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[Zulu_DFA]

Tleining wrote...

However, the Cost-Efficiency is kinda what makes me think Scientists won't be on Earth. Why transport all the artifacts/people to earth, that's one more Relay you have to use. Instead base your Company on Arcturus Station or Elysium, and you cut down the costs. Sure, there have to be facilities on Earth to find new Colonists, but the rest would be somewhere else.

Also, in my experience, people, especially highly qualified specialists, go to where the best work/freedom-at-work is, and their families tag along. If i would have to choose between working on Earth or taking my Family to a beautiful colony like Terra Nova/Eden Prime, i would choose the colony.

That's what I am talking about. All worthy people have already left Earth in pursuit of their common destiny.

[Tleining]

@ Almostfaceman
huh, okay, didn't really pay attention to Shialas lines previous to her flirting . That point is yours. Thanks for the information.

[jamesp81]

glenboy24 wrote...

 There have been some fantastic, and frankly bewildering and disturbing, ideas in this regard as to how Earth might not come out of the Reaper Invasion even relatively unscarred. However, as to it being destroyed ala Vulcan in the Star Trek reboot? No. And I’m not saying there will not be a *possible* end scenario for something like this in ME3. In ME2 there was an option to have everyone die including the non-essential personnel onboard the Normandy, so BioWare isn’t afraid to give you the Super Tragedy ending. However, at their core, that’s just not BioWare’s style. 

When they make a Heroic adventure (and no one better kid themselves here, Mass Effect *is* a Heroic Adventure) the biggest, most detailed story branching endings will always be the Hero Ending, e.g. Wayne’s World “Super Mega Happy Ending”…or something close to it. So, basically, Earth getting wiped out? Not going to happen, at least unless you really *really* try to go down that road for whatever twisted reason you might have. 

In my eyes, the scenario that seems most likely is that, with Shepard bringing damn near the Entire Galaxy to save Earth from the Reapers, the last vestiges of mistrust left over from the First Contact War, along with Humanity’s personal viewpoint of being “We Iz Super Mega Awesome Leetz!” will dissolve as the Galaxy helps Humanity repair what damage was done, opening Earth to a new Era of involvement and progress with not just the Citadel Races but the larger galactic community as opposed to always trying to do it‘s own thing.

Groups like Terra Firma and, most importantly, Cerberus, will find themselves with little if any support for a Sole-Human agenda. Bottom line, Shepard’s climatic finale will almost certainly be a positive ending, so I don’t even have to entertain a notion like the one introduced by the OP. Still, as there are some who go for Epic Shakespearean Tragedy in their stories, it not a completely invalid question.

I suspect you're on the right course.

[Nathan Redgrave]

A positive ending doesn't necessarily have to be a positive ending for humanity, keep that in mind.

[Rekkampum]

jamesp81 wrote...

Rekkampum wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Rekkampum wrote...

jon1991 wrote...

That would be an epic potential ending, so no, I wouldn't be pissed. What I WOULD be pissed off about is if you could NEVER save the Earth no matter what you do, or how many correct choices you've made.

I would love it if earth gets obliterated. It would take a huge blow to us, sure, but I don't think it would mean humans are endangered though, since there are plenty of colonies elsewhere.

This has been covered upthread.  Destruction of Earth at this juncture means the END of humanity as a galactic player.

Well, that's kinda narrow then. While the Quarians lack a homeworld, their Migrant Fleet is still an impressive military force. Humanity isn't a static society like the other ME races, so while we would ostensibly receive a serious blow to our galactic strength, our need to innovate to survive would undoubtedly result in advances that allow us to compensate for this.

The Quarians live a hand to mouth existence in abject poverty.  The majority of the Migrant Fleet is tramp freighters and whatever third-hand ships the Quarians could beg, borrow, or buy.  It is not a military force.  It's a defensive huddle that shelters what little remains of their people.

