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[JustHonest]

Earth on fire, bits of reaper falling all over, just rubble far as the eye can see, countless bodies litter the floor, but shep still looks at the camera, smiles and says there....thatll stop your ****ing would be a badass ending of earth and for humans to start again with shep taking a nice long break on virmire

[AdmiralCheez]

Okay, CGG, you need to stop posting stuff I agree with.

[Siansonea]

Meh, humanity isn't that special. If Earth is destroyed, no big whoop. Since when do Mass Effect fans care about human characters anyway? Melt 'em down and make Purina Reaper Chow.

[Almostfaceman]

Malanek999 wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

No it wouldn't ruin the game. Even if Earth was destroyed humans would not become an endangered species. It would be less severe than the Quarian situation. It would definately set humanity back a bit though. I hope ME3 is pretty dark but the ending epic.

The Alliance will be destroyed by enemies if we let the vast majority of humans be destroyed.

What enemies? Even if there were 10,000 humans left alive the species would carry on. Hell with that level of scientific knowledge the species could be re-created even if every one of them was killed.

Did you seriously just ask "what enemies'?  Do you even pay attention to the Mass Effect universe?  The batarians.  The turians - there are some turians that aren't friendly with us and if you let the Council die that even gets worse.  What about any of the numerous hostile Terminous System forces?  The very first thing that you're told by Nihlus at the beginning of Mass Effect 1 is that the universe is not a very friendly place.  Wake up and smell the danger.

The Batarians are not anywhere near as bloodthirsty as you are making them out to be. Yes they would quite likely make pushes to gain control of disputed garden worlds, but they are not going to attempt to destroy the alliance (which would involve a genocide) or they will lose all political support from council races. Particularly after humanity suffers significant losses while protecting the galaxy. And the Turians don't even belong in this discussion, there is no evidence the Turians would even consider genocide against humanity. The only thing they would likely be doing to humanity is to help them rebuild.

I can bring whomever I like into the discussion.  What evidence do you have that the batarians aren't that bloodthristy?  If Earth is vacant - why would they not look at our planet as possible territory?  The Turians have fought with us before as well - if they see we are weak why not attack?  There is still bad blood on both sides as made evident in conversations with Pressly in ME1 or the turian shopkeeper (if we let the Council die) in Mass Effect 2.

And why go straight to genocide?  All they have to do is destroy our fleet and just keep us weak and ineffectual after that.  Destroying the Alliance does not equal genocide.

You have to have answers for these questions - which you don't.  You are relying on good will that doesn't exist.  

None of them have to totally wipe us out to make us insignificant.  In the batarians case, they could simply enslave us all and keep us as pets.  Why exactly would they not do this?

Forget being on the Council anymore - a council member race has to have a certain amount of power and the ability to take care of it's own problems - with most of the humans dead we won't be able to do that.

[aimlessgun]

I wouldn't be pissed. One thing I absolutely do not want at the end of ME3 is for the galaxy to go back to normal. I want to have undergone profound, shattereing changes. And not just some weak crap like a bit of political rebalancing. I want to see something like the Reapers almost winning, and the galaxy being a wasteland which the few survivors (of all races) must now rebuild. Or I want to see the transcendance of organic life, something as crazy epic as Childhood's End. Or any number of other ideas.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Earth being wiped out is hardly the end of humanity. There are dozens of colonies large and small, some of which are probably on nicer planers. I would sacrifice earth if it allowed for a defeat of the reapers and some degree of galactic stability to remain. From the ashes renegade Shepard, the savior of humanity shall build a new empire, with a stronger, united humanity at my back.

I'll beat Cerberus at their own game. "If only TIM could see me now."

Modifié par ReconTeam, 06 avril 2011 - 12:43 .

[AdmiralCheez]

aimlessgun wrote...

I wouldn't be pissed. One thing I absolutely do not want at the end of ME3 is for the galaxy to go back to normal. I want to have undergone profound, shattereing changes. And not just some weak crap like a bit of political rebalancing. I want to see something like the Reapers almost winning, and the galaxy being a wasteland which the few survivors (of all races) must now rebuild. Or I want to see the transcendance of organic life, something as crazy epic as Childhood's End. Or any number of other ideas.

