if humanity gave up their homworld in order to stop the reapers from winning the war then i can almost gaurentee you that the rest of the galaxay would make humanity protected and help them get back on there feet
Would you be pissed if Earth dies and humanity becomes or atleast comes close to becoming an endangered species?
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That's right. And Earth has 0 (zero) of those. Except the manpower which is mostly worthless in the ME timeline becasue it is easily replaced by cheaper to maintain mechs, robotics and VIs.
A garden planet is a resource. So much so that the Council threatens war
with anyone who destroys them. It also has huge population that is
eager to buy up all the crap you dig out of the ground. In addition,
Earth has a thriving industry.
Mechs and VI's don't buy goods, Zulu.
Unless your plans are to turn humanity into North Korea I don't see where you're going with this and I don't think you've thought it through.
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No, I'll be a lightweight boxer with a Magnum against heavyweights with Magnums. I'll draw faster.
No, Zulu, there won't be a magnum. You wouldn't have the money to buy a magnum in the first place, much less ammution, or even to maintain it. It is Earth that drives your expansion.
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Not if they give up theirs first.
Sure, Zulu, if that's what you think. It makes perfect sense that the other races with much larger and stable economies will totally give up their rights to the crippled, rotting humans. The very same humans who can't afford their military anymore, can't protect their colonies, and can't expand anymore.
You will be worthless to them. You are not as hot as you think you are. Especially when you've got no allies and now no home planet with 11 billion humans and a thriving technological industry to back you up.
At least the aliens don't pay me with my own cash.
Stop looking at it as Us vs Them. Goddamnit man!
What don't you understand? Earth is the one that gives you the cash so that you can dig up resources to sell back to Earth in addition for more cash to dig up more resources. It's what is driving your expansion.
The aliens won't need your resources as badly because their worlds are already established and already have far larger colonies, and more numerous ones, to supply them.
How can you not understand this? Earth wants what you have and so they sent you out there to get it. The more you get for them the more money they give you to expand further. You have a seriously inflated sense of self-worth, my friend.
The aliens will not be as friendly to you. They do not have the same mutual interests to promote. The only reason they ever paid you any attention was because of your rapid expansion. Expansion that will evaporate without Earth and may even reverse.
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I'll be William the Conqueror, who didn't have much of a homeland to speak of and subdued a nation with a handful of well organized warriors.
No, you'll be a Council patsy and go down in history as the man who destroyed humanity as a galactic powerhouse.
It just doesn't make any goddamn sense. You keep ranting about how Earth is holding you back, but Earth is the one enabling you to grow. You already admitted that with out Earth you can't grow anymore.
So what the **** is it you want? You want to stop human expansion? If you are in love with colonial life so much then don't blow up your biggest market and investor.
Christ almighty.
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if humanity gave up their homworld in order to stop the reapers from winning the war then i can almost gaurentee you that the rest of the galaxay would make humanity protected and help them get back on there feet
Ahh, I remember when I was a naive 14 year-old too. Good times, good times. Ignorance really is bliss.
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A question for you Zulu. How many colonists do you believe are needed to make a viable Colony?
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Zulu_DFA wrote...
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A question for you Zulu. How many colonists do you believe are needed to make a viable Colony?
Your Bolivian marching powder is strong.
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Zulu_DFA wrote...
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A question for you Zulu. How many colonists do you believe are needed to make a viable Colony?
A colony with only four people is not a colony, its at best a factory.
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if humanity gave up their homworld in order to stop the reapers from winning the war then i can almost gaurentee you that the rest of the galaxay would make humanity protected and help them get back on there feet
See native reservations for the full glory of that.
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I'd say more than four people, but there are likely at least a billion humans in colonies and such off-world anyway. There will eventually be some wars and conflicts but I would imagine all of the races would be rebuilding for at least a decade after the reapers tried to exterminate all life in the galaxy. Enough time for humanity to get back on it's feet somewhat.
If somehow only humanity suffers billions of losses and we lose most of our fleet in the process too, then we are in a pretty bad position. But a campaign to exterminate humanity? Even for the Council it seems unlikely.
If somehow only humanity suffers billions of losses and we lose most of our fleet in the process too, then we are in a pretty bad position. But a campaign to exterminate humanity? Even for the Council it seems unlikely.
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Saphra Deden wrote...
StarGateGod wrote...
if humanity gave up their homworld in order to stop the reapers from winning the war then i can almost gaurentee you that the rest of the galaxay would make humanity protected and help them get back on there feet
Ahh, I remember when I was a naive 14 year-old too. Good times, good times. Ignorance really is bliss.
Ah yes, utopian ideals that claim that all races will sing kumbaya together forever and ever. We have dismissed claim.
Saphra Deden does it really surprise you that some people on this board are quite naive and blinded by their utopian beliefs. I am sorry people but the races will NEVER get along kumbaya style (that is if Bioware wants to keep this galaxy realistic that is). If the other races help humanity (and that is a big IF), it will only be for their benefit. Foreign policy is based on SELF-INTEREST.
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Foreign policy is based on SELF-INTEREST.
Oh! OH! The TRUTH! IT BURNS! STOP IT!
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I'd say more than four people, but there are likely at least a billion humans in colonies and such off-world anyway
No.
The largest human colonies all put together amount to 0.12% of humanity.
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I think I'll retract my statement, if only for the sake of the discussion. I now say go cloning, and in 30 years the Alliance will be able to double the number of settled planets under its control.Saphra Deden wrote...
It just doesn't make any goddamn sense. You keep ranting about how Earth is holding you back, but Earth is the one enabling you to grow. You already admitted that with out Earth you can't grow anymore.
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I'd say more than four people, but there are likely at least a billion humans in colonies and such off-world anyway.
