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[Sussurus]

jonesd wrote...

Morrigan in her DLC suggests that Flemeth will be an enemy at some point, which is where I'm leaning. My guess is that Flemeth and/or Morrigan make their appearance at the end of DA3 for a cliff hanger to DA4. It's possible they put it all in one game, but that is my guess is:

DA3 = Mage/Templar war in some way
DA4 = Flemeth/Morrigan

Morrigan says she thought she knew her mothers plan, and what she was.. but she was wrong.
That Flemith is even more dangerous than she could have thought..

However given that you as a player can see that Flemith is beyond many powers you could dream.
I'd say an enemy is not what is stated, rather that Morrigan was just as fooled as you were and that scares her.

She does say that change is coming and their are those that will do anything to stop this.
Again though Flemith councils for this change and that you should be ready for it.

[Fast Jimmy]

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[BigEvil]

D.Sharrah wrote...

BigEvil wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Actually...if you have completed all of the side quests in DA:O and DA 2, then you would know that the warden has already defeated one of the forgotten ones (Gaxang the Unbound (sp?)) and that Hawke defeats another (Xenebek (sp?))...so there are only two of the forgotten ones left - Ismaehl (sp?) and "The Formless One". I would not be surprised that if in DA 3 you have the opportunity to battle a third. This may be one of the elements that will help tie all of the games together - but as I have said, it is easy to miss that you have fought them if you do not do all of the side quests.

You're mistaking the Forgotten Ones (part of the Elven pantheon of gods and trapped in the Abyss by Fen'Harel) with the Forsaken Ones (four powerful demons, two of which can be defeated by the Warden and Hawke in DA:O and DA2).

Take a look at this site: http://greywardens.c...ma-of-kirkwall/

There is no reason that the "forsaken ones" as you call can not be "the forgotten ones"...as we know, things in the DA universe are often the same even if referred to by different names in each culture, ie Flemeth.

I know all about the Enigma of Kirkwall, so there's no need to point me to it. Simply put there is nothing in the games so far which lends credence to that theory beyond one scribbled note where a person who we never meet and thus cannot determine the credibility of, confuses the similar names. Unless Bioware actually reveals that the Elven gods are nothing more than powerful demons and spirits of the fade it's a very thin theory.

[XGrlGamerX]

Interesting theory.... I like.

I also agree with some posters on here. Flemeth is probably one of these "Forgotten Ones"... I'm curious to know Morrigan's full powers considering she might be the daughter of one.

[Blacklash93]

D.Sharrah wrote...

BigEvil wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Actually...if you have completed all of the side quests in DA:O and DA 2, then you would know that the warden has already defeated one of the forgotten ones (Gaxang the Unbound (sp?)) and that Hawke defeats another (Xenebek (sp?))...so there are only two of the forgotten ones left - Ismaehl (sp?) and "The Formless One". I would not be surprised that if in DA 3 you have the opportunity to battle a third. This may be one of the elements that will help tie all of the games together - but as I have said, it is easy to miss that you have fought them if you do not do all of the side quests.

You're mistaking the Forgotten Ones (part of the Elven pantheon of gods and trapped in the Abyss by Fen'Harel) with the Forsaken Ones (four powerful demons, two of which can be defeated by the Warden and Hawke in DA:O and DA2).

Take a look at this site: http://greywardens.c...ma-of-kirkwall/

There is no reason that the "forsaken ones" as you call can not be "the forgotten ones"...as we know, things in the DA universe are often the same even if referred to by different names in each culture, ie Flemeth.

There's also no evidence that they're the same. You're making an assumption with little to no backing.

I seriously doubt the Arlathan elves would fear simple spirits above all else, no matter how powerful.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 07 mai 2011 - 01:09 .

[jonesd]

Sussurus wrote...

jonesd wrote...

Morrigan in her DLC suggests that Flemeth will be an enemy at some point, which is where I'm leaning. My guess is that Flemeth and/or Morrigan make their appearance at the end of DA3 for a cliff hanger to DA4. It's possible they put it all in one game, but that is my guess is:

DA3 = Mage/Templar war in some way
DA4 = Flemeth/Morrigan

Morrigan says she thought she knew her mothers plan, and what she was.. but she was wrong.
That Flemith is even more dangerous than she could have thought..