Also, this.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Saphra Deden wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

If they went down fighting this ancient evil for the good of the galaxy, after being the only race that heeded the warnings and prepared? I don't think the rest of the galaxy will abandon them to die out.

You are incredibly naive. All of that good will in the Battle of the Citadel earned us what exactly? It sure as hell didn't win us any aid when the Collectors were abducting our colonies.

Without Earth humanity's wealth and influence would evaporate and our expansion could come to an immediate halt. It might even reverse, with us being forced to give up all but our biggest colonies. Our rivals would move in and loot whatever they wanted and there would be nothing we could do to stop.

Say goodbye to the Citadel, we'll no longer be a Council race.

That said, I will say again that I think this would make a for an interesting setting.

The Krogan were never a council race (right? I'm right about that, yes?) and yet, when given a clear and easy chance to permanently cause their extinction forever, nobody did it. This was after the Krogan had murdered millions of people from every single council race.

Humans may be seen as crazy, brutal upstarts, but we at least made orbit ourselves. I see no evidence anywhere that the humans would be treated any differently from the Krogan. Also remember that, even when the Krogan were murdering people from all the other races, the other races tried treaties with them, peace with them, the Salarians avoided committing genocide. Even when the Krogan seemed to be defeated, the galaxy begged them to accept a treaty and surrender, so they could be treated fairly. Only after that offer was refused did they release the genophage. To insist they would not do the same for a humanity decimated by Reaper attack seems illogical to me. 

The reason they didn't defend our colonies from the collectors was that we had deliberately made some colonies on worlds beyond citadel space. That's what the Terminus systems are: the area where nobody can legally help you. The Batarians and the other independent races (whom we haven't met) will attack any fleet that attempts to expand the borders of Citadel space into these areas, so to help us out there risks galactic war. We could barely legally have alliance ships out there.

Also, you're neglecting a major use the council has for humanity: to colonize worlds in areas where other races are hesitant to go, for fear of war. Humanity's expansionistic goals are actually seen as beneficial, as human colonies in the Terminus systems would need to be safer and more stable than batarian ones, because the batarians have no need to maintain diplomatic relations. Essentially, if an Asari cruiser makes an emergency landing on a human world, they can expect not to be taken as slaves, because the human world depends on support from the alliance to survive, and the alliance wouldn't want a diplomatic nightmare on their hands. If the Asari cruiser crashes on a batarian colony world, all bets are off, because the batarians have no treaties with the Citadel, and no positive image to maintain.

Absolute worst-case scenario for someone who has made mostly paragon political systems so far: when reduced to a minority race, we take an associate position in council space, like the Volus and the Elcor. Still, you have to bear in mind how much importance the council races seem to place on history and past contributions - they still have never taken down that Krogan statue, even after all this time. They are also politically sensitive, perhaps overly so - as Shepard points out, most of the galaxy considers the Genophage to be a war atrocity, despite the fact that it was actually pretty reasonable. If the Krogan showed evidence of civilization and had members capable of politics, they could become a major player on the galactic stage again quite quickly, I think.

Bear in mind also that the Turians got one hell of a slap on the wrist when the other council races found out that they were trying to wipe out a newly-contacted spacefaring race. The Turians are paying us massive reparations in apology, even still. That doesn't make them like us, but it makes it clear that committing genocide is politically unpopular, as is picking on underdog races.

All evidence and Galactic history points to the Asari and Salarians being reasonable, compassionate, and political, when the circumstances are right. I think for Paragon shep, the circumstances would grant humanity a strong diplomatic advantage.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 06 avril 2011 - 12:39 .