As I mentioned previously, the combined populations of humanity's very largest, oldest, and wealthiest colonies amount to considerably less than 1% of the human population.  Humanity cannot survive 98% or more of their race being killed and still remain a galactic power.  IT IS NOT POSSIBLE.  If Earth is destroyed, humanity will be damned lucky if they end up like the Quarians.  The most likely end that results from losing Earth is remaining human colonials are enslaved by the various Terminus systems thugs.

Abject poverty? I really suggest you avoid the disaster porn. They certainly aren't as well off as others, but they definitely aren't as pitiful as you're caricaturing them to be.

Second of all, you have forgotten that a very similar near extinction happened here on earth long before we evolved to what we are, and yet we're still here. With the advances in science in the time of Mass Effect we're more than capable of ensuring our survival. Earth may be our central hub, but it isn't the last beacon of our civilization. To note, the Alliance isn't limited solely to Earth, and the Blue Suns could very well act as a sufficient check in threats to human colonies. A human, after all, was its founder.

[HippeusOmega]

After playing Arrival and the Alliance Navy sticking it to my Shepard again! I can safely say i could care less about what happens to the Council and Alliance/Earth in the 3rd game.

[jamesp81]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

A positive ending doesn't necessarily have to be a positive ending for humanity, keep that in mind.

Yes, it does.  Sorry.  Humanity comes to a bad end = Tragic Ending.  Period.

[GHOST OF FRUITY]

I'd love to see that. Earth utterly destroyed, possibly in some form of sacrifice to destroy the reapers and humans having to find a new world to call home. If we get multiple endings, this is one i'd love to see.

[Almostfaceman]

jamesp81 wrote...

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

A positive ending doesn't necessarily have to be a positive ending for humanity, keep that in mind.

Yes, it does.  Sorry.  Humanity comes to a bad end = Tragic Ending.  Period.

I'd have to agree - one of the main themes of the ME franchise is "humanitys entrance upon the galactic stage".

[jamesp81]

Rekkampum wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Rekkampum wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Rekkampum wrote...

jon1991 wrote...

That would be an epic potential ending, so no, I wouldn't be pissed. What I WOULD be pissed off about is if you could NEVER save the Earth no matter what you do, or how many correct choices you've made.

I would love it if earth gets obliterated. It would take a huge blow to us, sure, but I don't think it would mean humans are endangered though, since there are plenty of colonies elsewhere.

This has been covered upthread.  Destruction of Earth at this juncture means the END of humanity as a galactic player.

Well, that's kinda narrow then. While the Quarians lack a homeworld, their Migrant Fleet is still an impressive military force. Humanity isn't a static society like the other ME races, so while we would ostensibly receive a serious blow to our galactic strength, our need to innovate to survive would undoubtedly result in advances that allow us to compensate for this.

The Quarians live a hand to mouth existence in abject poverty.  The majority of the Migrant Fleet is tramp freighters and whatever third-hand ships the Quarians could beg, borrow, or buy.  It is not a military force.  It's a defensive huddle that shelters what little remains of their people.

As I mentioned previously, the combined populations of humanity's very largest, oldest, and wealthiest colonies amount to considerably less than 1% of the human population.  Humanity cannot survive 98% or more of their race being killed and still remain a galactic power.  IT IS NOT POSSIBLE.  If Earth is destroyed, humanity will be damned lucky if they end up like the Quarians.  The most likely end that results from losing Earth is remaining human colonials are enslaved by the various Terminus systems thugs.

Abject poverty? I really suggest you avoid the disaster porn. They certainly aren't as well off as others, but they definitely aren't as pitiful as you're caricaturing them to be.

Second of all, you have forgotten that a very similar near extinction happened here on earth long before we evolved to what we are, and yet we're still here. With the advances in science in the time of Mass Effect we're more than capable of ensuring our survival. Earth may be our central hub, but it isn't the last beacon of our civilization. To note, the Alliance isn't limited solely to Earth, and the Blue Suns could very well act as a sufficient check in threats to human colonies. A human, after all, was its founder.

