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[Devbo22]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Devbo22 wrote...

 It's not like we hear about all the awesomeness that was the race of Sovereignity.

We've spent all of about three minutes talking to Reapers. Give them a chance.

So we invite them over for drinks, sit back and laugh the night away? 
Seriously, the Reapers show up and all they talk about is our destruction and start turning us into goo.  I don't care if you are paragon, renegade, or something in between, submitting to the Reapers is not something that would even cross your mind, especially after everything we have seen pertaining to Reapers and Reaper tech.  Fighting to the end even at great risk to humanity and/or earth >> goo.

Modifié par Devbo22, 07 avril 2011 - 04:46 .

[Devbo22]

Gentleman Moogle wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

We've spent all of about three minutes talking to Reapers. Give them a chance.

... Oh, HELL no. 

"Give them a chance"?

Anything that gets close enough to "give them a chance" immediately has its mind formatted and installed with "KILL ANYTHING THAT BREATHES" 2.0, the preferred O.S. of Reapers everywhere. 

Tell you what, I'll blow a hole the approximate size of alabama in their core, then sift through any data files that are left. If there's anything worth keeping, I promise to consider not incinerating it maybe sometime in the near future if I get around to it.

I don't know why but this just made me laugh.

[lovgreno]

jamesp81 wrote...

lovgreno wrote...

No, a victory should cost you a lot and it could be a interesting setting for following games. A situation like the Quarians perhaps. Of course those who want a bigger di... I mean a unrealistic galactic empire for their ubermensh may be dissapointed.

If my choice comes down to "Kill the Reapers and live like the Quarians" or "Kill the Reapers and die in a blaze of glory" then it's blaze of glory time.

So you would let a whole race die a horrible death just because living the unglamorous lifestyle of the Quarians would hurt your pride?

In the name of survival we must swallow our pride. The Drell became janitors for the hanar to survive but did they whine about it? No, they accepted the new harsh reality and thanked the hanar for another chance. Shepard is a adult so she/he should be ready to do the same. Kissing the boots of TIMmy, the turian councilour and the batarians if necesary. Sacrifice Earth and the fleet. Give up juvenile dreams of empires and personal glory. Becomming Failberus lapdof (this actualy happened in ME2 by the way). If Shepard can do things like these it would actualy make him/her more heroic in my eyes. But probably not very satisfying if being a bully is the only way you can get a false sense of satisfaction (this was not intended as a insult to anyone, just a general observation).

[omgodzilla]

Arcian wrote...

I go to play Fallout: New Vegas for a couple of hours and this thread just absolutely rocketsleds its way to 24 pages.

What the hell happened? I am confused.

My thoughts exactly. Too bad it went off-topic though =(

[CulturalGeekGirl]

lovgreno wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

lovgreno wrote...

No, a victory should cost you a lot and it could be a interesting setting for following games. A situation like the Quarians perhaps. Of course those who want a bigger di... I mean a unrealistic galactic empire for their ubermensh may be dissapointed.

If my choice comes down to "Kill the Reapers and live like the Quarians" or "Kill the Reapers and die in a blaze of glory" then it's blaze of glory time.

So you would let a whole race die a horrible death just because living the unglamorous lifestyle of the Quarians would hurt your pride?

In the name of survival we must swallow our pride. The Drell became janitors for the hanar to survive but did they whine about it? No, they accepted the new harsh reality and thanked the hanar for another chance. Shepard is a adult so she/he should be ready to do the same. Kissing the boots of TIMmy, the turian councilour and the batarians if necesary. Sacrifice Earth and the fleet. Give up juvenile dreams of empires and personal glory. Becomming Failberus lapdof (this actualy happened in ME2 by the way). If Shepard can do things like these it would actualy make him/her more heroic in my eyes. But probably not very satisfying if being a bully is the only way you can get a false sense of satisfaction (this was not intended as a insult to anyone, just a general observation).

The Quarians live like the Quarians because they have weak immune systems and are overly obsessed with their homeworld. If they'd started colonies as soon as they got pushed out, they'd be two hundred years into a new homeworld by now. They were hesitant to do so because of their immune system problems, and the fact that doing so would amount to having "given up" on reclaiming their homeworld. Also, they were massively unpopular because they unleashed murderous robots into the galaxy.