[Destroy Raiden_]

I would be upset if say we had to give up Earth's population in order to save the entire galaxy making the humans very low and near extinct. I do think Earth will need to fall realistically halfway through the game max. If it is attacked nearly 30 min - 4 hours into the game it makes no sense for it to last even with militia fighters till nearly the end of the game realistically I think all opposition would be suppressed and people would be just hiding in their basements or bunkers by half way point in the game and the Reapers would be chomping on all they could find fight free.

I want to fight the last battle on Earth as BW has stated is the case I just don't think they'll be too many people untouched by the reapers in one way or another. I expect some humans on Earth to be left alive even if that alive is messed up I don't think nor would I like the kill switch option like we got with the geth that killing the Reapers on Earth = death to all humans indoctrinated by them.

[sympathy4saren]

Nope. The sooner Earth is gone from this game, the better.

I'm disappointed Mass Effect resorted to "aliens attacking Earth" when all organic life is at stake.

[Almostfaceman]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

If they went down fighting this ancient evil for the good of the galaxy, after being the only race that heeded the warnings and prepared? I don't think the rest of the galaxy will abandon them to die out.

You are incredibly naive. All of that good will in the Battle of the Citadel earned us what exactly? It sure as hell didn't win us any aid when the Collectors were abducting our colonies.

Without Earth humanity's wealth and influence would evaporate and our expansion could come to an immediate halt. It might even reverse, with us being forced to give up all but our biggest colonies. Our rivals would move in and loot whatever they wanted and there would be nothing we could do to stop.

Say goodbye to the Citadel, we'll no longer be a Council race.

That said, I will say again that I think this would make a for an interesting setting.

The Krogan were never a council race (right? I'm right about that, yes?) and yet, when given a clear and easy chance to permanently cause their extinction forever, nobody did it. This was after the Krogan had murdered millions of people from every single council race.

Humans may be seen as crazy, brutal upstarts, but we at least made orbit ourselves. I see no evidence anywhere that the humans would be treated any differently from the Krogan. Also remember that, even when the Krogan were murdering people from all the other races, the other races tried treaties with them, peace with them, the Salarians avoided committing genocide. Even when the Krogan seemed to be defeated, the galaxy begged them to accept a treaty and surrender, so they could be treated fairly. Only after that offer was refused did they release the genophage. To insist they would not do the same for a humanity decimated by Reaper attack seems illogical to me. 

The reason they didn't defend our colonies from the collectors was that we had deliberately made some colonies on worlds beyond citadel space. That's what the Terminus systems are: the area where nobody can legally help you. The Batarians and the other independent races (whom we haven't met) will attack any fleet that attempts to expand the borders of Citadel space into these areas, so to help us out there risks galactic war. We could barely legally have alliance ships out there.

Also, you're neglecting a major use the council has for humanity: to colonize worlds in areas where other races are hesitant to go, for fear of war. Humanity's expansionistic goals are actually seen as beneficial, as human colonies in the Terminus systems would need to be safer and more stable than batarian ones, because the batarians have no need to maintain diplomatic relations. Essentially, if an Asari cruiser makes an emergency landing on a human world, they can expect not to be taken as slaves, because the human world depends on support from the alliance to survive, and the alliance wouldn't want a diplomatic nightmare on their hands. If the Asari cruiser crashes on a batarian colony world, all bets are off, because the batarians have no treaties with the Citadel, and no positive image to maintain.

Absolute worst-case scenario for someone who has made mostly paragon political systems so far: when reduced to a minority race, we take an associate position in council space, like the Volus and the Elcor. Still, you have to bear in mind how much importance the council races seem to place on history and past contributions - they still have never taken down that Krogan statue, even after all this time. They are also politically sensitive, perhaps overly so - as Shepard points out, most of the galaxy considers the Genophage to be a war atrocity, despite the fact that it was actually pretty reasonable. If the Krogan showed evidence of civilization and had members capable of politics, they could become a major player on the galactic stage again quite quickly, I think.

Bear in mind also that the Turians got one hell of a slap on the wrist when the other council races found out that they were trying to wipe out a newly-contacted spacefaring race. The Turians are paying us massive reparations in apology, even still. That doesn't make them like us, but it makes it clear that committing genocide is politically unpopular, as is picking on underdog races.