You need to read more Codex entries on the Quarians.  They are impoverished.  They individually don't even have personal possessions beyond their suits.  They live on a fleet of mostly ramshackle ships that require constant maintenance to keep them from breaking down.  An Alliance ship with a crew of 80 would have a crew 700 to 800 if it was part of the Migrant Fleet (this is canon per one of the novels).  They are overcrowded, undersupplied, and not welcome in any council star system.

As for the Alliance being limited to Earth, I have addressed, multiple times, why the colonies at this juncture cannot survive without Earth.  I will not re-hash them again.  The Blue Suns merc group was founded by a human but it has as many Batarians and Turians as it does Humans.  They will only fight for whoever pays the most.  If Earth is destroyed, the colonies, some of which still use the barter system ffs, WILL NOT be the highest bidders for their services.

Modifié par jamesp81, 06 avril 2011 - 06:51 .

[CulturalGeekGirl]

jamesp81 wrote...

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

A positive ending doesn't necessarily have to be a positive ending for humanity, keep that in mind.

Yes, it does.  Sorry.  Humanity comes to a bad end = Tragic Ending.  Period.

Damnit, I keep trying to have a conversation with you about that, and you keep ignoring my posts! /whine!

I'm sorry they're walls of text, but I think I have a plausible explanation for how humanity could recover after losing earth. It got bottom page'd so maybe you didn't see it.

At this point, for me, this thread has become less about what will probably happen (Do I think the writers can get away with a plot where you cannot save earth? Short answer: No.) and more about exploring the Science Fictional repercussions of a destroyed earth, in the context of the Mass Effect Universe, integrating SF tropes and historical references! 

[jamesp81]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

A positive ending doesn't necessarily have to be a positive ending for humanity, keep that in mind.

Yes, it does.  Sorry.  Humanity comes to a bad end = Tragic Ending.  Period.

Damnit, I keep trying to have a conversation with you about that, and you keep ignoring my posts! /whine!

I'm sorry they're walls of text, but I think I have a plausible explanation for how humanity could recover after losing earth. It got bottom page'd so maybe you didn't see it.

At this point, for me, this thread has become less about what will probably happen (Do I think the writers can get away with a plot where you cannot save earth? Short answer: No.) and more about exploring the Science Fictional repercussions of a destroyed earth, in the context of the Mass Effect Universe, integrating SF tropes and historical references! 

Sorry:(.  I love your wall of text posts, but I'll have to wait until later this evening before I can stop to read them.  I apologize

OK, consequences of Earth being lost.....

right now, if it happens, I don't see how the colonies could maintain their independence against the Batarians or the Terminus systems thugs.  Unless the Reapers completely facestomp them first.

[Zulu_DFA]

jamesp81 wrote...

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

A positive ending doesn't necessarily have to be a positive ending for humanity, keep that in mind.

Yes, it does.  Sorry.  Humanity comes to a bad end = Tragic Ending.  Period.

That's right, and that's why you'll have to sacrifice the earthworms.

This whole story "Earth gets attacked by the Reapers!!!" is a repetition of that "Batarian missile strike" mission on a larger scale. Either you save the residential district, and lose the colony due to the destruction of its industrial base, or you save the industrial district and save the colony. Simple as that.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 06 avril 2011 - 06:57 .

[Nathan Redgrave]

jamesp81 wrote...

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

A positive ending doesn't necessarily have to be a positive ending for humanity, keep that in mind.

Yes, it does.  Sorry.  Humanity comes to a bad end = Tragic Ending.  Period.

You see, children, this is why we can't have nice things. Because people are so focused on their own well-being that the possibility of their own people taking a hit for the good of everyone else is just as bad as everyone burning in hell to them.

[Legbiter]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Legbiter wrote...

If Earth is a complete write-off while the rest of the galaxy got through mostly unscathed the best case scenario will have humanity (a hundred million at most) become a client race of the turians. We'd have less pull than the hanar.

Do the Hanar have dreadnoughts?
Do the Hanar have fighter carriers?
Do the Hanar have stealth frigates?
Do the Hanar have E.D.Is?