However given that you as a player can see that Flemith is beyond many powers you could dream.
I'd say an enemy is not what is stated, rather that Morrigan was just as fooled as you were and that scares her.

She does say that change is coming and their are those that will do anything to stop this.
Again though Flemith councils for this change and that you should be ready for it.

Hm.. Yeah, but Morrigan says you shouldn't be chasing her, but Flemeth.  Which is what makes me consider her a possible enemy.  Regardless if she is an enemy or not though, I just think a big plot "twist" involving their story will happen.  My guess would be at the end of DA3 and then we experience it in DA4.

[Sussurus]

Yes that something is coming and being set up has me all a tingle.
That Flemith is big, bad and dangerous is increasingly being shown.
If they use DA:2 as a template and it's a X vs Y driven forced narrative thing, Flemith could likely be the Y in the situation.

Morrigan seemed scared and very eager to be away, but echoed Flemith in her dialogue.
Strings are being pulled, new evidence getting shone, but it's still ambiguous as to if Flemith is an enemy.
Or just a very good manipulator setting things in motion that may help in the long term.

[BigEvil]

I think it would be an interesting twist if Flemeth is increasingly looking like an enemy but turns out to be the one trying to stop the real enemy via her string-pulling manipulations. Perhaps she cannot act directly against said mystery enemy without drawing too much attention. But with all the mysteries surrounding Flemeth it's more fun to speculate, it'll actually be a little bit depressing if/when they reveal the truth about her.

[Sussurus]

Yes that's the crux there.
So many theories and many other ways of looking at it, we can all have fun debating.
When it comes down to it though, it's like any hero have a finale and it's like seeing Merlin naked.
The magic just goes and you think.. what about such and such.

However they play her, good, bad or inbetween.
Under playing her content wise will keep the mystery and fun alive longer.

[Cornelius119]

thenemesis77 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I wish they'd keep those supernatural beings as ambiguous myths and legends and focus more on the "human" down to earth issues and conflicts.

And if they are going to bring them in, they should not replace those issues, but complement them.

Thats the one thing I really hate about this game, is they (David) wants to make it about what goes on in the politcal side and down to earth is a sad way to make a rpg, I'am not down with the "days of our lives", soap fest that David likes to write and why does he find that so great......it's not.  You have bland stories and battles and at the end of the game, it's left open. You have great characters but no where to carry them with the story of a soap box, David should have really worked for "day time tv."   Thats the entire reason for Fantasy RPG.......not every day life, man I live that **** every day, I don't play a game for that.   I have to take back that post of him doing any DLC or DA3, eek, it this is the way he would carry the story.

i find the political conflicts to be way more intriguing than when they make it about good vs evil and stuff like that . the story often becomes very black and white, while the mage vs templar conflict made the world more real for me it feels more mature than just good vs evil. and to have the ability to choose in a world that's not black and white is way more fun than having it in a world where the right thing to do is extremly obvious

Modifié par Cornelius119, 18 mai 2011 - 10:57 .

[Cornelius119]

mikx82 wrote...

let's not forget commander shepard and the normandy crew.. for some reason they broke the space-time barrier and appeared in Thedas - so the medieval folks thought they were gods.. the forgotten ones...

the funny thing is that it's not impossible considering that you can see a petrified dragon age ogre in mass effect 2 kasumi stolen memmory

[Lelianas Song]

I suspect that Flemeth is an ancient magister like Architect and Corpheus, because she speaks of regret and "knowing it well". Perhaps she is referreing to the corruption of the Golden City, or her inability to prevent it. She seems to always go out of her way to save the lives of key figures throughout Thedas (Warden & Hawke) I feel she may be a key protagonist who is set on putting things right. Perhaps setting the tone for "The return of the Maker".

I also think Morrigan's child is the hero in DA4 and Sandal is a decendant of ancient dwarves who used magic like the race of dwarves from the "Primeval Thaig" in DA2

Just thinking out loud.

[Lelianas Song]

What if Flemeth is actually Miranda who was left behind after the time-space breach, remember she can live longer than a normal human and displaying biotic powers in Thedas would be considered witchcraft. Sorry, just trying to be funny.