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[Kenrae]

Just voted. DA:O over DA2 for me. PC gamer.

And I'm not against changes since I love both Mass Effect games.

[CitizenThom]

Was the DAO yay/nay poll taken before or after the release of DA2? If after, there's going to be a little bit of a distortion, as haters, in order to show that they don't always hate, will point to Origins as a great game... eventhough when Origins came out they thought it too was the worst thing since unsliced bread.

[1varangian]

Good poll, simple enough. Love Origins and both ME games, hate DA2.

[Seena]

No poll done on this forum reflects a random sample - since people come to the fourms, specifically, to complain. The only way you could make ANY generalizations from a poll, would be to randomly mail the poll to people who purchased the game.

Even then, when compiling your results, you'd have to acknowledge that bias could result because unhappy people might be more apt to answer the poll.

It's too bad that people coming up with these "polls" don't get that.

Modifié par Seena, 12 avril 2011 - 09:51 .

[Alex Kershaw]

Seena wrote...

No poll done on this forum reflects a random sample - since people come to the fourms, specifically, to complain. The only way you could make ANY generalizations from a poll, would be to randomly mail the poll to people who purchased the game.

Even then, when compiling your results, you'd have to acknowledge that bias could result because unhappy people might be more apt to answer the poll.

It's too bad that people coming up with these "polls" don't get that.

DAO metacritic: 91
da2 metacritic: 82

[Seena]

Alex Kershaw wrote...

DAO metacritic: 91
da2 metacritic: 82

I'm sorry - your point is?

[toggled]

I voted, but your system is flawed. Maybe someone else has already pointed this out (I didn't bother reading the replies) but many of the people most disappointed with DA2 have already stopped coming to the forums. Therefore, the DA2 lovers are overrepresented. The results are therefore skewed.

Metacritic and Amazon.com are more accurate measures of DA2 popularity.

Current Metacritic score: 4.3/10
Current Amazon.Com Score: 2.7/5

The Amazon score is a little higher but generally in agreement with the Metacritic score.

[brightblueink]

Alex Kershaw wrote...

DAO metacritic: 91
da2 metacritic: 82

That seems like "I liked both" to me, not "DAO Yay! DA2 Nay!" like we're seeing on the forums. 82/100 is still a great game.

[toggled]

Alex Kershaw wrote...

DAO metacritic: 91
da2 metacritic: 82

The 82 is the score from professional reviewers, including paid reviewers. The real score you should look at is the user score, which is 4.3/10.

[Tommy6860]

Seena wrote...

No poll done on this forum reflects a random sample - since people come to the fourms, specifically, to complain. The only way you could make ANY generalizations from a poll, would be to randomly mail the poll to people who purchased the game.

Even then, when compiling your results, you'd have to acknowledge that bias could result because unhappy people might be more apt to answer the poll.

It's too bad that people coming up with these "polls" don't get that.

Exactly, it would be shameful if we would expect some real methodology be applied to these kinds of polls. This is why I largely take them with a grain of salt. In the end, EA only cares about sales, not whether we like a certain game or not.

[Tommy6860]

toggled wrote...

Alex Kershaw wrote...

DAO metacritic: 91
da2 metacritic: 82

The 82 is the score from professional reviewers, including paid reviewers. The real score you should look at is the user score, which is 4.3/10.

How would we really know that is the "real" score in which to adhere, as it having some veracity to some meaning it conveys there are those liking a game or not. If I were to use a metric between user and website reviews, I could say that possbily the user reviews would have a bit more meaning. But anyone can spam disdainful comments about games on metacritic. Not many gamers, who really enjoy their games go to reviewer sites to post responses to liking the game as much as those would who really disliked it.

A good analogy would be like having a opinion on a hospital. How many people would actually make a comment on the quality of a hopsital, if they never visit it beause they are physically fine? You wouldn't go there just to say that you are feeling well.

Modifié par Tommy6860, 13 avril 2011 - 12:25 .

[Seena]

brightblueink wrote...

Alex Kershaw wrote...

DAO metacritic: 91
da2 metacritic: 82

That seems like "I liked both" to me, not "DAO Yay! DA2 Nay!" like we're seeing on the forums. 82/100 is still a great game.

Exactly.

[Seena]

toggled wrote...
The 82 is the score from professional reviewers, including paid reviewers. The real score you should look at is the user score, which is 4.3/10.

You have the same bias as you do with these forums.

[Seena]

Tommy6860 wrote...

How would we really know that is the "real" score in which to adhere, as it having some veracity to some meaning it conveys there are those liking a game or not. If I were to use a metric between user and website reviews, I could say that possbily the user reviews would have a bit more meaning. But anyone can spam disdainful comments about games on metacritic. Not many gamers, who really enjoy their games go to reviewer sites to post responses to liking the game as much as those would who really disliked it.

A good analogy would be like having a opinion on a hospital. How many people would actually make a comment on the quality of a hopsital, if they never visit it beause they are physically fine? You wouldn't go there just to say that you are feeling well.

Heeheheheh get out of my head will ya! 

[toggled]

Tommy6860 wrote...

toggled wrote...

Alex Kershaw wrote...

DAO metacritic: 91
da2 metacritic: 82

The 82 is the score from professional reviewers, including paid reviewers. The real score you should look at is the user score, which is 4.3/10.

