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[Rockpopple]

@ Faust - Seriously? Wow. Sequelitis.

[Wintermist]

Rockpopple wrote...

I'm shocked that only 2% of us are trolls. I call shenanigans on that. lol.

But in all seriousness, this is very interesting. There's a very clear and even schism here.

I guess the only other stat I'd be interested in, but it's probably impossible to get now, is how people felt about Dragon Age: Origins when it first came out. I mean, I think it's a no-brainer that most of the people here would love DA:O. It's been out for years. Very few people are so bitter as to hang around a forum of a game they hated YEARS ago. So I wonder what the feeling of the game was AT THE TIME.

Guess we'll never know. Still, great stats.

I have an old poll in regards to that. It's more exactly if they thought Dragon Age: Origins was the best Roleplaying Game up to date. Here it is if you're interested. It's from when Dragon Age: Origins was released.

Modifié par Wintermist, 05 avril 2011 - 11:24 .

[Rockpopple]

@ Wintermist - Ah, that's probably as good a poll on the subject I'm gonna get. I'm no mathimagician, but the trend seems to be that at the very least 2/3rds (probably more) of people really liked Dragon Age: Origins when it came out. Well I was one of them at that. lol.

Thanks!

Modifié par Rockpopple, 05 avril 2011 - 11:27 .

[ArmedChimp]

Not to start beating down your hard work but statistics are a pretty tricky thing to get right. I mean do you feel that you can generalize something out of the data? Do you feel that the Bioware social site has a good representation of the people that play Bioware games? How was the sampling done etc.

[tiernanls]

i personally think people are more likely to jump online to give negative feedback then they are positive. i think there would be very few people here if somehow the game was able to give everyone exactly what they wanted.

i know i personally was kinda suprised at how much negative feedback both this game and mass effect 2 receive on bioware boards as i know a LOT of people that either love both games or are indifferent to anything about them other than they are "pretty cool games".

[skunkdoctor]

Sharkey1337 wrote...

 The community is perfectly split on their opinion of the game, 1:2 people either like it or hate it. Seems pretty consistent with the type of threads we've been seeing. poll link: social.bioware.com/956165/polls/16602/


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Just nitpicking here because it is pretty clear what you meant, but you should use 1/2 there. A 1:1 ratio actually implies an even split, 1:2 would mean that for every one who liked it, two hated it. Or vice versa.

[Sharkey1337]

skunkdoctor wrote...

Sharkey1337 wrote...

 The community is perfectly split on their opinion of the game, 1:2 people either like it or hate it. Seems pretty consistent with the type of threads we've been seeing. poll link: social.bioware.com/956165/polls/16602/



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Just nitpicking here because it is pretty clear what you meant, but you should use 1/2 there. A 1:1 ratio actually implies an even split, 1:2 would mean that for every one who liked it, two hated it. Or vice versa.

Oh yeah, DOIH! =P Thanks for the heads up, will fix!

[ikaruga17]

Thanks for the update.

[Zhijn]

Nice work there OP. I pitched in my vote aswell.

[HK-90210]

I remember when Origins first came out, I wasn't all that impressed. I think I was expecting something more like Mass Effect. I was later won over by Origins as I grew to like the characters and storyline. But in the end, I prefered Mass Effect as a franchise because I like that style of gaming more. That has not changed.

DA2 is a mixed bag for me. I like the gamplay changes. I hated DA:O's combat system and vast array of abilities that I never used. I hated playing mages above all. It just got boring for me. DA2 improves on this. But the repeated environments and the gameplay glithes you run into in DA2 really turn me off to the game. I'd love to play it more, but it has bugs that need fixing.

Like all Bioware games, the story and characters are the best part, and with the exception of the non-ending(don't get me started...), they did not dissapoint. But the system this time needed a bit more wringing out. I think that BW could have released a more complete product than they did.

So I fall into a weird category in these polls. I disliked Origins at first, grew to love it. When DA2 was released, it was closer to what I had originally thought Origins to be like, and I find that I like it less as a result. Had they relesed DA2 first, I would not be having this weird internal conflict.

Damn you, Bioware. If you hadn't already released 5 of my top 10 favorite games ever(DA2 among them, admittedly), I would disown you.

Modifié par CastonFolarus, 06 avril 2011 - 12:29 .

[JulianoV]

Amazing work mate. Keep in that some people may have simply left the forums altogether due to despise or anything. I know a friend of mine simply gave up on the series entirely as he finished the game and is, probably at this very moment, counting the seconds until ME3 comes out.

Those of us that stick around are those that enjoyed the game, disliked it but want the series to get back on their feet being so young and full of potential, and trolls with nothing better to do.

Those that disliked it and don't really care anymore aren't accounted. It says a lot when half of the ACTIVE, hardcore FANbase, is dissatisfied with a game. Negative nancies or not, those of us that stick around making known our sources of discontempt are those that want the series to improve. Either that or absolute annoying trolls that should be sighted miles away.