You arrived at this number how exactly? The four largest known human colonies have a total population less than 20 million. Humanity has a few dozen colonies and then half again as many industrial outposts. Fewer actually, considering the Collector abductions.
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Posté 06 avril 2011 - 11:23
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No.
The largest human colonies all put together amount to 0.12% of humanity.
I don't recall the codex saying that.
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i believe half of earths people should be extinct wile the other half maybe gets put into some form of protection on the hannar, asari, turrian, flotila worlds
Go petition the Reapers for mercy.
im serious though. shepards a icon for humanity right? what if hes to be so iconic that other worlds will take in humans during the reaper invasion of earth? nihlus, and even liara said humans are still yet to be trusted but what if shepards history of the citadel and collector attacks have these species look at humans and say ok they are ready and we will back em up?
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I think I'll retract my statement, if only for the sake of the discussion. I now say go cloning, and in 30 years the Alliance will be able to double the number of settled planets under its control.
How many humans do you reckon you can grow and how will you pay for it?
What makes you think you can afford the infrastructure needed to support a population that has doubled in 30 years? Remember, this time there is no Earth giving you money to build anything.
What if the Council tells you not to do that?
I admire your ambition but you're committing suicide.
1.) Dig up resources
2.) Sell resources to aliens
3.) Use money to grow humans
4.) Dig up resources ---- WAIT! You need money to do that!
5.) Ask aliens for money?
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Posté 06 avril 2011 - 11:35
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No.
The largest human colonies all put together amount to 0.12% of humanity.
I don't recall the codex saying that.
Easy, add the populations of say, Bekenstein, Terra Nova and Eden Prime. Compare it to Earth's total population.
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Three colonies out of an undetermined number?
I'll lower my estimate to at least 200 million people, still not the doom of humanity.
I'll lower my estimate to at least 200 million people, still not the doom of humanity.
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Three colonies out of an undetermined number?
I'll lower my estimate to at least 200 million people, still not the doom of humanity.
Whatever gets you through the night
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Posté 06 avril 2011 - 11:59
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Three colonies out of an undetermined number?
I'll lower my estimate to at least 200 million people, still not the doom of humanity.
Let me help you with your math.
Terra Nova is Earth's most populous colony and it has a population of 4.4 million as of 2183. (Bekenstein has just managed to eclipse it as of 2185)
So for the sake of argument lets assume that EVERY human colony has a population of 4.4 million.
We know there are dozens of human colonies but are never given a specific number.
So let's assume 50.
That's 220 million, quite a bit lower than your initial estimate. However once again that assumes that every colony has a population of 4.4 million. The fact is Terra Nova stands out for its large population and booming economy. Bekenstein comes close. The other colonies have populations quite a bit smaller. Number only 1 or 2 million or even just in the tens or hundreds of thousands.
The total population is thus going to be quite a bit less than 220 million.
For reference:
Freedom's Progress: 912,810 (now zero)
Horizon: 654,930
Proteus: 12,470
Feros: 1,200 (est, but may also now be zero)
Chasca: 150 (likely a little bigger now)
So clearly Eden Prime (3.7 million), Terra Nova, and Bekenstein aren't representative of the average population of our colonies. They are the biggest. It's entirely possible that half of all human colonists in the galaxy live on those three (also might include Elysium and Shanxi)
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i highly disagree, giving your homeworld to protect a galactic threat will unite the galaxyMarkinator_123 wrote...
Saphra Deden wrote...
StarGateGod wrote...
if humanity gave up their homworld in order to stop the reapers from winning the war then i can almost gaurentee you that the rest of the galaxay would make humanity protected and help them get back on there feet
Ahh, I remember when I was a naive 14 year-old too. Good times, good times. Ignorance really is bliss.
Ah yes, utopian ideals that claim that all races will sing kumbaya together forever and ever. We have dismissed claim.
Saphra Deden does it really surprise you that some people on this board are quite naive and blinded by their utopian beliefs. I am sorry people but the races will NEVER get along kumbaya style (that is if Bioware wants to keep this galaxy realistic that is). If the other races help humanity (and that is a big IF), it will only be for their benefit. Foreign policy is based on SELF-INTEREST.
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Actually, with Udina on the Human-Led Council, the Collector Base at the disposal of Cerberus, and the coming role of the Saviors of the Galaxy from the Eternal Doom, I'm going to -Saphra Deden wrote...
Zulu_DFA wrote...
I think I'll retract my statement, if only for the sake of the discussion. I now say go cloning, and in 30 years the Alliance will be able to double the number of settled planets under its control.
How many humans do you reckon you can grow and how will you pay for it?
What makes you think you can afford the infrastructure needed to support a population that has doubled in 30 years? Remember, this time there is no Earth giving you money to build anything.
What if the Council tells you not to do that?
I admire your ambition but you're committing suicide.
1.) Dig up resources
2.) Sell resources to aliens
3.) Use money to grow humans
4.) Dig up resources ---- WAIT! You need money to do that!
5.) Ask aliens for money?
TAX ALIENS FOR MONEY
Mwa. Ha. Ha.
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Saphra Deden wrote...
[Guesstimates]
Well then, Emperor Shepard will just have to make a little public announcement. "We need more people, have more sex, that is all."
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How many humans live in non-human colonies? Places like Omega. I don't think anyone can answer that question because the information isn't available.
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Even with only 10 million people breeding at post-WWII levels, using no technology developed after 1985, we get back to 6.8 billion in 350 years, using just one world.
This is not unreasonable, and nobody has contradicted these figures yet. They just like to ignore them. We came to this party 1300 years late... another few centuries is just even more fashionable.
This is not unreasonable, and nobody has contradicted these figures yet. They just like to ignore them. We came to this party 1300 years late... another few centuries is just even more fashionable.
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