The Drell weren't even spacefaring when they got rescued, and less than a million were rescued before their planet went dark. So they're also a horse of a different color (that color being green).

If anything, we'd be more like the Krogan - politically marginalized, but just a few successful generations and some clever politics away from reclaiming relevance. Also, unlike the Krogan, we can still breed like rabbits.

If we have a population over a million, we have a fair shot at it, better than the Drell had, anyway.

[Sajuro]

Devbo22 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Devbo22 wrote...

 It's not like we hear about all the awesomeness that was the race of Sovereignity.

We've spent all of about three minutes talking to Reapers. Give them a chance.

So we invite them over for drinks, sit back and laugh the night away? 

get closer in, lowered inhibitions, and embrace eternity with the reapers. Then leave before breakfast the next morning and never call them again.

[Devbo22]

Sajuro wrote...

Devbo22 wrote...
So we invite them over for drinks, sit back and laugh the night away? 

get closer in, lowered inhibitions, and embrace eternity with the reapers. Then leave before breakfast the next morning and never call them again.

Works for me.  Or we can get a couple Ardat-Yakshi and they can do their thing with the Reapers...  Saves earth, gets rid of Reaper threat, and we're all happy.  Well maybe not all of us because it doesn't involve any Batarian killing.

[Gentleman Moogle]

Sajuro wrote...

Devbo22 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Devbo22 wrote...

 It's not like we hear about all the awesomeness that was the race of Sovereignity.

We've spent all of about three minutes talking to Reapers. Give them a chance.

So we invite them over for drinks, sit back and laugh the night away? 

get closer in, lowered inhibitions, and embrace eternity with the reapers. Then leave before breakfast the next morning and never call them again.

Appropriate, as I do plan on giving the Reapers a good f*cking over. 

...

But maybe that's not what you had in mind. 

[Zulu_DFA]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

TAX ALIENS FOR MONEY

As you go into debt with alien powers you'll be forced to give it up.

How can I get in debt with the aliens if I'm going to tax them?

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 07 avril 2011 - 08:37 .

[Zulu_DFA]

ReconTeam wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...
"I'll make humanity stronger by setting back its development 350 years!"

Brilliant!

(and that's not aimed at you, ReconTema, necessarily, but at well, you know who you are.)

I'm wouldn't blow up Earth for the fun of it but I would rather fall back and regroup elsewhere than risk losing the entire fleet in a desperate gamble that could doom the galaxy.

This.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...
"I'll make humanity stronger by setting back its development 350 years!"

Brilliant!

(and that's not aimed at you, ReconTema, necessarily, but at well, you know who you are.)

I'm wouldn't blow up Earth for the fun of it but I would rather fall back and regroup elsewhere than risk losing the entire fleet in a desperate gamble that could doom the galaxy.

This.

This is what I've been saying the whole time.

Also, no goo reaper, not as long as even one of us stands. Better dead than smeg.

[jamesp81]

ReconTeam wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...
By the time of the next cycle, there won't be any cycle.  Because by then, the only place you will find a Reaper is IN HELL.

Now that is the proper attitude.

I find these very low colony guesstimates difficuilt to believe. So 11+ billion people would willingly jam themselves on earth when their are colonies to inhabit? You think less than 50 million have the guts to live somewhere else?

I'm sticking with my 200+ million figure. Plus these colony numbers are probably less accurate because people would rather remain uncounted and out of sight. No taxes!

I always figured it was an issue of money.  Setting up a new colony is expensive and time consuming.  Humanity's only had about 30 years to colonize stuff.  Maybe you're right, I would've always thought if colonization was really happening and the government was asking for volunteers, that there's a hell of a lot of people who would go just for the curiosity aspect of it.  Hell, I'd volunteer for such a mission.

I'm kind of getting the idea that most of humanity's colonies were initially funded by private concerns, and those concerns probably only recruited enough colonists to run whatever mining or research concern they were interested in.

[jamesp81]

Sajuro wrote...

Devbo22 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Devbo22 wrote...