All evidence and Galactic history points to the Asari and Salarians being reasonable, compassionate, and political, when the circumstances are right. I think for Paragon shep, the circumstances would grant humanity a strong diplomatic advantage.

Respectfully, I think you're forgettign the fact that the Krogans don't need to be eliminated - they're dying already.  Tuchanka is not a viable planet for, say, the batarians.

It is repeatedly made clear in the Mass Effect story that humanity is seen as upstarts and bullies.  The Krogan aren't seen the same way because like I said before - they're dying. 

If Earth is gone - it's not even arguable that it will be a huge blow to the Alliance.  It's mentioned in the codex that the Alliance is regarded a "sleeping giant" because only 3% of the populatoin joins the armed forces - but there are huge reserves.  If those huge reserves are gone there is no more sleeping giant.

I think the batarians and the large armies of the Terminus would be the major problem if humanity is decimated.  I see a few getting saved by the Asari and maybe the Salarians - but the resource grab will begin - especially if Earth is not left a nuclear wasteland.  The batarians will attack and enslave and grab territory.

If humanity does have a resurgence it will be the branches of humanity saved by the Asari or another friendly race - and it will take a looong time since no race is really keen for humanity ro re-emerge as the "bully" again.

Modifié par Almostfaceman, 06 avril 2011 - 12:49 .

[Dave666]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

If they went down fighting this ancient evil for the good of the galaxy, after being the only race that heeded the warnings and prepared? I don't think the rest of the galaxy will abandon them to die out.

You are incredibly naive. All of that good will in the Battle of the Citadel earned us what exactly? It sure as hell didn't win us any aid when the Collectors were abducting our colonies.

Without Earth humanity's wealth and influence would evaporate and our expansion could come to an immediate halt. It might even reverse, with us being forced to give up all but our biggest colonies. Our rivals would move in and loot whatever they wanted and there would be nothing we could do to stop.

Say goodbye to the Citadel, we'll no longer be a Council race.

That said, I will say again that I think this would make a for an interesting setting.

The Krogan were never a council race (right? I'm right about that, yes?) and yet, when given a clear and easy chance to permanently cause their extinction forever, nobody did it. This was after the Krogan had murdered millions of people from every single council race.

Humans may be seen as crazy, brutal upstarts, but we at least made orbit ourselves. I see no evidence anywhere that the humans would be treated any differently from the Krogan. Also remember that, even when the Krogan were murdering people from all the other races, the other races tried treaties with them, peace with them, the Salarians avoided committing genocide. Even when the Krogan seemed to be defeated, the galaxy begged them to accept a treaty and surrender, so they could be treated fairly. Only after that offer was refused did they release the genophage. To insist they would not do the same for a humanity decimated by Reaper attack seems illogical to me. 

The reason they didn't defend our colonies from the collectors was that we had deliberately made some colonies on worlds beyond citadel space. That's what the Terminus systems are: the area where nobody can legally help you. The Batarians and the other independent races (whom we haven't met) will attack any fleet that attempts to expand the borders of Citadel space into these areas, so to help us out there risks galactic war. We could barely legally have alliance ships out there.

Also, you're neglecting a major use the council has for humanity: to colonize worlds in areas where other races are hesitant to go, for fear of war. Humanity's expansionistic goals are actually seen as beneficial, as human colonies in the Terminus systems would need to be safer and more stable than batarian ones, because the batarians have no need to maintain diplomatic relations. Essentially, if an Asari cruiser makes an emergency landing on a human world, they can expect not to be taken as slaves, because the human world depends on support from the alliance to survive, and the alliance wouldn't want a diplomatic nightmare on their hands. If the Asari cruiser crashes on a batarian colony world, all bets are off, because the batarians have no treaties with the Citadel, and no positive image to maintain.