Sorry to disappoint you, but it's the Turians (and everybody else) that are going to be a client race of the Humans, once the Earthen parasites are annihilated by the Reapers.

That rant while interesting makes no sense but I'm sober so maybe it shouldn't

Yeah, perish the thought that the annihilation of 98% of the entire species might ruffle humanity's galactic mojo. Clearly, the tiny remnant left will all be nietzschean Übermensch.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

jamesp81 wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

A positive ending doesn't necessarily have to be a positive ending for humanity, keep that in mind.

Yes, it does.  Sorry.  Humanity comes to a bad end = Tragic Ending.  Period.

Damnit, I keep trying to have a conversation with you about that, and you keep ignoring my posts! /whine!

I'm sorry they're walls of text, but I think I have a plausible explanation for how humanity could recover after losing earth. It got bottom page'd so maybe you didn't see it.

At this point, for me, this thread has become less about what will probably happen (Do I think the writers can get away with a plot where you cannot save earth? Short answer: No.) and more about exploring the Science Fictional repercussions of a destroyed earth, in the context of the Mass Effect Universe, integrating SF tropes and historical references! 

Sorry:(.  I love your wall of text posts, but I'll have to wait until later this evening before I can stop to read them.  I apologize

OK, consequences of Earth being lost.....

right now, if it happens, I don't see how the colonies could maintain their independence against the Batarians or the Terminus systems thugs.  Unless the Reapers completely facestomp them first.

No worries. Cliff's notes version: 

Humanity could be a  hero race, given largesse by the council.

It looks bad for the council if they remove protection from a race for losing its homeworld.

Is that basically saying that if, say, the Krogan manage to use an asteroid to take out the Turian homeworld, the Turians would be off the council?

[Almostfaceman]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

A positive ending doesn't necessarily have to be a positive ending for humanity, keep that in mind.

Yes, it does.  Sorry.  Humanity comes to a bad end = Tragic Ending.  Period.

Damnit, I keep trying to have a conversation with you about that, and you keep ignoring my posts! /whine!

I'm sorry they're walls of text, but I think I have a plausible explanation for how humanity could recover after losing earth. It got bottom page'd so maybe you didn't see it.

At this point, for me, this thread has become less about what will probably happen (Do I think the writers can get away with a plot where you cannot save earth? Short answer: No.) and more about exploring the Science Fictional repercussions of a destroyed earth, in the context of the Mass Effect Universe, integrating SF tropes and historical references! 

Sorry:(.  I love your wall of text posts, but I'll have to wait until later this evening before I can stop to read them.  I apologize

OK, consequences of Earth being lost.....

right now, if it happens, I don't see how the colonies could maintain their independence against the Batarians or the Terminus systems thugs.  Unless the Reapers completely facestomp them first.

No worries. Cliff's notes version: 

Humanity could be a  hero race, given largesse by the council.

It looks bad for the council if they remove protection from a race for losing its homeworld.

Is that basically saying that if, say, the Krogan manage to use an asteroid to take out the Turian homeworld, the Turians would be off the council?

Haven't the Turians had a lot more time to "spread out" than humanity?  That's not exactly an apples to apples comparison methinks.

Modifié par Almostfaceman, 06 avril 2011 - 07:02 .

[Rekkampum]

jamesp81 wrote...

Rekkampum wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Rekkampum wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Rekkampum wrote...

jon1991 wrote...

That would be an epic potential ending, so no, I wouldn't be pissed. What I WOULD be pissed off about is if you could NEVER save the Earth no matter what you do, or how many correct choices you've made.

I would love it if earth gets obliterated. It would take a huge blow to us, sure, but I don't think it would mean humans are endangered though, since there are plenty of colonies elsewhere.

This has been covered upthread.  Destruction of Earth at this juncture means the END of humanity as a galactic player.

Well, that's kinda narrow then. While the Quarians lack a homeworld, their Migrant Fleet is still an impressive military force. Humanity isn't a static society like the other ME races, so while we would ostensibly receive a serious blow to our galactic strength, our need to innovate to survive would undoubtedly result in advances that allow us to compensate for this.