[DraconisCombine]

And i didnt vote for any option.LOL!

[DraconisCombine]

CastonFolarus wrote...

I remember when Origins first came out, I wasn't all that impressed. I think I was expecting something more like Mass Effect. I was later won over by Origins as I grew to like the characters and storyline. But in the end, I prefered Mass Effect as a franchise because I like that style of gaming more. That has not changed.

DA2 is a mixed bag for me. I like the gamplay changes. I hated DA:O's combat system and vast array of abilities that I never used. I hated playing mages above all. It just got boring for me. DA2 improves on this. But the repeated environments and the gameplay glithes you run into in DA2 really turn me off to the game. I'd love to play it more, but it has bugs that need fixing.

Like all Bioware games, the story and characters are the best part, and with the exception of the non-ending(don't get me started...), they did not dissapoint. But the system this time needed a bit more wringing out. I think that BW could have released a more complete product than they did.

So I fall into a weird category in these polls. I disliked Origins at first, grew to love it. When DA2 was released, it was closer to what I had originally thought Origins to be like, and I find that I like it less as a result. Had they relesed DA2 first, I would not be having this weird internal conflict.

Damn you, Bioware. If you hadn't already released 5 of my top 10 favorite games ever(DA2 among them, admittedly), I would disown you.

HAHA! Bioware has made a TON of money off of myself and my family.Nevermind the friends i know who have bought their games over the years.

[ken78]

Sharkey1337 wrote...

Macgarnickle wrote...

It's certainly useful for Bioware to know what the forum goers think. But as a word of caution I would say this is a self-selecting survey. Of the real life people I know who played one or both games I'm the only one who comes here.

Absolutely, this is merely a taste of what's seen here on the forums. We forum posters are definitely the minority of game owners, but we are the vocal minority that interacts in such a community with the devs.

We also need to remember that forum goers tend to gravitate to the extremes.  The fact that the forum is split on DA2 is interesting.  I think it suggests general wide acceptance of the game, but a definate problem with a segment of the population that was looking for something different. 

While DA:O was a hit for the forum population, I'm not sure the BG style RPG is still the most popular style of RPG for the general gaming population.  Consoles have changed the way we view RPGs.  There will always be a niche PC market that loves the BG style RPGs.  However, companies building games for both platform will tend to make games with less strategy and more hack-n-slash.  ME2 and DA2 are where mass market RPGs will land in the foreseeable future.

[DeathStride]

Sharkey1337 wrote...
Seeing such a split in opinions for DA2, I created a second Yay!/Nay! poll for Dragon Age: Origins. Only 172 responded on this one, however the smaller pool gives a pretty accurate picture. In terms of DAO, there were 148 (86%) Yays!, greatly outnumbering the 24 (14%) Nays! Makes sense as being a fan of the first game obviously means you're here on the DA2 forum for liking the series so far.
poll link: social.bioware.com/956165/polls/16646/

In seeing that 14% not liking DA:O I figured it was time to see opinions on both games in comparison to each other. Here I gave voters the option of choosing preferance to DAO, DA2, liking both equally, or disliking both. This is where it got rather interesting to me in some of the results. Out of 170 voters, 101 (59%) prefered DAO, 24 (14%) prefered DA2, 42 (25%) liked both games equally, and a whopping 3 (2%) disliked both games.
poll link: social.bioware.com/956165/polls/16696/

In conclusion these polls tell me several things:

1. Only half the community likes DA2, a severe drop from the first game.
2. Only a third of DAO fans actually like DA2.
3. Those that disliked DAO seem to have been won over by DA2.
4. 2% of us are trolls, lol.

The 14% that didn't like DAO don't have to be the 14% that did like DA2- the could still have "preferred DAO" over DA2 if they found DA2 even less appealing. Or they could be part of the 2% that didn't like either game. Basically, they could be any of the three groups that aren't "liked both games."

So even if the stats were representative of the community as a whole(whether or not they are) BW didn't necessarily win the 14% that disliked DAO over with DA2, that 14% could come from either DAO "likers," "dislikers," or(most probably) a mix of both.

Make sense?

Modifié par DeathStride, 06 avril 2011 - 02:18 .

[Sharkey1337]

DeathStride wrote...

The 14% that didn't like DAO don't have to be the 14% that did like DA2- the could still have "preferred DAO" over DA2 if they found DA2 even less appealing. Or they could be part of the 2% that didn't like either game. Basically, they could be any of the three groups that aren't "liked both games."

So even if the stats were representative of the community as a whole(whether or not they are) BW didn't necessarily win the 14% that disliked DAO over with DA2, that 14% could come from either DAO "likers," "dislikers," or(most probably) a mix of both.