 It's not like we hear about all the awesomeness that was the race of Sovereignity.

We've spent all of about three minutes talking to Reapers. Give them a chance.

So we invite them over for drinks, sit back and laugh the night away? 

get closer in, lowered inhibitions, and embrace eternity with the reapers. Then leave before breakfast the next morning and never call them again.

As long as we send Morinth to embrace their eternity, I'm good with this plan.

[jamesp81]

Devbo22 wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Devbo22 wrote...
So we invite them over for drinks, sit back and laugh the night away? 

get closer in, lowered inhibitions, and embrace eternity with the reapers. Then leave before breakfast the next morning and never call them again.

Works for me.  Or we can get a couple Ardat-Yakshi and they can do their thing with the Reapers...  Saves earth, gets rid of Reaper threat, and we're all happy.  Well maybe not all of us because it doesn't involve any Batarian killing.

One thing at a time my good man.  After the Reapers are exterminated like the pestilence they are, we can have a good old fashioned Batarian-killing anytime we want.

[Whatever42]

jamesp81 wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...
By the time of the next cycle, there won't be any cycle.  Because by then, the only place you will find a Reaper is IN HELL.

Now that is the proper attitude.

I find these very low colony guesstimates difficuilt to believe. So 11+ billion people would willingly jam themselves on earth when their are colonies to inhabit? You think less than 50 million have the guts to live somewhere else?

I'm sticking with my 200+ million figure. Plus these colony numbers are probably less accurate because people would rather remain uncounted and out of sight. No taxes!

I always figured it was an issue of money.  Setting up a new colony is expensive and time consuming.  Humanity's only had about 30 years to colonize stuff.  Maybe you're right, I would've always thought if colonization was really happening and the government was asking for volunteers, that there's a hell of a lot of people who would go just for the curiosity aspect of it.  Hell, I'd volunteer for such a mission.

I'm kind of getting the idea that most of humanity's colonies were initially funded by private concerns, and those concerns probably only recruited enough colonists to run whatever mining or research concern they were interested in.

200 million is really optimisitc. Just because most worlds don't have population numbers, we can't just assume they have a lot more people than those worlds we do have numbers for.

Not to mention, they are spread out, in dangerous space. How many of those colonies do we lose to the Batarians in the first few years? The Council fleet is probably rebuilding for a while so unless the Batarians take a massive beating as well, they will roll up many of our colony worlds. Maybe the Turians will protect a few of the bigger ones.

So now half of what's left of our species are slaves on some Batarian hellworld. Nice.

Now Renegade Shep's humanity might be able to protect a lot more colony worlds. They could force council action by threatening to destroy the citadel and shut down the relay network. They could threaten to release deadly bioagents. They would take those worlds conquered by the Batarians and turn them into uninhabitable wastelands.

Paragon shep can stand in council chambers and whine to the Turian ambassador.

[Whatever42]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...
"I'll make humanity stronger by setting back its development 350 years!"

Brilliant!

(and that's not aimed at you, ReconTema, necessarily, but at well, you know who you are.)

I'm wouldn't blow up Earth for the fun of it but I would rather fall back and regroup elsewhere than risk losing the entire fleet in a desperate gamble that could doom the galaxy.

This.

This is what I've been saying the whole time.

Also, no goo reaper, not as long as even one of us stands. Better dead than smeg.

Well, after DA2, after everyone meets a bad ending no matter what you do, if ME3 kills off everyone despite all your best efforts, I probably won't be buying any more Bioware games until I find out whether they're heroic fantasy or horror.
 
Fortunately, I can't see Bioware doing a 180 - advertise that the game is all about saving humanity and then just killing everyone to add drama. And all the classic sci-fi they've copied generally has the hero saving Earth, not standing back and watching it burn because its the practical thing to do.

[Zulu_DFA]

I'm willing to take a guess that the Human population of the Alliance controlled extra-solar colonies is around 30 million bodies.

Around 2-3 million of colonist rejects living outside of the Alliance controlled space: Citadel, Omega, mercs, splinter colonies in the Terminus Systems (much of which has been killed by the Collecotors).