Absolute worst-case scenario for someone who has made mostly paragon political systems so far: when reduced to a minority race, we take an associate position in council space, like the Volus and the Elcor. Still, you have to bear in mind how much importance the council races seem to place on history and past contributions - they still have never taken down that Krogan statue, even after all this time. They are also politically sensitive, perhaps overly so - as Shepard points out, most of the galaxy considers the Genophage to be a war atrocity, despite the fact that it was actually pretty reasonable. If the Krogan showed evidence of civilization and had members capable of politics, they could become a major player on the galactic stage again quite quickly, I think.

Bear in mind also that the Turians got one hell of a slap on the wrist when the other council races found out that they were trying to wipe out a newly-contacted spacefaring race. The Turians are paying us massive reparations in apology, even still. That doesn't make them like us, but it makes it clear that committing genocide is politically unpopular, as is picking on underdog races.

All evidence and Galactic history points to the Asari and Salarians being reasonable, compassionate, and political, when the circumstances are right. I think for Paragon shep, the circumstances would grant humanity a strong diplomatic advantage.

I agree with you CGG, some people follow the Machiavellian doctrine of 'Better to be feared than loved', the thing is, there's a very fine line between 'feared but respected' and 'feared and hated' and this doctrine only works providing you can maintain a position of strength.  If you cross the line into 'feared and hated' then if you're ever caught in a weakened position, those who hate you will tear you apart like a pack of wolves.

I prefer 'Better to be loved than feared' personally because if you are respected and people care about you then if you are ever in a weakened position then people are more likely to want to help you.  Granted, this by no means guarentees that you're going to get that help, but you are far more likely to recieve it than just because someone fears you.

[James2912]

omgodzilla wrote...

Lets assume that ME3 has two discs. The end of disc one would probably include a major story mission similiar to Horizon. In ME3, that mission could be an attempt to take back Earth with the help of all the forces you gathered. It could be a 2 hour long mission that takes you all over Earth but your assault ends up going horribly wrong. The fleet that you gathered ends up getting its ass kicked. In the end, you are forced to retreat and the Reapers go back to their extermination of Earth or whatever.

Then in disc 2, you try and find another way to take them all out. Your fleet took heavy losses but is still quite large. Things get extremely tense as you struggle on your mission. Then near the end of the game we get hit with the news that the Reapers have wiped out all of the 11 billion people that were on Earth. This is where everything gets super depressing and everyone ****s their pants. Along with Earth, several human colonies begin to get wiped out as well.

It doesn't have to go like this but what if Earth dies no matter what you do? Would it ruin the game for you or make things more interesting? Personally, I would love this. Mass Effect has a knack for making humans look like the top dogs in everything, I would love it if humans get their asses kicked to the point where they become the most pathetic species in existence or atleast somewhere close to that.

Somebody has self hate issues. 

[Malanek]

Almostfaceman wrote...

I can bring whomever I like into the discussion.  What evidence do you have that the batarians aren't that bloodthristy?  If Earth is vacant - why would they not look at our planet as possible territory?  The Turians have fought with us before as well - if they see we are weak why not attack?  There is still bad blood on both sides as made evident in conversations with Pressly in ME1 or the turian shopkeeper (if we let the Council die) in Mass Effect 2.

And why go straight to genocide?  All they have to do is destroy our fleet and just keep us weak and ineffectual after that.  Destroying the Alliance does not equal genocide.

You have to have answers for these questions - which you don't.  You are relying on good will that doesn't exist.  

None of them have to totally wipe us out to make us insignificant.  In the batarians case, they could simply enslave us all and keep us as pets.  Why exactly would they not do this?

Forget being on the Council anymore - a council member race has to have a certain amount of power and the ability to take care of it's own problems - with most of the humans dead we won't be able to do that.

You are telling me I don't have answers to questions before they had been asked???

Destroying the fleet does not destroy the Alliance. New ships can be built. The only way to "destroy the Alliance" would be genocide. However even destroying the fleet would be beyond the Batarians capability. The fleet just needs to park in a council race system and they are safe. And I maintain that the Bataraians would not bombard a garden planet populated by humans even if they wanted to. They would lose too much goodwill with the other, strategically superior, races.

