday - I played Dalish Elf the first time I ever played DAO, but it's been quite a long time since then and I could only vaguely remember Merrill. Mostly to see Merrill, I did it again.

Someone please make a mod to make Merrill in DAO her REAL DA2 self! Bonus points if you can mod in a Welsh accent. DAO Merrill is just so... wrong! Even if it came first, I don't care!

[Maclimes]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Maclimes wrote...

All these "Make Isabela like her old self" mods are BACKWARDS. We need a DAO mod that uses her DA2 appearance. I like the vast majority of redesigns in DA2, and would love to see a mod that makes DAO look more like DA2 (Merril, Isabella, Merithari, Anders, etc).

The only exception is, of course, Alistair. He needs to look like his old self.

I agree across the board. But I thought Anders looked pretty much the same.

True. I was on a roll, and not paying attention to what I was writing anymore. 

[RPGmom28]

I put the pants on Isabella too. The leather ones match her outfit, and I agree about the thong strap being silly. Of course, I'm not a man.

[Maria Caliban]

DoNotIngest wrote...


Purple Isabela wouldn't offend me so much as white Isabela.

I totally second this.

[Maclimes]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Maclimes wrote...

All these "Make Isabela like her old self" mods are BACKWARDS. We need a DAO mod that uses her DA2 appearance. I like the vast majority of redesigns in DA2, and would love to see a mod that makes DAO look more like DA2 (Merril, Isabella, Merithari, Anders, etc).

The only exception is, of course, Alistair. He needs to look like his old self.

I agree across the board. But I thought Anders looked pretty much the same.

Now that I'm saying it though, I also prefer the control scheme for DA2 (That "attack nearest enemy button", which also doubles as an auto-loot button, is a miracle). And the ability trees ... hm.

Can we just make an expansion or add-on for DA2 that simply is DAO? And import that into a new DA2 save.

That would be tubular.

[Sundance31us]

ipgd wrote...

Seriously though, how many noticed her skin color over...her huge-tracks-of-land?

[Kriselia]

Sundance31us wrote...

ipgd wrote...

(snip)

Seriously though, how many noticed her skin color over...her huge-tracks-of-land?

I noticed when I started wondering why the tracts of land in question were the wrong colour.

[Paraxial]

I'm going to stop browsing this thread now, all it does is ruin my evenings.

[mesmerizedish]

Sundance31us wrote...

Seriously though, how many noticed her skin color over...her huge-tracks-of-land?

In that picture specifically? The first thing I noticed was inappropriate the skin color was to her face.

White Isabela is just ugly. She went to the same person who did Michael Jackson's skin-bleaching.