The off Earth population in the Solar system approched 5 million.

So yeah, it's probably less than 50 million Humans living off Earth.

But again this has nothing to do with the strenght of the Alliance, which is primarily dependent on the standing forces of the Navy, their technoligical level, and, most importantly, on the number of Eezo and mineal rich star systems controlled by the Systems Alliance.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 07 avril 2011 - 02:07 .

[jamesp81]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...
By the time of the next cycle, there won't be any cycle.  Because by then, the only place you will find a Reaper is IN HELL.

Now that is the proper attitude.

I find these very low colony guesstimates difficuilt to believe. So 11+ billion people would willingly jam themselves on earth when their are colonies to inhabit? You think less than 50 million have the guts to live somewhere else?

I'm sticking with my 200+ million figure. Plus these colony numbers are probably less accurate because people would rather remain uncounted and out of sight. No taxes!

I always figured it was an issue of money.  Setting up a new colony is expensive and time consuming.  Humanity's only had about 30 years to colonize stuff.  Maybe you're right, I would've always thought if colonization was really happening and the government was asking for volunteers, that there's a hell of a lot of people who would go just for the curiosity aspect of it.  Hell, I'd volunteer for such a mission.

I'm kind of getting the idea that most of humanity's colonies were initially funded by private concerns, and those concerns probably only recruited enough colonists to run whatever mining or research concern they were interested in.

200 million is really optimisitc. Just because most worlds don't have population numbers, we can't just assume they have a lot more people than those worlds we do have numbers for.

Not to mention, they are spread out, in dangerous space. How many of those colonies do we lose to the Batarians in the first few years? The Council fleet is probably rebuilding for a while so unless the Batarians take a massive beating as well, they will roll up many of our colony worlds. Maybe the Turians will protect a few of the bigger ones.

So now half of what's left of our species are slaves on some Batarian hellworld. Nice.

Now Renegade Shep's humanity might be able to protect a lot more colony worlds. They could force council action by threatening to destroy the citadel and shut down the relay network. They could threaten to release deadly bioagents. They would take those worlds conquered by the Batarians and turn them into uninhabitable wastelands.

Paragon shep can stand in council chambers and whine to the Turian ambassador.

Hypothetically, if Earth was destroyed.....

I think humanity would be well advised to abandon the Traverse and Terminus colonies immediately.  The best thing to do would be to re-establish a capital at Bekenstein, since attacking that world would require an enemy to sail a whole fleet past the Citadel, which the Turian bastard would not permit for any reason.  Besides that, however, I'd try to hold Eden Prime and Terra Nova as well.

[jamesp81]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...
"I'll make humanity stronger by setting back its development 350 years!"

Brilliant!

(and that's not aimed at you, ReconTema, necessarily, but at well, you know who you are.)

I'm wouldn't blow up Earth for the fun of it but I would rather fall back and regroup elsewhere than risk losing the entire fleet in a desperate gamble that could doom the galaxy.

This.

This is what I've been saying the whole time.

Also, no goo reaper, not as long as even one of us stands. Better dead than smeg.

Well, after DA2, after everyone meets a bad ending no matter what you do, if ME3 kills off everyone despite all your best efforts, I probably won't be buying any more Bioware games until I find out whether they're heroic fantasy or horror.
 
Fortunately, I can't see Bioware doing a 180 - advertise that the game is all about saving humanity and then just killing everyone to add drama. And all the classic sci-fi they've copied generally has the hero saving Earth, not standing back and watching it burn because its the practical thing to do.

As I've mentioned, my solution is simple.  Vote with my wallet.  I'll find out from these very forums if Earth dies before I buy the game.  If it does, I simply won't buy the game.

[Nashiktal]

Even if the Earth is reaped you can always repopulate later. It's not like the human's are going to be the next Quarians, they should still have the colonies with all their manufacturing and resource providing power, and for a time at least humanity will be declared as heroes/scions/martyrs/pickyourbill.

The citadel likes the status quo. As long as humanity doesn't step on too many toes after the reapers, they can enjoy the splendor far longer than the krogans managed to.

[Dave666]

jamesp81 wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...
"I'll make humanity stronger by setting back its development 350 years!"