The Turians have never shown any intent to destroy humanity. That was not what the first contact war was about. If humanity saves the galaxy they have even less reason. Sure you can bring them into the discussion...but that doesn't mean your argument will have any basis behind it.

The council did step in to stop the first contact war as well. They would be even more likely to step in if humanity was going to become erradicated.

[sympathy4saren]

Haha and you're right, OP. If we launch an assault on the Reapers...when we do, we are going to get our butts kicked bigtime. They're Reapers.

I don't know why the focus has shifted so far to earth, but its disappointing. I will honestly wait forever to get there if there is a ticking clock in-game so it allows the Reapers adequate time to destroy earth. Furthermore, if I am allowed to detonate the Sun with Reaper tech, I will.

One of the best things about Star Wars was it didn't have Earth. I liked the side story of humanity and what not and our progression, but I didn't like how it shifted to the main focus. Now its like we are playing a friggin halo game.

Please, stop this WE ARE HUMANITY stuff, people. The slogan....(shakes head and looks down sadly)...the slogan should be END. THE. REAPERS.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

sympathy4saren wrote...

Nope. The sooner Earth is gone from this game, the better.

I'm disappointed Mass Effect resorted to "aliens attacking Earth" when all organic life is at stake.

While I agree that this trope is pretty "played out" as they say, you have to realize there are two ways to play Mass Effect. One of the ways, you care about non-human organic life. The other way, you could care less if any other race dies if humanity survives.

They need to make a central story that is relevant to both paths. Also, earth being the first target makes sense based on a huge number of things we've seen in the plot so far.

1. Humanity managed to screw over the reapers. This caused them to be A) pissed and ...intrigued.

2.  So the Reapers decide to take a look at humanity. And what do you know, they're prime baby Reaper material. So harvest harvest, we still want to harvest you.

3. The Sol system is one of the closest Mass Relay systems to their FTL galactic entry point.

4. We are the only race that has shown strong indications of actively preparing for their attack, meaning they'd better focus fire us first. Otherwise we'll only get stronger, smarter, and more dangerous.

5. There's little to no indication that they aren't attacking or preparing to attack other worlds at the same time. Earth is just a focus, for all the reasons stated above.

So yes, all organic life is at stake. But just like Mordin calling his favorite nephew before the final battle, we need a specific reason. Organic life is a hard concept to visualize, while favorite nephew, home planet, human landmarks, emotional resonance.

I'm hoping for an "Earth is heavily wounded and horribly damaged but still alive, and safe for now... but there are still Reapers out there... come on, Ace, we have some Turians to save" plot arc. I'm not expecting it... but I'm hoping.

[HunterX6]

IN my personal opinion I will just think its lame, it should be optional, bit not forced on you, if you made the right and smart choices (not necessary paragon) and such then humans survive and endure, if you made the wrong and unwise choices (not necessary renegade) then earth and humans come to great danger. Its a matter of choices you made before and the decisions you make in mass effect 3.

In short, it depends on your actions from before and during the game and shouldnt be forced on you.

[James2912]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

If humanity gets nearly wiped out, (down to less than a billion, heck, even down into the tens of millions,) their continued survival depends a lot on how they went down.

If they went down fighting this ancient evil for the good of the galaxy, after being the only race that heeded the warnings and prepared? I don't think the rest of the galaxy will abandon them to die out. I honestly don't. The rest of the galaxy didn't wipe out the Krogan, and they bombarded Turian colony worlds with meteors from orbit, essentially killing everyone there and salting the earth so that nothing could ever grow again.

The Quarians are an unpopular nomad race largely because they got decimated by their own mismanagement, rather than by an outside force, and because it's really hard for them to find new colony worlds.  There's Garrus and Tali dialogue to that effect in ME1 (also: ME1 Garrus is kind of a dick.)

If humanity got nearly wiped out in a war with the Batarians, then yes, I think they'd be pretty screwed. Wiped out in a war with an aggressive, unpopular race... a war that, if it proceeds, most alliance races will feel we started? If that happened, we'd essentially end up like the Quarians, which I do not want to contemplate.

