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[omgodzilla]

Lets assume that ME3 has two discs. The end of disc one would probably include a major story mission similiar to Horizon. In ME3, that mission could be an attempt to take back Earth with the help of all the forces you gathered. It could be a 2 hour long mission that takes you all over Earth but your assault ends up going horribly wrong. The fleet that you gathered ends up getting its ass kicked. In the end, you are forced to retreat and the Reapers go back to their extermination of Earth or whatever.

Then in disc 2, you try and find another way to take them all out. Your fleet took heavy losses but is still quite large. Things get extremely tense as you struggle on your mission. Then near the end of the game we get hit with the news that the Reapers have wiped out all of the 11 billion people that were on Earth. This is where everything gets super depressing and everyone ****s their pants. Along with Earth, several human colonies begin to get wiped out as well.

It doesn't have to go like this but what if Earth dies no matter what you do? Would it ruin the game for you or make things more interesting? Personally, I would love this. Mass Effect has a knack for making humans look like the top dogs in everything, I would love it if humans get their asses kicked to the point where they become the most pathetic species in existence or atleast somewhere close to that.

Modifié par omgodzilla, 05 avril 2011 - 10:19 .

[Almostfaceman]

Of course I'd be pissed - the whole point of the game is to "save the galaxy."

*looks at Earth*

Yup, it's in the galaxy.

[Quole]

That would actually be amazing.

[Malanek]

No it wouldn't ruin the game. Even if Earth was destroyed humans would not become an endangered species. It would be less severe than the Quarian situation. It would definately set humanity back a bit though. I hope ME3 is pretty dark but the ending epic.

[RolandX9]

I wouldn't mind it being the result of a partial failure. I might even be mildly disappointed if this isn't a consequence of royally screwing something up. I would be pissed enough to not buy the game if it were a railroaded plot event that Commander Awesome can't save his/her species' homeworld, regardless of how many "right" decisions s/he made.

Modifié par RolandX9, 05 avril 2011 - 10:30 .

[omgodzilla]

Malanek999 wrote...

No it wouldn't ruin the game. Even if Earth was destroyed humans would not become an endangered species. It would be less severe than the Quarian situation. It would definately set humanity back a bit though. I hope ME3 is pretty dark but the ending epic.

It wouldn't just be Earth that gets raped though. The Reapers could begin to target human colonies after Earth dies as well.

[Almostfaceman]

Malanek999 wrote...

No it wouldn't ruin the game. Even if Earth was destroyed humans would not become an endangered species. It would be less severe than the Quarian situation. It would definately set humanity back a bit though. I hope ME3 is pretty dark but the ending epic.

The Alliance will be destroyed by enemies if we let the vast majority of humans be destroyed.

[Malanek]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

No it wouldn't ruin the game. Even if Earth was destroyed humans would not become an endangered species. It would be less severe than the Quarian situation. It would definately set humanity back a bit though. I hope ME3 is pretty dark but the ending epic.

The Alliance will be destroyed by enemies if we let the vast majority of humans be destroyed.

What enemies? Even if there were 10,000 humans left alive the species would carry on. Hell with that level of scientific knowledge the species could be re-created even if every one of them was killed.

[ExistsAlready]

Humans ain't Pandas. There would be a massive upswing in their medical breakthroughs shortly before the first generation of Human Plus superbabies and true human dominance of the galaxy.

[Kingthlayer]

If it's only humans and none of the other alien races then yes I will be pissed off. If it's every race suffering substantial losses then that is how the game should be. We're being attacked by the Reapers, they've never failed at wiping out everyone before, and now they come after us and we kill them without suffering any losses. That would be garbage.

I guess we have to wait and see, but I fully expect to see a giant paragon love circle at the end with nobody important dying.

[jamesp81]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

No it wouldn't ruin the game. Even if Earth was destroyed humans would not become an endangered species. It would be less severe than the Quarian situation. It would definately set humanity back a bit though. I hope ME3 is pretty dark but the ending epic.

The Alliance will be destroyed by enemies if we let the vast majority of humans be destroyed.