The Quarians live a hand to mouth existence in abject poverty.  The majority of the Migrant Fleet is tramp freighters and whatever third-hand ships the Quarians could beg, borrow, or buy.  It is not a military force.  It's a defensive huddle that shelters what little remains of their people.

As I mentioned previously, the combined populations of humanity's very largest, oldest, and wealthiest colonies amount to considerably less than 1% of the human population.  Humanity cannot survive 98% or more of their race being killed and still remain a galactic power.  IT IS NOT POSSIBLE.  If Earth is destroyed, humanity will be damned lucky if they end up like the Quarians.  The most likely end that results from losing Earth is remaining human colonials are enslaved by the various Terminus systems thugs.

Abject poverty? I really suggest you avoid the disaster porn. They certainly aren't as well off as others, but they definitely aren't as pitiful as you're caricaturing them to be.

Second of all, you have forgotten that a very similar near extinction happened here on earth long before we evolved to what we are, and yet we're still here. With the advances in science in the time of Mass Effect we're more than capable of ensuring our survival. Earth may be our central hub, but it isn't the last beacon of our civilization. To note, the Alliance isn't limited solely to Earth, and the Blue Suns could very well act as a sufficient check in threats to human colonies. A human, after all, was its founder.

You need to read more Codex entries on the Quarians.  They are impoverished.  They individually own nothing.  They live on a fleet of mostly ramshackle ships that require constant maintenance to keep them from breaking down.  An Alliance ship with a crew of 80 would have a crew 700 to 800 if it was part of the Migrant Fleet (this is canon per one of the novels).  They are overcrowded, undersupplied, and not welcome in any council star system.

As for the Alliance being limited to Earth, I have address, multiple times, why the colonies, at this juncture, cannot survive without Earth.  I will not re-hash them again.  The Blue Suns merc group was founded by a human but it has as many Batarians and Turians as it does Humans.  They will only fight for whoever pays the most.  If Earth is destroyed, the colonies, some of which still use the barter system ffs, WILL NOT be the highest bidders for their services.

No I don't. There's a difference between saying they are "impoverished" and saying they live in hand to mouth "abject poverty." The two are not mutually exclusive. 

You have speculated, based on information that is available to both of us, and, based on your own opinions, formed an argument surrounding it. I, have done the same, and will point out how your view requires that we ignore some key facts about the human will to survive and adapt - and also overlooks Cerberus and the Alliance's power outside of Earth, not to mention our own political power as an active part of the Citadel's Council. Speculation on either our parts is equally warranted, but no form of metagaming is definitive until it's been written and signed by the very minds behind the ME franchise.

[Zulu_DFA]

Legbiter wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Legbiter wrote...

If Earth is a complete write-off while the rest of the galaxy got through mostly unscathed the best case scenario will have humanity (a hundred million at most) become a client race of the turians. We'd have less pull than the hanar.

Do the Hanar have dreadnoughts?
Do the Hanar have fighter carriers?
Do the Hanar have stealth frigates?
Do the Hanar have E.D.Is?

Sorry to disappoint you, but it's the Turians (and everybody else) that are going to be a client race of the Humans, once the Earthen parasites are annihilated by the Reapers.

That rant while interesting makes no sense but I'm sober so maybe it shouldn't

Yeah, perish the thought that the annihilation of 98% of the entire species might ruffle humanity's galactic mojo. Clearly, the tiny remnant left will all be nietzschean Übermensch.

You're being ironical, but you might not be so far away from truth as you'd like to believe. The "Ubermensch" motives are clearly present in the series.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 06 avril 2011 - 07:05 .

[jamesp81]

Almostfaceman wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

A positive ending doesn't necessarily have to be a positive ending for humanity, keep that in mind.

Yes, it does.  Sorry.  Humanity comes to a bad end = Tragic Ending.  Period.