Make sense?

lol, no I even thought of that, but since I'm just generalizing I thought it was a funny corelation and just ran with it. =P

Still though, outside the poll it seems a lot of players that didn't like DAO like DA2, so I saw some connection there. The whole set up is not perfect by any means, and I'm no statician, but there is definitely some correlations to be found from these numbers, I believe.

[Zetatrain]

Interesting statistics, kinda of takes me back to my statistics classes.

Considering the kind of forums that I have seen around the internet regarding DA2, the results are not really surprising to me. Back in February I had a feeling that DA2 was not going to be as good as DA:O, especially when you look at the development time for each. Still, I have found the game to be very enjoyable especially since its been the only game I've been playing for the past month.

It would be interesting to see how many people that preferred DA:O still thought that DA2 was a good game.

[Dagiz]

as interesting as this is...and I  think its a really cool idea, I  really do, statistically speaking (and while  i too am no statician, its really fun to play around with) the sample size is really too small.   So far (and it's early yet) less than a thousand have responded to the first poll and less than 700 have responded to the other polls.  That's less than .1% of all games sold (according to various sites and Bioware themselves).  

Than there are the variables to consider.  The sample is also of people that are on the forums, who regularly particpate.  Statistically, and historically, speaking that has always been a smaller percentage than actual game owners (I think you get lucky with a number of close to 1% of game owners who visit forums regularly which would be about 10,000 people and so fat it seems that the dissidents are limited to a far smaller number than that as evidenced by posts on this forum).  So perhaps its a question of presenting the information in a different way. 

Among game owners who visit the forums regularly, these statistics show....and so on. 

Like I said, pretty cool none the less.  I'm just being me with being nit picky on details. 

NINJA  EDIT  - Lemme clarify and add something I forgot.

As far as the dissidnt comment is concerned, it goes both ways.  It is not just the dissidents but the...uh...affirmadents (I made that word up so it;s a real word now) that make up a small percentage of game owners and most often the most vocal and the most passionate about the game.  Taken from that perspective, the statistics can be somewhat misleading but it is interesting nonetheless.

Modifié par Dagiz, 06 avril 2011 - 02:35 .

[ransompendragon]

I am a statistician and DeathStride is right. Without a way to tie the response from one person in each of the 3 polls you can't really say.

But your sample size is big enough to draw conclusions -- half of forum goers hate DA2 and half don't.

I am in the hate camp. What really blows my mind is that anyone wants to "argue" over the little things (combat, environments) when the main story turned into a steaming pile of poo (to clarify -- the implementation of the story). Anyway, I have posted that comment 10 times now and I feel a little better.

Anyway, great post, thanks for sharing.

[MonkeyLungs]

tiernanls wrote...

i personally think people are more likely to jump online to give negative feedback then they are positive. i think there would be very few people here if somehow the game was able to give everyone exactly what they wanted.

i know i personally was kinda suprised at how much negative feedback both this game and mass effect 2 receive on bioware boards as i know a LOT of people that either love both games or are indifferent to anything about them other than they are "pretty cool games".

It seems to indicate that right here on the internet on bioware social the fans are spilt right around 50/50 on DA2. Meaning that people just come here to talk about DA2 and that half like it and half don't. It doesn't actually suggest a bias for negativity or positivity.

[Sharkey1337]

Thanks for the comments guys! And I totally agree about the sample size being too small still, and definitely cannot agree any more on the lack of connecting voters's answers to each poll. I really wish there was a way to have each voter go through each poll and have those 3 answers tied to each other, but alas I don't have the tools to do so on this forum. =(

Like I said, this is definitely a flawed system if you were to try for a pure scientific method, but despite its shortcomings I think it still gives a pretty accurate picture of these forum waters. Thanks again for the comments guys, I really appreciate them! Especially the comments highlighting the flaws, lol.

[stragonar]

Well..these numbers at least tell us how pointless it is to try to sway people to your opinion about whether a game is good or not since they have remained consistant

[San Diego Thief]

Awesome idea doing this poll...just took it myself. I hope the executives from Bioware/EA at least look at this before they replicate this design to DA3

[Taxonomy]

As Rockpopple noted, you have serious sampling issues going on here, above-and-beyond the usual issues of forum polling. While those who detest a product are likely to complain in the short term, they're highly unlikely to stick around for years. The exact opposite trend is likely with those who are seriously smitten with a product; indeed, I would state that nearly everyone hanging around a product's forums two years after release is likely to have a positive opinion.

Of course, you may indeed be right - more people may have liked DA:O at launch than liked DA:2 at launch. But it's impossible to prove using the methodology you're using here.

[Starling2105]

I'm a freak of nature..loved DA:O when it came out..LOVED DA2, and now going back and replaying DA:O I'm having a hard time finishing.

But that's because the only thing I didn't like about DAO was the painfully slow combat. And it's even harder having experienced DA2's. Buuuut saying that around here is usually call for lots of hate heh.