Without Earth, the Skyllian Verge and Terminus colonies will be undefended.  What few humans are left will be enslaved or killed by pirates and raiders.

No, there is no doubt, if Earth is destroyed, humanity is done, FOREVER, as a galactic power and quite possibly will be an extinct species within a few decades.  It's really that simple.

[jamesp81]

And to answer the question, yes I would be pissed if Earth was completely wiped out and yes, it will completely ruin the game if it's scripted this way.

Pissed enough, in fact, that I will check these very forums when ME3 comes out to see if that's what happens without spoiling any other details of the story for me. If Earth gets wiped, BioWare doesn't get my money for the game. Period.

I don't get you people that like to see humans get their asses kicked into extinction.  I like a good bit of mayhem in my games the same as anyone else, but if I can't save Earth and keep humanity more or less intact, then I can't win the game.  I don't play games where I'm unable to win.  There's no point.

Edit:

This dystopian trope of wandering humans with no home is worn out to the point that it makes me almost physically ill.  But, you all need to keep in mind that BioWare wants to do more content in the ME universe.  I don't see that happening with humans being almost a non-existent species.

Modifié par jamesp81, 05 avril 2011 - 11:25 .

[Librarin Solu]

Considering that Shepard in my main play-through intends to have Asari children, not really.

[Almostfaceman]

Malanek999 wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

No it wouldn't ruin the game. Even if Earth was destroyed humans would not become an endangered species. It would be less severe than the Quarian situation. It would definately set humanity back a bit though. I hope ME3 is pretty dark but the ending epic.

The Alliance will be destroyed by enemies if we let the vast majority of humans be destroyed.

What enemies? Even if there were 10,000 humans left alive the species would carry on. Hell with that level of scientific knowledge the species could be re-created even if every one of them was killed.

Did you seriously just ask "what enemies'?  Do you even pay attention to the Mass Effect universe?  The batarians.  The turians - there are some turians that aren't friendly with us and if you let the Council die that even gets worse.  What about any of the numerous hostile Terminous System forces?  The very first thing that you're told by Nihlus at the beginning of Mass Effect 1 is that the universe is not a very friendly place.  Wake up and smell the danger.

[Bluefuse]

I want the most epic ending ever, and seeing whatever's left of the humans survive through the invasion would be more epic than "Yay, we killed the Reapers and everything is back to normal again!"

[jamesp81]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

No it wouldn't ruin the game. Even if Earth was destroyed humans would not become an endangered species. It would be less severe than the Quarian situation. It would definately set humanity back a bit though. I hope ME3 is pretty dark but the ending epic.

The Alliance will be destroyed by enemies if we let the vast majority of humans be destroyed.

What enemies? Even if there were 10,000 humans left alive the species would carry on. Hell with that level of scientific knowledge the species could be re-created even if every one of them was killed.

Did you seriously just ask "what enemies'?  Do you even pay attention to the Mass Effect universe?  The batarians.  The turians - there are some turians that aren't friendly with us and if you let the Council die that even gets worse.  What about any of the numerous hostile Terminous System forces?  The very first thing that you're told by Nihlus at the beginning of Mass Effect 1 is that the universe is not a very friendly place.  Wake up and smell the danger.

I often wonder if some people on this forum start up the game and skip all the dialogue sequences and never even glances at the codex.

[jamesp81]

Bluefuse wrote...

I want the most epic ending ever, and seeing whatever's left of the humans survive through the invasion would be more epic than "Yay, we killed the Reapers and everything is back to normal again!"

That's OK if the surviving humanity is even stronger than before the invasion (ie, reverse engineered Reaper tech making us really strong or something like that).

[Malanek]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

No it wouldn't ruin the game. Even if Earth was destroyed humans would not become an endangered species. It would be less severe than the Quarian situation. It would definately set humanity back a bit though. I hope ME3 is pretty dark but the ending epic.

The Alliance will be destroyed by enemies if we let the vast majority of humans be destroyed.

