jamesp81 wrote...
CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
jamesp81 wrote...
Saphra Deden wrote...
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if humanity gave up their homworld in order to stop the reapers from winning the war then i can almost gaurentee you that the rest of the galaxay would make humanity protected and help them get back on there feet
Ahh, I remember when I was a naive 14 year-old too. Good times, good times. Ignorance really is bliss.
While my reply wasn't going to be this harsh, it's not out of line. It's extremely naive to think that the Council races would do anything special for humanity no matter what we did. They never have. We were never anything but a potential problem that they turned into a tool to pacify the unstable Attican Traverse. Once we are no longer useful as a tool, we will be discarded. It's truly that simple.
Ok, ONE thing -
The Council has a history of trying to not let species go extinct.
Look at the Yahg. They are a race of murder monsters. Murdering you is their default response to any contact. When the council discovered their planet was full of murder monsters, they didn't nuke it. They didn't even say "hey Batarians/Krogan/Turians, come kill these murder monsters for us!" They said "Ok. This race has a right to exist. Just... nobody ever go here, and we'll make sure they don't leave."
I see no reason why humanity should be treated as worse than the Yahg. I think there's significant evidence that the Citadel sees us as "a race that is less reasonable than the Turians, but more reasonable than the Krogan." Right now anyone could wipe out the Krogan. Nobody does, because what is the point? And the Salarians actually believe the Krogan may someday develop to the point where they're truly ready to be part of the galactic community. I don't see any evidence that they would view us as worse than a race who almost killed them all.
But if you want to believe that humanity is more hated than the Krogan, less respected than the Yahg, and basically everyone's least favoite drunk uncle, I can do nothing more than show you this past evidence. Maybe because I'm a paragon, everyone hides their blank hatred. I'm just pointing out that every time the Citadel has encountered a less-privledged species, as long as that species wasn't full of murder monsters, (and even, in the case of the Krogan, despite the fact that the species is full of murder monsters), they have tried to preserve that race.
You make a good point. Maybe you're right. I just can't imagine that bastard turian councilor ever lifting a finger to help a human world, since he's so fond of not getting involved in purely human matters. Maybe the Asari and Salarian councilors would simply outvote him.
Letting us sit in one little world where he can mock us for 300 years is something I think he'd agree to. A lot of his malice will evaporate when we're no longer a threat to his relevance.
While I keep saying we'll be powerful again someday, "300 years from now" seems like a long time for Turians, just like it does for humans. I don't think he'd sweat it so much. Right now, we make the Turians nervous. We do this because the scabs of the first contact war are still fresh (a thousand year-old interplanetary space empire defeated in battle by a race that only made orbit two centuries ago?), and because we appeared out of nowhere as a full-blown military and colonial race, and a possible replacement for them. Sure we don't have the tech, but we could get that from the Salarians, and we seem to have more biotic capability than everyone but the Asari.
Before us, the council was "balanced;" while the Asari and Salarians had more knowledge and influence, the Turians were the muscle and the Salarians, especially, couldn't afford to ****** them off. If I were a race of mad geniuses like the Salarians, I'd be secretly trying to figure out whether the humans can offer similar protection. If you have treaties with both of the major military powers in the galaxy, you can be more independent - if the Turians get mad at you, just have the humans back you up, and vice versa. I think the Turians realize that too, but if we're weakened, there's no immediate threat of us "replacing" the Turians, or subverting their power. And if we loose our council seat and then regain it after 400 years, the Turians will feel like we "waited our turn" appropriately. Then, once we're back on the galactic stage properly, we can start doing that thing we do.
Honestly, a lot of this depends on whether or not Mordin is the very model of a scientist Salarian. Before ME2, I had no real concept of what the Salarians were like. Now they're my favorite Mass Effect race. Mordin seemed so sure, so passionate, so adamant about saving the Krogan... now some of that may be racial guilt about the uplift, but I honestly believe the Salarians and Asari care about protecting weaker races, even former enemies.
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