Brilliant!

(and that's not aimed at you, ReconTema, necessarily, but at well, you know who you are.)

I'm wouldn't blow up Earth for the fun of it but I would rather fall back and regroup elsewhere than risk losing the entire fleet in a desperate gamble that could doom the galaxy.

This.

This is what I've been saying the whole time.

Also, no goo reaper, not as long as even one of us stands. Better dead than smeg.

Well, after DA2, after everyone meets a bad ending no matter what you do, if ME3 kills off everyone despite all your best efforts, I probably won't be buying any more Bioware games until I find out whether they're heroic fantasy or horror.
 
Fortunately, I can't see Bioware doing a 180 - advertise that the game is all about saving humanity and then just killing everyone to add drama. And all the classic sci-fi they've copied generally has the hero saving Earth, not standing back and watching it burn because its the practical thing to do.

As I've mentioned, my solution is simple.  Vote with my wallet.  I'll find out from these very forums if Earth dies before I buy the game.  If it does, I simply won't buy the game.

Same here, but also including if none of the Squaddies return.  I know that my younger brother is buying it so I'll just borrow it from him.  Even if he wasn't I could rent it.  I borrowed ME:2 and wasn't impressed as much as I'd hoped and ended up getting my copy for £10 second hand, so Bioware lost my money there.

[Whatever42]

jamesp81 wrote...
Hypothetically, if Earth was destroyed.....

I think humanity would be well advised to abandon the Traverse and Terminus colonies immediately.  The best thing to do would be to re-establish a capital at Bekenstein, since attacking that world would require an enemy to sail a whole fleet past the Citadel, which the Turian bastard would not permit for any reason.  Besides that, however, I'd try to hold Eden Prime and Terra Nova as well.

Yup, that's probably best. However, first I would release a toxin on those world that was deadly to any species like to colonize it. That way when we were ready to colonize again, the worlds would still be available. We could frequently re-introduce new bio-agents as well, because undoubtedly the Batarians and Salarians would be working to counter us.

Fortunately, we'd still have Cerberus scientists working for humanity, if that traitor Anderson doesn't screw us up too badly.

[Zulu_DFA]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Fortunately, I can't see Bioware doing a 180 - advertise that the game is all about saving humanity and then just killing everyone to add drama. And all the classic sci-fi they've copied generally has the hero saving Earth, not standing back and watching it burn because its the practical thing to do.

I'll repeat myself and say that ME3 will possibly be like that "N7: Batarians Missile Strike" mission on the large scale. The player will have to make a big choice:. For example:

Paragon: go in early and unprepared, sacrificing all of the Alliance fleet and saving some of the earthworms. The Alliance however is crippled and Humanity is at the mercy of the "old trio" (Isn't that what the Paragons always wanted?).

Renegade: take all the time to make all the possible preparations and strike only moments before the Reapers are fully done with Earth. The Alliance takes minimal damage and is back on on its path to galactic dominance in no time, but 11.4 billion of human lives are lost.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 07 avril 2011 - 02:21 .

[Tleining]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

I'll repeat myself and say that ME3 will possibly be like that "N7: Batarians Missile Strike" mission on the large scale. The player will have to make a big choice:. For example:

Paragon: go in early and unprepared, sacrificing all of the Alliance fleet and saving some of the earthworms. The Alliance however is crippled and Humanity is at the mercy of the "old trio" (Isn't that what the Paragons always wanted?).

Renegade: take all the time to make all the possible preparations and strike only moments before the Reapers are fully done with Earth. The Alliance takes minimal damage and is back on on its path to galactic dominance in no time, but 11.4 billion of human lives are lost.

That's not Paragon vs. Renegade but good thinking vs. bad thinking. It was pretty much established, that the whole galaxy will have to work together to defeat the Reapers. So the Preparation should be mandatory.
At least i hope that the Renegade/Paragon Choices will be made along the way, convincing the other species to join the fight.
Paragon Ending would be everyone working together and defeating the Reapers (and singing kumba-ya afterwards), Renegade would be humanity using the Collectors Base and defeating the Reapers alone (humans dominate the galaxy)