Damnit, I keep trying to have a conversation with you about that, and you keep ignoring my posts! /whine!

I'm sorry they're walls of text, but I think I have a plausible explanation for how humanity could recover after losing earth. It got bottom page'd so maybe you didn't see it.

At this point, for me, this thread has become less about what will probably happen (Do I think the writers can get away with a plot where you cannot save earth? Short answer: No.) and more about exploring the Science Fictional repercussions of a destroyed earth, in the context of the Mass Effect Universe, integrating SF tropes and historical references! 

Sorry:(.  I love your wall of text posts, but I'll have to wait until later this evening before I can stop to read them.  I apologize

OK, consequences of Earth being lost.....

right now, if it happens, I don't see how the colonies could maintain their independence against the Batarians or the Terminus systems thugs.  Unless the Reapers completely facestomp them first.

No worries. Cliff's notes version: 

Humanity could be a  hero race, given largesse by the council.

It looks bad for the council if they remove protection from a race for losing its homeworld.

Is that basically saying that if, say, the Krogan manage to use an asteroid to take out the Turian homeworld, the Turians would be off the council?

Haven't the Turians had a lot more time to "spread out" than humanity?  That's not exactly an apples to apples comparison methinks.

The Turians do have multiple worlds with populations measuring in the billions.  So maybe not apples to apples.

However, CGG's scenario could work.  Earth could be re-colonized after a near extinction of the population.  I am wondering how you'd get the warm bodies to colonize it though....loss of Earth's entire population or almost all of it is 95% or more of the human race.  I guess you'd need a hell of a lot of cloning facilities or something.

Modifié par jamesp81, 06 avril 2011 - 07:13 .

[jamesp81]

Rekkampum wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Rekkampum wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Rekkampum wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Rekkampum wrote...

jon1991 wrote...

That would be an epic potential ending, so no, I wouldn't be pissed. What I WOULD be pissed off about is if you could NEVER save the Earth no matter what you do, or how many correct choices you've made.

I would love it if earth gets obliterated. It would take a huge blow to us, sure, but I don't think it would mean humans are endangered though, since there are plenty of colonies elsewhere.

This has been covered upthread.  Destruction of Earth at this juncture means the END of humanity as a galactic player.

Well, that's kinda narrow then. While the Quarians lack a homeworld, their Migrant Fleet is still an impressive military force. Humanity isn't a static society like the other ME races, so while we would ostensibly receive a serious blow to our galactic strength, our need to innovate to survive would undoubtedly result in advances that allow us to compensate for this.

The Quarians live a hand to mouth existence in abject poverty.  The majority of the Migrant Fleet is tramp freighters and whatever third-hand ships the Quarians could beg, borrow, or buy.  It is not a military force.  It's a defensive huddle that shelters what little remains of their people.

As I mentioned previously, the combined populations of humanity's very largest, oldest, and wealthiest colonies amount to considerably less than 1% of the human population.  Humanity cannot survive 98% or more of their race being killed and still remain a galactic power.  IT IS NOT POSSIBLE.  If Earth is destroyed, humanity will be damned lucky if they end up like the Quarians.  The most likely end that results from losing Earth is remaining human colonials are enslaved by the various Terminus systems thugs.

Abject poverty? I really suggest you avoid the disaster porn. They certainly aren't as well off as others, but they definitely aren't as pitiful as you're caricaturing them to be.

Second of all, you have forgotten that a very similar near extinction happened here on earth long before we evolved to what we are, and yet we're still here. With the advances in science in the time of Mass Effect we're more than capable of ensuring our survival. Earth may be our central hub, but it isn't the last beacon of our civilization. To note, the Alliance isn't limited solely to Earth, and the Blue Suns could very well act as a sufficient check in threats to human colonies. A human, after all, was its founder.

You need to read more Codex entries on the Quarians.  They are impoverished.  They individually own nothing.  They live on a fleet of mostly ramshackle ships that require constant maintenance to keep them from breaking down.  An Alliance ship with a crew of 80 would have a crew 700 to 800 if it was part of the Migrant Fleet (this is canon per one of the novels).  They are overcrowded, undersupplied, and not welcome in any council star system.