How would we really know that is the "real" score in which to adhere, as it having some veracity to some meaning it conveys there are those liking a game or not. If I were to use a metric between user and website reviews, I could say that possbily the user reviews would have a bit more meaning. But anyone can spam disdainful comments about games on metacritic. Not many gamers, who really enjoy their games go to reviewer sites to post responses to liking the game as much as those would who really disliked it.

A good analogy would be like having a opinion on a hospital. How many people would actually make a comment on the quality of a hopsital, if they never visit it beause they are physically fine? You wouldn't go there just to say that you are feeling well.

I'm not aware of evidence that a person is spamming metacritic with negative scores. I've read accusations about spamming on these forums, but when I actually go to metacritic, I see a lot of thoughtful reviews, most of them negative.

As for people being more prone to post negative reviews - go to metacritic and take a look at some of your most favorite and least favorite games. I think you'll find that good games have positive reviews and positive scores, while bad games have negative reviews and negative scores. I guess in the end it comes down to personal experience, and speaking for myself: since Jan. 1 I have posted three reviews on metacritic, two very positive and one very negative. So in my experience, people are just as likely to review good games as they are bad.

[Seena]

toggled wrote...

I'm not aware of evidence that a person is spamming metacritic with negative scores. I've read accusations about spamming on these forums, but when I actually go to metacritic, I see a lot of thoughtful reviews, most of them negative.

As for people being more prone to post negative reviews - go to metacritic and take a look at some of your most favorite and least favorite games. I think you'll find that good games have positive reviews and positive scores, while bad games have negative reviews and negative scores. I guess in the end it comes down to personal experience, and speaking for myself: since Jan. 1 I have posted three reviews on metacritic, two very positive and one very negative. So in my experience, people are just as likely to review good games as they are bad.

There are some people who just enjoy taking the time to review games. You seem to be that type.

There are others who come just to complain (I am sure that you have encountered many of those here on the forums.)

The second sort of indivdual taints your results.  The sample simply is not random.

[Hatchetman77]

The title of this thread made me think of a Cult greatest hits album.  I'd have names this thread "Pure Dragon Age Statistics: For Rockers, Ravers, Lovers and Sinners".

Modifié par Hatchetman77, 13 avril 2011 - 02:05 .

[brightblueink]

To be honest, i didn't even know Metacritic *had* user reviews until the hullabaloo over the Bioware employee happened. I've never looked at them before.

I do sometimes look at the user ratings on Gamespot and GameFAQs--the user scores there are 8.0 and 7.7, much closer to the professional reviews. You're only going to get a small segment of gamer's opinions on those sites no matter which one you go to.

I'm actually a bit more prone to trust professional reviewers, too--they'll get called out if they're too obviously biased or don't argue their points well. Users don't have to justify their opinions as much.

[Taritu]

People don't just come to the forums to complain, sorry. They also come here when they love the game, they want to talk about it in general, they want specific advice, and so on. There were complaints about specifics of DAO when it came out, but there was nowhere near the hatefest that DA2 has received.

[Seena]

Taritu wrote...

People don't just come to the forums to complain, sorry. They also come here when they love the game, they want to talk about it in general, they want specific advice, and so on. There were complaints about specifics of DAO when it came out, but there was nowhere near the hatefest that DA2 has received.

No one said they come here "just" to complain.

However, a person is far far far more apt to come here when pissed, then when satisfied.

[Keladis]

there are a lot of people here just to talk about bioware game with other bioware players too.

I will say bioware forums probably see more complaints then some of the other game sites out there but thats because it seems like bioware reads their forums and listens to their customers unlike some other.

Modifié par Keladis, 14 avril 2011 - 03:08 .

[GammaRayJim]

Seena wrote...

No poll done on this forum reflects a random sample - since people come to the fourms, specifically, to complain. The only way you could make ANY generalizations from a poll, would be to randomly mail the poll to people who purchased the game.

Even then, when compiling your results, you'd have to acknowledge that bias could result because unhappy people might be more apt to answer the poll.

It's too bad that people coming up with these "polls" don't get that.

Are we looking at 2 differents polls cuz the one I saw showed a 50/50 split for DA2 obviously you have an equal number of haters vs. lovers.  The other showed a majority who liked DA:O. Where are all the complainers skewing the results. People who respond to polls are probably more often the lovers/haters vs. the middle of the road people which is what the poll actually shows. Middle of the road people for the most part do not come to forums or take polls because they do not feel passionately enough to care one way or the other IMO. If you look at the threads you will see an equal number of love/hate topics, same as when actually reading them. So I am not sure that you are making a valid point here. I see no bias as you describe it.

[OSUfan12121]

You know polling on a bioware site will have very skewed results right. Most the people on here are hardcore bioware fans not the average gamer. In essence your polling the lowest number of the lowest group(the hardcore fans who frequent the site).

[LyndseyCousland]

I hope people continue to join in on these polls.

[aduellist]

Regarding the validity of any polling done here, Metacritic or elsewhere, I'd like to point out something I learned in retail management decades ago.

"A happy customer tells a friend. An unhappy customer tells ten friends."

These polls will always skew toward the negative proposition because people who partake are far more likely to be dissatisfied.

Edit:  Having just viewed the poll question, it's seriously flawed.  The participant is presented with a mild positive, "like", and a strong negative, "hate".  Given that there are may levels of satisfation/dissatisfaction between "absolutely love" and "absolutely despise", I don't see how the presenter expects to derive any meaningful conclusion from the data.  A classic "push poll".

Modifié par aduellist, 14 avril 2011 - 06:44 .