But humanity with a population of around a billion, a newfound chip on our shoulder, and a huge reputation as a hero race? I like our odds, then. I honestly think this might be something like this might be the "Paragon" ending of ME3, where we're hurt but beloved throughout the galaxy, ready to make our way as equals, prophets, and heroes.

I think the "Renegade" ending would have us suffering a lot fewer losses, but at the expense of screwing over a lot of other races. So we'll end the game with 10 billion or so humans still in the galaxy, but a reputation for destroying Mass Relays that wipe out colony worlds, and using horrible tactics to ensure our own survival: strong, but with a terrible uphill political battle if we ever want peace.

I advocate this awesome post! Bioware hire her!

[aimlessgun]

Saphra Deden wrote...

You are blind if you can't see that.

And you're blind to the fact that the Council's position in the galaxy could easily be far better, but they made compassionate choices instead of ruthless ones.They clearly care about their moral cleanliness, even if only for selfish reasons.

Modifié par aimlessgun, 06 avril 2011 - 01:07 .

[Almostfaceman]

Malanek999 wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

I can bring whomever I like into the discussion.  What evidence do you have that the batarians aren't that bloodthristy?  If Earth is vacant - why would they not look at our planet as possible territory?  The Turians have fought with us before as well - if they see we are weak why not attack?  There is still bad blood on both sides as made evident in conversations with Pressly in ME1 or the turian shopkeeper (if we let the Council die) in Mass Effect 2.

And why go straight to genocide?  All they have to do is destroy our fleet and just keep us weak and ineffectual after that.  Destroying the Alliance does not equal genocide.

You have to have answers for these questions - which you don't.  You are relying on good will that doesn't exist.  

None of them have to totally wipe us out to make us insignificant.  In the batarians case, they could simply enslave us all and keep us as pets.  Why exactly would they not do this?

Forget being on the Council anymore - a council member race has to have a certain amount of power and the ability to take care of it's own problems - with most of the humans dead we won't be able to do that.

You are telling me I don't have answers to questions before they had been asked???

Destroying the fleet does not destroy the Alliance. New ships can be built. The only way to "destroy the Alliance" would be genocide. However even destroying the fleet would be beyond the Batarians capability. The fleet just needs to park in a council race system and they are safe. And I maintain that the Bataraians would not bombard a garden planet populated by humans even if they wanted to. They would lose too much goodwill with the other, strategically superior, races.

The Turians have never shown any intent to destroy humanity. That was not what the first contact war was about. If humanity saves the galaxy they have even less reason. Sure you can bring them into the discussion...but that doesn't mean your argument will have any basis behind it.

The council did step in to stop the first contact war as well. They would be even more likely to step in if humanity was going to become erradicated.

Yes, you made statements in your previous post wihout asking yourself first the obvious questions I then asked.  You can't say the batarians aren't that bloodthirsty when they are obviously shown to be that bloodthirsty.  I knew you couldn't have an answer to why they aren't "that bloodthirsty" because you certainly couldn't get that answer from the game.

How, exactly, would humans financially support the Alliance without most of their resources?   Most of the financial wealth for humanity flows through Earth.  There are plenty of nations that exist on this very planet at this very moment that don't have worthwhile forces since they simply can't afford to maintain them.

Thus genocide is not a requirement for the Alliance to be destroyed.

The batarians could simply take over our colonies.  If Earth is still habitable - the batarians could grab it as well.  Or any number of Terminus forces could do the same - or join up the the Terminus forces to do the same.  

So then what are these humans parked in Alliance vehicles parked in Council space going to do?  I'll tell you what they'll do - they'll scatter and make the best of what they can with what they can.

I'm curious as to how much fleet you think there will be left after a war with the Reapers.  More than likely, ALL of the Council races will be hurting.

I see the remaining humans that aren't enslaved by the batarians or other hostiles scattering amongst friendly races and moving forward slowly from that point.