As for the Alliance being limited to Earth, I have address, multiple times, why the colonies, at this juncture, cannot survive without Earth.  I will not re-hash them again.  The Blue Suns merc group was founded by a human but it has as many Batarians and Turians as it does Humans.  They will only fight for whoever pays the most.  If Earth is destroyed, the colonies, some of which still use the barter system ffs, WILL NOT be the highest bidders for their services.

No I don't. There's a difference between saying they are "impoverished" and saying they live in hand to mouth "abject poverty." The two are not mutually exclusive. 

You have speculated, based on information that is available to both of us, and, based on your own opinions, formed an argument surrounding it. I, have done the same, and will point out how your view requires that we ignore some key facts about the human will to survive and adapt - and also overlooks Cerberus and the Alliance's power outside of Earth, not to mention our own political power as an active part of the Citadel's Council. Speculation on either our parts is equally warranted, but no form of metagaming is definitive until it's been written and signed by the very minds behind the ME franchise.

The Alliance doesn't HAVE any power outside of Earth.  Almost all of the Alliance's resources are derived from Earth at this point.

But you are right about one thing: Bioware is god in the ME universe.  So if they want to say unicorns saved everyone, then they did.  I don't see that one quite happening though:blink:

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Haven't the Turians had a lot more time to "spread out" than humanity?  That's not exactly an apples to apples comparison methinks.

Gonna break down that quotem pole.

Damnit, I'm trying to keep my posts short! But when short, they're misinterpreted! I can't win!

I'm talking more about the political implications of removing council/citadel protection from a race because that race was devastated by an outside force. The Quarians were abandoned because they were seen as having "made their own bed." They broke council rules, and created a superweapon... then started a war with the superweapon they created.

The "selling point" for the citadel is that once you're there, you're part of a huge agreement to work together and engage in diplomacy. If the Asari and Salarians start chucking races out as soon as they are no longer "useful," more races will decide to take the Batarian route: ditch the council, enslave council races and ravage council colonies. After a Reaper invasion, no one will feel safe. The idea that, if your race is the next one targeted by a Reaper fleet, you'll never get any help? That would hurt the citadel very badly. It's fine to be jerks to the Quarians... you can justify it to yourself, claim that they "had it coming." But being jerks to a race that just got blindsided by an outside force? That reduces the relevance of the council and the citadel. Marketing fail.

[raist747]

I'm fine with ditching the cradle.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

jamesp81 wrote...


The Turians do have multiple worlds with populations measuring in the billions.  So maybe not apples to apples.

However, CGG's scenario could work.  Earth could be re-colonized after a near extinction of the population.  I am wondering how you'd get the warm bodies to colonize it though....loss of Earth's entire population or almost all of it is 95% or more of the human race.  I guess you'd need a hell of a lot of cloning facilities or something.

Also, assume it's possible for the human population to double each generation. All it takes is the average family having 4 kids. Some will have fewer, some will have more. This is not unreasonable: the average woman had 3.8 children in postwar america. Now we have even better technology. Heck, there are places on earth right now where the average fertility rate is 7 children per woman. I don't have time to do the resarch on survival levels, but we can assume that in the future, it's even easier to have these kids survive.

Given that, and assuming a generation is approx 25 years, it takes only 200 years to go from 100 million to 8 billion, unless I've done some math wrong. That may seem like a long time, but in galactic time it's barely an eyeblink. And I really do believe that humanity will do it, especially if they go heavy agrarian on some of the colonies.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 06 avril 2011 - 07:24 .

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jamesp81 wrote...


The Alliance doesn't HAVE any power outside of Earth.  Almost all of the Alliance's resources are derived from Earth at this point.

That's demonstrably false, since they've been heavily invested in surveying other planets for resources. 

Seriously though, a unicorn wouldn't be out of place. Maybe it could be a long-forgotten race of aliens akin to the beings of light.