What enemies? Even if there were 10,000 humans left alive the species would carry on. Hell with that level of scientific knowledge the species could be re-created even if every one of them was killed.

Did you seriously just ask "what enemies'?  Do you even pay attention to the Mass Effect universe?  The batarians.  The turians - there are some turians that aren't friendly with us and if you let the Council die that even gets worse.  What about any of the numerous hostile Terminous System forces?  The very first thing that you're told by Nihlus at the beginning of Mass Effect 1 is that the universe is not a very friendly place.  Wake up and smell the danger.

The Batarians are not anywhere near as bloodthirsty as you are making them out to be. Yes they would quite likely make pushes to gain control of disputed garden worlds, but they are not going to attempt to destroy the alliance (which would involve a genocide) or they will lose all political support from council races. Particularly after humanity suffers significant losses while protecting the galaxy. And the Turians don't even belong in this discussion, there is no evidence the Turians would even consider genocide against humanity. The only thing they would likely be doing to humanity is to help them rebuild.

[ArmedChimp]

I could see that if you let the council die in ME 1 that the council members will let the earth accidently blow up before stepping in.

[ArmedChimp]

Saphra Deden wrote...

If the Council died in ME1 then the new Councilors are humans and I'm positive they won't do that.

Well, unless they're all clones of Zulu_DFA.

I meant that the old council races won't send their fleets in time.

[Tleining]

jamesp81 wrote...

Without Earth, the Skyllian Verge and Terminus colonies will be undefended.  What few humans are left will be enslaved or killed by pirates and raiders.

No, there is no doubt, if Earth is destroyed, humanity is done, FOREVER, as a galactic power and quite possibly will be an extinct species within a few decades.  It's really that simple.

uh, how do you figure? It's the Systems Alliance that's responsible for protecting the colonies. Sure, without Earth, major funding would dissapear, but money from the Colonies would go directly to the Alliance. And even without Earth and the Fleet, the Colonies could be protected by Mercs. Noveria and Feros seem to be doing that right now.

to the OP: As was already mentioned, if you screw up, yes, Earth being destroyed should be in the game. But not as an unavoidable event.
Though massive damage to the Surface is pretty much a given.

[AdmiralCheez]

Destroy Earth, eh? Do it. It'd make things more interesting.

Anyway, if the invasion has already begun (as the back of the box and the trailer state), then Earth is already pretty much dead.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

If humanity gets nearly wiped out, (down to less than a billion, heck, even down into the tens of millions,) their continued survival depends a lot on how they went down.

If they went down fighting this ancient evil for the good of the galaxy, after being the only race that heeded the warnings and prepared? I don't think the rest of the galaxy will abandon them to die out. I honestly don't. The rest of the galaxy didn't wipe out the Krogan, and they bombarded Turian colony worlds with meteors from orbit, essentially killing everyone there and salting the earth so that nothing could ever grow again.

The Quarians are an unpopular nomad race largely because they got decimated by their own mismanagement, rather than by an outside force, and because it's really hard for them to find new colony worlds.  There's Garrus and Tali dialogue to that effect in ME1 (also: ME1 Garrus is kind of a dick.)

If humanity got nearly wiped out in a war with the Batarians, then yes, I think they'd be pretty screwed. Wiped out in a war with an aggressive, unpopular race... a war that, if it proceeds, most alliance races will feel we started? If that happened, we'd essentially end up like the Quarians, which I do not want to contemplate.

But humanity with a population of around a billion, a newfound chip on our shoulder, and a huge reputation as a hero race? I like our odds, then. I honestly think this might be something like this might be the "Paragon" ending of ME3, where we're hurt but beloved throughout the galaxy, ready to make our way as equals, prophets, and heroes.

I think the "Renegade" ending would have us suffering a lot fewer losses, but at the expense of screwing over a lot of other races. So we'll end the game with 10 billion or so humans still in the galaxy, but a reputation for destroying Mass Relays that wipe out colony worlds, and using horrible tactics to ensure our own survival: strong, but with a terrible uphill political battle if we ever want peace.